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Chuck33079 · 09-04-2013, 12:13 PM

Dylan, don't take this the wrong way, but I think you'd be better off not responding, regardless of the truth or lackthereof in his claims. Pissing contests between vendors and people on forums tend to end up making things worse for the vendor. I understand the urge to set the record straight and defend your company, but this type of thing usually ends with everybody involved looking bad.

bigaudiofanat · 09-04-2013, 12:27 PM

HAHA!! Whoa... gettin' a little heated there buddy and throwing some pretty substantial accusations around. Let me see if I can address a few of these for you:

So reformulations can't happen? Every product on the market is as good as its gonna get and can never be improved upon, reformulated, or tweaked given advances in chemistry? Wish I would have known... I'm gonna have to leave my job since its completely unnecessary and a waste of time to be the head of product development.

Nothing wrong with reformulations however when people on the forum ask if there is something better that adams offers and they are shot down its pretty poor. Example there was a thread asking about a stronger wheel cleaner and they were told that the wheal cleaner adams offers is strong enough and if needed they could use APC. What happens? Adams comes out with a high strength cleaner a year later.

It is? Perhaps you didn't spend enough time on the forums to understand this, but we never hide the fact that some (very few) products we sell are made outside of the US, but when they are we only work with companies and suppliers that provide working wages, safe working environments, and a standard of living similar to the kind we enjoy here in the US.

Just to document examples - Our aerosol chemicals are made in the US, but have to be pressurized and canned at a facility in Canada. The Flex is made in Germany. Currently clay is sourced out of Japan due to the ITW/CM patent, but that will be addressed very soon.

In China they employ people for sickeningly low money, they work in unsafe conditions, and abuse underage labor.

Can't really say the same about Germany can you? They very much enjoy living standards similar to our own... which is why a flex costs over $300 and a GG 6" can be hand for $100. Its not like the Flex is made out of alien materials unknown to other parts of the world... the labor factor in providing humane conditions is higher and is thus reflected in the price.

We sell USA whenever we can, when no reasonable alternative exists we will not source products from places like China... its a moral commitment just as much or more so than it is economic.

You can be quoted directly on the video of the new cyclo that the reason you stopped selling the PC was because the words made in china appeared on the boxes!

If you can provide that quote I'd love to read it as I believe IF it was true its being taken out of context. The Cyclo factory is literally 20 minutes from our facility and we've attempted to work with them for years now... testing tools as far back as 2008 with our products.

Earlier attempts didn't yield very good results when paired with our products and their pads. If you notice the backing plate system on our Cyclo is different than their stock one, and different than any other Cyclo sold elsewhere. We designed the new polishing system in conjunction with the Cyclo and had them adapt the tool to our plates to get the results we wanted.

3-4 years ago... yep... we weren't seeing the results we wanted from the Cyclo. Things change, our chemicals have changed, the tool has changed... given the fluidity of the technologies available is it strange to expect that my opinion could change?

The first year the flex 3401 was widely sold we weren't fans either - it had reliability issues and we didn't sell it. As the reliability issues were addressed we revisited carrying it and now sell it today b/c its now a tool we can believe in.

Most recently the rupes... I've tested with and continue to work with on a regular basis. We could easily sell it as well, but there are some questions and issues we have about it that make us not able to stand behind it with our usual lifetime tool warranty. I look forward to the next gen rupes and will evaluate it again at that time as a possible addition to our line.

Here you go! I made sure to snip it a few months back in case I ever bring up adams. As you said in this post in the hands of pros however your recommending it to new people instead of a PC

Interesting accusation, and clearly you are misinformed. I'm assuming you're referring to the recent release of our Buttery Wax update and another company timing their release. If you look at the dates we announced ours 3 days before theirs... it had been in testing development long before that (documented) If they did indeed "make" our stuff would they allow us to release it 3 days before them? Hmmmmm.

As I've said MANY times before... we are not and do not relabel anything from anyone. Our blends are all (with the exception of aerosols for VOC reasons) done here in the Denver area to our spec and recipe alone. I even invite you to come on by our warehouse so I can show you in person if you're ever in the area.

Your blends are exactly like your competitors even as junkman has reviewed.

VRT is just like VRP and even compared it many times even the smell is the same. Many other products have been compared as well.

If anyone has purchased the other product please contact me and I'll happily provide a bottle of ours FREE OF CHARGE to test side by side and see that in fact they are different.

I don't think anyone can ever claim to be the best product in every single category for every single situation. For anyone to even assume that would be ignorant.

The "BEST" product for any person is the one that works for them. Menzerna makes some great stuff, so I'm glad to hear it works for you. I have used many of their heavier compounds in the past. Perhaps reserve judgment on ALL products until you've actually tried them. As you stated, you've never even tried our new polishes yet, so how can you definitively say whats better?

You do as with your website anyone who does a VS thread on your forum it's alowed ONLY if adams is better. Anyone showing a better product than adams gets a warning and or ban and the thread is taken down. I've seen it happen many of times

Really? Hmmmm... last I checked his account was still open and his activity showed he was still logging in, just not posting. No one banned him, no one asked him to leave. We simply merged his section with everything else... if you look the content is all still up and unmolested. The links may have been changed or blocked by him, but we never removed or forced anyone out of anywhere. Be pissed if you want, but maybe get all the facts on a situation before assuming anything then spouting off as if you do.

I'm friends with him you warned him not to post anything comparing products to adams and to not argue with the admin's

Nick@Adams · 09-04-2013, 12:28 PM

Understood Chuck, and we will be the last to ever enter into a pissing match.

However, we will always defend ourselves against false claims and accusations when we see them. What we don't want is someone reading a thread or post full of those claims and taking them as fact. That would be more detrimental than us defending our company.

Sorry for me mess in your thread OP.

bigaudiofanat · 09-04-2013, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick@Adams

Are you referring to our products or what we charge in our detailing studio? Please expand on the "rip off" comment if you would.

Replied

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick@Adams

Understood Chuck, and we will be the last to ever enter into a pissing match.

However, we will always defend ourselves against false claims and accusations when we see them. What we don't want is someone reading a thread or post full of those claims and taking them as fact. That would be more detrimental than us defending our company.

Sorry for me mess in your thread OP.

Yes sorry OP anyone from adams please PM me to continue discussing this.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dylan@Adams

Agreed... and I'm going to not even honor his response above with a response out of respect for the OP going forward. Plus, his response pretty much poked more holes in his own arguments than my reply did LOL.

Not necessarily but please contact me if you feel the need to discuss this further.

AdamsPolishes · 09-04-2013, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Dylan, don't take this the wrong way, but I think you'd be better off not responding, regardless of the truth or lackthereof in his claims. Pissing contests between vendors and people on forums tend to end up making things worse for the vendor. I understand the urge to set the record straight and defend your company, but this type of thing usually ends with everybody involved looking bad.

Agreed... and I'm going to not even honor his response above with a response out of respect for the OP going forward. Plus, his response pretty much poked more holes in his own arguments than my reply did LOL.

chii370 · 09-04-2013, 08:49 PM

Honestly It was a bit entertaining, as chuck knows IM usually the one thats starting pissing matches

so its kinda a change of pace having someone else do the dirty work.

Anyway, back on topic. If anyone else knows of a kick *** detailer in the northern virginia area I would be thrilled to hear about it. Because until I find someone thats ether WAY cheaper with negligibly "worse" results, or is a LITTLE cheaper with equal results im sticking with extreme details. He also does military discounting as well FYI. Also while he was here he noticed a scratch the poor girl has on the drivers side skirt and actually spent a good bit of time trying to correct it. But it was too deep and would require wet sanding. I cringed like a MOFO when I saw the price, but honestly I got what I paid for. with the amount of time and effort he put into it, and the results produced I myself would have charged no less than 600 to do the same work personally.

Chuck33079 · 09-04-2013, 08:52 PM

Why not just handle it yourself? It's much cheaper in the long run, and it's a good excuse to hang out in the garage and drink beer all weekend.

chii370 · 09-04-2013, 09:03 PM

I work on cars, but I have no idea how to run a ROB so I run a huge risk of doing more damage than good. Just like putting on the clear bra myself, some things turn out to be a very humbling experience that makes you appreciate why some people can call themselves "professional detailers" because its not something you can just watch a youtube video about and just do it perfectly. It takes practice, and im not practicing on my $50K car.

If it were that easy to get chicago auto show room floor results on my car believe me I would. But really, my times also valuable to me. Its bad enough that I spend on average 2.5 hours each weekend cleaning the car...... I dont want to add to that. So me spending 5-6 hundred every year or so really isnt a big deal to me.

oh also...... I live in the shittiest, most expensive, overcrowded place in the US. WASH DC. so my "garage" as you put it is more like...... a large closet. In which I had to develop some crazy contortionist skills to get in and out of the car when parked.

Chuck33079 · 09-04-2013, 09:05 PM

It's almost impossible to damage your car with a Porter Cable without dropping the damn thing on the hood.

chii370 · 09-04-2013, 09:07 PM

ok, then the only other excuse I can really come up with is "IM LAZY AS ****" :P

Chuck33079 · 09-04-2013, 09:08 PM

You should have lead with that. You can't debate against that.

It is kinda fun, though. A lot easier than you would expect.

chii370 · 09-06-2013, 03:42 PM

havent gotten a chance to shine it, its got "parked in the garage dust" all over it but it still looks pretty good. my **** phone camera doesnt do it justice to show that there is no spider webbing or swirls anymore.

Junkman2008 · 09-08-2013, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dylan@Adams

... Really? Hmmmm... last I checked his account was still open and his activity showed he was still logging in, just not posting. No one banned him, no one asked him to leave. We simply merged his section with everything else... if you look the content is all still up and unmolested. The links may have been changed or blocked by him, but we never removed or forced anyone out of anywhere. Be pissed if you want, but maybe get all the facts on a situation before assuming anything then spouting off as if you do.

Allow me to help "get the facts" straight concerning ME. I'm tired of seeing post like this, acting as if everything is just peachy with me and the company you represent. First off, NONE of my videos work on that forums because I deleted them all or made them private. Every picture that I have ever posted concerning any how to writeup is gone now because I have changed the domain name to my business, and I now host my pictures another way. Thus, all of my writeup's are now useless and I don't plan to fix them. I won't even go into any detail as to why I quit associating with the company you represent or the company forum because YOU and I BOTH know the reason. So these post about nothing happened need to quit. I haven't logged on over there since I don't know when and the only reason I would is to answer a PM that someone has sent me.

So instead of jumping down bigaudiofanat's throat (who happens to be a supporting member here), take what he has posted as constructive criticism. He is not the only one who feels that way and I would have never responded had you not came off as being all high and mighty with your response concerning ME. Show the forum members here some respect by not insulting their intelligence. They are not ignorant or blind. I'm tired of seeing you acting as if there is nothing behind why I quit associating with the company you represent when you and I CLEARLY know there is and a substantial part of that is YOU.

Chuck33079 · 09-08-2013, 12:12 PM

Damn. Junkman has helped a ton of guys with his videos and insight, myself included, and never asked for a single cent in return. If the guys at Adams ****** him over, then its a goddamn guarantee ill never purchase anything from them.

See, this is why vendors shouldn't get into pissing contests online. If they had never gotten into the argument, they would have at least one more potential customer than they do now.

AK370Z · 09-09-2013, 06:37 PM

Thanks for everyone's input. I'm going to close this thread and will be doing private investigation/messaging and resolve the tension that I'm seeing.

I am a huge Adams fan. Believe me or not, as I launched the "Detailing section" here on the forum, I myself invited Adams to come here. Why? because I like Adams products. I pretty much have 75% of their product including the detailing cart (which means I DO own 25% of "other" brand). Adams is GREAT place to start and I have recommended to MANY automotive and Z enthusiast. Their products are color coded and very easy to use. Actually ANYONE that came up to me (after seeing my car or in my friend circle), I have 100% recommended Adams because you CAN'T mess up with adams. It's a full system that dummy proof and perfect for beginner. BUT should you stick with Adams forever? Of course not. if you feel that Adams is working slow (as many Adams products are foolproof as many novices start with Adams kit and they MAY need 3-5 more extra passes), you are welcome to slowly move to more aggressive products and we both know what these products are. I personally always felt certain satisfaction and peace of mind using Adams products that I never "felt" with "other" brands. I always felt like "what if" this "other product" is too aggressive, what if this (other stuff) is gonna burn my clearcoat, what if this (other product) is less quality or shiner than Adams -- thoughts like this ALWAYS come to my mind as I use other products.

Matt, aka bigaudiofanat, I know him personally. A really nice guy and probably one of only local forum member that I'm close with. However, that doesn't mean that I'll side with him or anything. I want to hear his point of view and where he is coming from. I agree on some of his points but I disagree with some.

Junk man, you are a GOD given gift to detailing! I will say I have watched every single video of yours and what you've taught me, no one in world can teach that. Till this day, I still follow some of your classic technique and people still go "wow, that was cool". So, for everything you've done for the Detailing world and novices like us, we bow down and thank you

. I do want to get this issue/tension resolved outside public thread/post as it's not helping you or me or Adams.

I'm going to close this here and follow on this privately. Nothing good can come out of publicly attacking each other here. I thank you for your patience.

09-04-2013, 12:13 PM	#16 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29538	Dylan, don't take this the wrong way, but I think you'd be better off not responding, regardless of the truth or lackthereof in his claims. Pissing contests between vendors and people on forums tend to end up making things worse for the vendor. I understand the urge to set the record straight and defend your company, but this type of thing usually ends with everybody involved looking bad. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

09-04-2013, 12:27 PM	#17 (permalink)
bigaudiofanat Car Audio Installer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Magnolia DE Posts: 8,342 Drives: 2012 Infiniti G37x Rep Power: 852	HAHA!! Whoa... gettin' a little heated there buddy and throwing some pretty substantial accusations around. Let me see if I can address a few of these for you: So reformulations can't happen? Every product on the market is as good as its gonna get and can never be improved upon, reformulated, or tweaked given advances in chemistry? Wish I would have known... I'm gonna have to leave my job since its completely unnecessary and a waste of time to be the head of product development. Nothing wrong with reformulations however when people on the forum ask if there is something better that adams offers and they are shot down its pretty poor. Example there was a thread asking about a stronger wheel cleaner and they were told that the wheal cleaner adams offers is strong enough and if needed they could use APC. What happens? Adams comes out with a high strength cleaner a year later. It is? Perhaps you didn't spend enough time on the forums to understand this, but we never hide the fact that some (very few) products we sell are made outside of the US, but when they are we only work with companies and suppliers that provide working wages, safe working environments, and a standard of living similar to the kind we enjoy here in the US. Just to document examples - Our aerosol chemicals are made in the US, but have to be pressurized and canned at a facility in Canada. The Flex is made in Germany. Currently clay is sourced out of Japan due to the ITW/CM patent, but that will be addressed very soon. In China they employ people for sickeningly low money, they work in unsafe conditions, and abuse underage labor. Can't really say the same about Germany can you? They very much enjoy living standards similar to our own... which is why a flex costs over $300 and a GG 6" can be hand for $100. Its not like the Flex is made out of alien materials unknown to other parts of the world... the labor factor in providing humane conditions is higher and is thus reflected in the price. We sell USA whenever we can, when no reasonable alternative exists we will not source products from places like China... its a moral commitment just as much or more so than it is economic. You can be quoted directly on the video of the new cyclo that the reason you stopped selling the PC was because the words made in china appeared on the boxes! If you can provide that quote I'd love to read it as I believe IF it was true its being taken out of context. The Cyclo factory is literally 20 minutes from our facility and we've attempted to work with them for years now... testing tools as far back as 2008 with our products. Earlier attempts didn't yield very good results when paired with our products and their pads. If you notice the backing plate system on our Cyclo is different than their stock one, and different than any other Cyclo sold elsewhere. We designed the new polishing system in conjunction with the Cyclo and had them adapt the tool to our plates to get the results we wanted. 3-4 years ago... yep... we weren't seeing the results we wanted from the Cyclo. Things change, our chemicals have changed, the tool has changed... given the fluidity of the technologies available is it strange to expect that my opinion could change? The first year the flex 3401 was widely sold we weren't fans either - it had reliability issues and we didn't sell it. As the reliability issues were addressed we revisited carrying it and now sell it today b/c its now a tool we can believe in. Most recently the rupes... I've tested with and continue to work with on a regular basis. We could easily sell it as well, but there are some questions and issues we have about it that make us not able to stand behind it with our usual lifetime tool warranty. I look forward to the next gen rupes and will evaluate it again at that time as a possible addition to our line. Here you go! I made sure to snip it a few months back in case I ever bring up adams. As you said in this post in the hands of pros however your recommending it to new people instead of a PC Interesting accusation, and clearly you are misinformed. I'm assuming you're referring to the recent release of our Buttery Wax update and another company timing their release. If you look at the dates we announced ours 3 days before theirs... it had been in testing development long before that (documented) If they did indeed "make" our stuff would they allow us to release it 3 days before them? Hmmmmm. As I've said MANY times before... we are not and do not relabel anything from anyone. Our blends are all (with the exception of aerosols for VOC reasons) done here in the Denver area to our spec and recipe alone. I even invite you to come on by our warehouse so I can show you in person if you're ever in the area. Your blends are exactly like your competitors even as junkman has reviewed. VRT is just like VRP and even compared it many times even the smell is the same. Many other products have been compared as well. If anyone has purchased the other product please contact me and I'll happily provide a bottle of ours FREE OF CHARGE to test side by side and see that in fact they are different. I don't think anyone can ever claim to be the best product in every single category for every single situation. For anyone to even assume that would be ignorant. The "BEST" product for any person is the one that works for them. Menzerna makes some great stuff, so I'm glad to hear it works for you. I have used many of their heavier compounds in the past. Perhaps reserve judgment on ALL products until you've actually tried them. As you stated, you've never even tried our new polishes yet, so how can you definitively say whats better? You do as with your website anyone who does a VS thread on your forum it's alowed ONLY if adams is better. Anyone showing a better product than adams gets a warning and or ban and the thread is taken down. I've seen it happen many of times Really? Hmmmm... last I checked his account was still open and his activity showed he was still logging in, just not posting. No one banned him, no one asked him to leave. We simply merged his section with everything else... if you look the content is all still up and unmolested. The links may have been changed or blocked by him, but we never removed or forced anyone out of anywhere. Be pissed if you want, but maybe get all the facts on a situation before assuming anything then spouting off as if you do. I'm friends with him you warned him not to post anything comparing products to adams and to not argue with the admin's __________________ Need help with car audio or electronics? Let me know!! Need Help Let Me Know Direct email address reimermatt@gmail.com Owner of: Dynamic Mobile Audio Follow me below https://www.facebook.com/Dynamicmobileaudio/ Last edited by bigaudiofanat; 09-04-2013 at 12:31 PM.

09-04-2013, 12:28 PM	#18 (permalink)
Nick@Adams The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Indiana Posts: 618 Drives: Chevy Silverado Rep Power: 13	Understood Chuck, and we will be the last to ever enter into a pissing match. However, we will always defend ourselves against false claims and accusations when we see them. What we don't want is someone reading a thread or post full of those claims and taking them as fact. That would be more detrimental than us defending our company. Sorry for me mess in your thread OP. __________________ Use the code NISSANZ* at checkout to save 10% off your next order* at AdamsPolishes.com facebook.com/adamspolishes \| instagram.com/adamspolishes Toll Free: (866) 965-0400 \| orders@AdamsPolishes.com Last edited by Nick@Adams; 09-04-2013 at 12:31 PM.

09-04-2013, 08:52 PM	#22 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29538	Why not just handle it yourself? It's much cheaper in the long run, and it's a good excuse to hang out in the garage and drink beer all weekend. 2xtreme1 and GSS138 like this. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

09-04-2013, 09:03 PM	#23 (permalink)
chii370 Track Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: . Posts: 642 Drives: . Rep Power: 15	I work on cars, but I have no idea how to run a ROB so I run a huge risk of doing more damage than good. Just like putting on the clear bra myself, some things turn out to be a very humbling experience that makes you appreciate why some people can call themselves "professional detailers" because its not something you can just watch a youtube video about and just do it perfectly. It takes practice, and im not practicing on my $50K car. If it were that easy to get chicago auto show room floor results on my car believe me I would. But really, my times also valuable to me. Its bad enough that I spend on average 2.5 hours each weekend cleaning the car...... I dont want to add to that. So me spending 5-6 hundred every year or so really isnt a big deal to me. oh also...... I live in the shittiest, most expensive, overcrowded place in the US. WASH DC. so my "garage" as you put it is more like...... a large closet. In which I had to develop some crazy contortionist skills to get in and out of the car when parked. Last edited by chii370; 09-04-2013 at 09:05 PM.

09-04-2013, 08:49 PM	#21 (permalink)
chii370 Track Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: . Posts: 642 Drives: . Rep Power: 15	Honestly It was a bit entertaining, as chuck knows IM usually the one thats starting pissing matches so its kinda a change of pace having someone else do the dirty work. Anyway, back on topic. If anyone else knows of a kick *** detailer in the northern virginia area I would be thrilled to hear about it. Because until I find someone thats ether WAY cheaper with negligibly "worse" results, or is a LITTLE cheaper with equal results im sticking with extreme details. He also does military discounting as well FYI. Also while he was here he noticed a scratch the poor girl has on the drivers side skirt and actually spent a good bit of time trying to correct it. But it was too deep and would require wet sanding. I cringed like a MOFO when I saw the price, but honestly I got what I paid for. with the amount of time and effort he put into it, and the results produced I myself would have charged no less than 600 to do the same work personally.

09-04-2013, 09:05 PM	#24 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29538	It's almost impossible to damage your car with a Porter Cable without dropping the damn thing on the hood. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

09-04-2013, 09:07 PM	#25 (permalink)
chii370 Track Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: . Posts: 642 Drives: . Rep Power: 15	ok, then the only other excuse I can really come up with is "IM LAZY AS ****" :P

09-04-2013, 09:08 PM	#26 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29538	You should have lead with that. You can't debate against that. It is kinda fun, though. A lot easier than you would expect. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

09-08-2013, 12:12 PM	#29 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29538	Damn. Junkman has helped a ton of guys with his videos and insight, myself included, and never asked for a single cent in return. If the guys at Adams ****** him over, then its a goddamn guarantee ill never purchase anything from them. See, this is why vendors shouldn't get into pissing contests online. If they had never gotten into the argument, they would have at least one more potential customer than they do now. bigaudiofanat, Junkman2008, falconfixer and 1 others like this. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

09-09-2013, 06:37 PM	#30 (permalink)
AK370Z Administrator Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NJ Posts: 9,930 Drives: 09 370Z MB Sports M6 Rep Power: 10	Thanks for everyone's input. I'm going to close this thread and will be doing private investigation/messaging and resolve the tension that I'm seeing. I am a huge Adams fan. Believe me or not, as I launched the "Detailing section" here on the forum, I myself invited Adams to come here. Why? because I like Adams products. I pretty much have 75% of their product including the detailing cart (which means I DO own 25% of "other" brand). Adams is GREAT place to start and I have recommended to MANY automotive and Z enthusiast. Their products are color coded and very easy to use. Actually ANYONE that came up to me (after seeing my car or in my friend circle), I have 100% recommended Adams because you CAN'T mess up with adams. It's a full system that dummy proof and perfect for beginner. BUT should you stick with Adams forever? Of course not. if you feel that Adams is working slow (as many Adams products are foolproof as many novices start with Adams kit and they MAY need 3-5 more extra passes), you are welcome to slowly move to more aggressive products and we both know what these products are. I personally always felt certain satisfaction and peace of mind using Adams products that I never "felt" with "other" brands. I always felt like "what if" this "other product" is too aggressive, what if this (other stuff) is gonna burn my clearcoat, what if this (other product) is less quality or shiner than Adams -- thoughts like this ALWAYS come to my mind as I use other products. Matt, aka bigaudiofanat, I know him personally. A really nice guy and probably one of only local forum member that I'm close with. However, that doesn't mean that I'll side with him or anything. I want to hear his point of view and where he is coming from. I agree on some of his points but I disagree with some. Junk man, you are a GOD given gift to detailing! I will say I have watched every single video of yours and what you've taught me, no one in world can teach that. Till this day, I still follow some of your classic technique and people still go "wow, that was cool". So, for everything you've done for the Detailing world and novices like us, we bow down and thank you . I do want to get this issue/tension resolved outside public thread/post as it's not helping you or me or Adams. I'm going to close this here and follow on this privately. Nothing good can come out of publicly attacking each other here. I thank you for your patience. 2xtreme1 likes this. __________________ The370Z Signature Pictures ll Want to rock our forum decals on your car? Then click here! ll How to Embed YouTube Videos In a Post STOP! (Hammertime) ll Become a Premium Member Click HERE ll F.A.Q. Are You a Nissan Dealer? Click Here to Become A "Supporting Dealer" and Start Listing Your 370Zs In Our Inventory Section My Monterey Blue Z ll My Exhaust --> My Intake --> G3 Nissan's Official Response Regarding Oil Temp Issue: CLICK HERE Need a Set of Cheap Winter wheels /Tires? Then Visit The Banner Link Below and Place Your Order. You'll Help Keep The370Z Alive.

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