Brake Project and Interest: AP Racing CP9668/9660 Kit

Rusty · 07-16-2021, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkJak

Hats and brackets finally came in today! (when you pay for cheap Fedex....)

Just waiting on caliper bracket bolts before I test mount them. And then pads before my next track day.

Am currently running R10 rears, with a spare set of R8. I am thinking either sticking with R12 front or trying out the endurance R14 pads and bumping down to R8 rears again.

Potentially trying out now pad compounds.

DarkJak · 07-16-2021, 12:39 PM

Starting to compile pad compounds. I went ahead and ordered Gloc R12 for now to make sure I can test next month.

Out of curiosity, what else would people like to run? I can put together compound combos that I think would work well as a starting point.

Brand------Shape/Part number----Est Price
Pagid--------1539-----------------------$550
PFC----------CP3558D54----------------$350
Ferodo-----------------------------------$600
GLoc--------GPX14----------------------$350
Hawk------- HB109U.980---------------$425

Hotrodz · 07-16-2021, 01:20 PM

Okay so as with many things one company make products for various other companies or subsidiaries. Porterfield makes brakes for Raybestos, Hawk, Pagid, Setrab, Tilton, Wildwood, Brembo, Stoptech, XRP, DEI, Motul and Redline. I only mentioned all of those because if you are NASA member you can get a 20% discount on Porterfield, Rabestos and PFC 10%, Hawk 15% and Pagid 5%. Porterfield and Rabestos are popular brands not on your list.

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FL 4Motion · 07-20-2021, 03:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkJak

Starting to compile pad compounds. I went ahead and ordered Gloc R12 for now to make sure I can test next month.

Out of curiosity, what else would people like to run? I can put together compound combos that I think would work well as a starting point.

Brand------Shape/Part number----Est Price
Pagid--------1539-----------------------$550
PFC----------CP3558D54----------------$350
Ferodo-----------------------------------$600
GLoc--------GPX14----------------------$350
Hawk------- HB109U.980---------------$425

Just for reference, we run ferodo dsuno’s front, ds 2500’s rear. Been very pleased with this setup, iirc, the dsuno’s have been superseded now with a newer compound. Much better setup compared to carbotech pads used on the z with oem nismo brakes. To be fair, the carbotechs were xp10/8 combo and the dsuno’s iirc are more comparable to a xp16/20.

Long story short, I’m a fan of ferodo pads.

thekinn · 07-20-2021, 12:09 PM

Every Pagid pad that I've used on front or rear has chunked off into pieces. They can't take the heat (no ducting for me). (RS29, RS19, RS2-4)

I'd have to look up your model #'s for the Hawk and PFC to be sure of the compounds.. but I've had great success with those brands. DTC-60 front and PFC-01 rear respectively (they don't make the PFC-01 any longer.. unfortunately)

I'll be trying a different Ferodo this weekend (1.11 i think). The first Ferodo (ds2500) held up to the heat, but didn't perform to my liking (as a rear pad).

DarkJak · 07-20-2021, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by thekinn

Every Pagid pad that I've used on front or rear has chunked off into pieces. They can't take the heat (no ducting for me). (RS29, RS19, RS2-4)

I'd have to look up your model #'s for the Hawk and PFC to be sure of the compounds.. but I've had great success with those brands. DTC-60 front and PFC-01 rear respectively (they don't make the PFC-01 any longer.. unfortunately)

I'll be trying a different Ferodo this weekend (1.11 i think). The first Ferodo (ds2500) held up to the heat, but didn't perform to my liking (as a rear pad).

I've been considering switching to Ferodo in the future just from the good things I've heard on longevity from other forums too. What was lacking with the DS2500 on the rear? Too low friction, too low operating temps?

As a quick update on the kit, I'm getting caliper bolts in today, to mount the caliper to the brackets. Should be able to test fit this week! This weekend is busy, and I'm still waiting on my R12s to come in, so likely looking at the first week of August for initial street tests.

DarkJak · 07-20-2021, 05:48 PM

Grade 12.9 hardware in! I remembered a friend from autocross also runs 9668s at the track and turns out he has spare pads, so I'll be able to run a test fitment this week. Even before the GLOCs come in.

thekinn · 07-20-2021, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkJak

What was lacking with the DS2500 on the rear? Too low friction, too low operating temps?

Once the pads were warmed up, the friction was too low. Bias shifted to my fronts and was getting lockups in the front (DTC-60s, Dunlop Star Spec III tires). So, I could have adjusted more bias to my fronts (I removed ABS and have a proportioning valve to adjust rear bias).. but I feel like I'm already putting a lot of load on the front.. so I'm trying a different Ferodo compound on the rear. The DS2500's withstood the heat fine.. ie. they didn't crack apart like the Pagids.

Everyone's situation is going to probably be a little different. You may have to try out some different things to match what works for you and your setup.

https://www.ferodoracing.com/product...e-pads/ds2500/

DarkJak · 07-21-2021, 10:28 PM

Test mounted!
Perfect radial offset. The shop mixed up translating a dimension, so I'm getting another set of brackets. made.

There's over a CM gap with my Titan TS5 wheels in 18'" diameter, so room to upgrade to 380 or even 390mm rotors in the future if absolutely necessary (shouldn't be, I have a friend running these with his Camaro SS in 372mm and C6 Z06 in 355mm without temp issues).

Anyone interested in getting this kit, post to let me know! I can get these made in 6061 or 7075 aluminum.

JARblue · 07-22-2021, 06:37 AM

Pricing?

DarkJak · 07-22-2021, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

Pricing?

With making in bulk, I'm aiming for $800 shipped for brackets and hats. This will include the caliper mounting bolts, too. (later orders, done one at a time, would end up $50-100 more)

In addition to that, you will need to buy the following to make it work:
372x34mm AP racing rings - $800
AP Racing 9660 or 9668 calipers - $2000 for 9660 and $2150 for 9668
Bobbins kit - $150
There are two shops to order these from that I found with good pricing and fast shipping. I could stock them first, but would have to reship and add extra cost to you and financial risk to me.

Total cost:
$3900

Pads don't come with the Essex kits with the reasoning that everyone prefers different pads. I do have a Gloc account though and get bundle in Gloc pads if anyone likes running them. (I do, and have R12s on the way)

DarkJak · 07-27-2021, 04:36 PM

Bad news: I got customs fees from Fedex for the calipers incoming from UK.
Good news: It was just $50.

Still waiting on updated brackets and my Gloc pads to arrive.

I'll have these listed on my website 370zed when I'm ready for orders. You can subscribe to updates. For now, the site is still being built.

DarkJak · 07-30-2021, 09:03 PM

I got 2nd draft brackets in today and measurements are good, so I'm working on finalizing the brackets for production next (and coughing up money o_o)

Right now, I can get everything made in 6061 aluminum at the $800 price , but would have to add $100 to have the brackets made in 7075 aluminum. It all feels like overkill, but I myself kind of want 7075 just to know it's that much stiffer and stronger.
Would anyone prefer the lower price point and 6061?
Thanks

EDIT:
Have heard that 7075 may be better for the hats and 6061 for the brackets. Finalizing this over the weekend.

DarkJak · 07-31-2021, 06:40 PM

GLoc pads came in!
These are some THICK boys.
This is next to brand new Akebono pads.

Hotrodz · 07-31-2021, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkJak

GLoc pads came in!

These are some THICK boys.

This is next to brand new Akebono pads.

I have a set for my Stoptech Trophy's and they are the same...thicc boy pads.

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07-16-2021, 12:39 PM	#32 (permalink)
DarkJak A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 1,390 Drives: 2009 370Z Rep Power: 13448	Starting to compile pad compounds. I went ahead and ordered Gloc R12 for now to make sure I can test next month. Out of curiosity, what else would people like to run? I can put together compound combos that I think would work well as a starting point. Brand------Shape/Part number----Est Price Pagid--------1539-----------------------$550 PFC----------CP3558D54----------------$350 Ferodo-----------------------------------$600 GLoc--------GPX14----------------------$350 Hawk------- HB109U.980---------------$425 Rusty likes this. __________________ @stupidtoycars \| My track vids 09 7AT\|MCS 2WNR\|Topgunz Rotrex\|Ecutek (Eugene)\|Maxxis RC1\|Titan-7 TS-5\|OSG LSD\|Rear Mount Derale Oil Cooler (WIP)+25 Trans Cooler\|Fismo\|G-LOC R12/R10\|Zeta III L\|NLR Wing and Splitter\|CJM Pan and Fuel Hat\|Radium Surge Tank\|AP Racing CP9668

07-16-2021, 01:20 PM	#33 (permalink)
Hotrodz Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: NW, AZ Posts: 9,330 Drives: 10 Nissan 370z Nismo Rep Power: 2684384	Okay so as with many things one company make products for various other companies or subsidiaries. Porterfield makes brakes for Raybestos, Hawk, Pagid, Setrab, Tilton, Wildwood, Brembo, Stoptech, XRP, DEI, Motul and Redline. I only mentioned all of those because if you are NASA member you can get a 20% discount on Porterfield, Rabestos and PFC 10%, Hawk 15% and Pagid 5%. Porterfield and Rabestos are popular brands not on your list. Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk FL 4Motion, DarkJak, cv129 and 1 others like this. __________________ *Fast Intentions TT Installed and Tuned by Seb at SpecialtyZ 610whp 560tq:\|Fast Intentions 3" TT-TDX*\|SpecialtyZ/Fast Intentions 72 Row Oil Cooler\|SZ 6 Puck Clutch & Flywheel\|3GsCustoms\|Z1\|Wavetrac\|Hotchkis\|Whiteline \|Blitz\|Fortune Auto 500\|Fujimura\|SPL\|H&R\|TK\|TWM\|RPM Rollbar\|Sparco\|Next Level Performance\|TrackSpec\|AeroFlow Dynamics\|Pioneer\|

07-20-2021, 12:09 PM	#35 (permalink)
thekinn Base Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 205 Drives: 06 350Z LS MT Rep Power: 6861	Every Pagid pad that I've used on front or rear has chunked off into pieces. They can't take the heat (no ducting for me). (RS29, RS19, RS2-4) I'd have to look up your model #'s for the Hawk and PFC to be sure of the compounds.. but I've had great success with those brands. DTC-60 front and PFC-01 rear respectively (they don't make the PFC-01 any longer.. unfortunately) I'll be trying a different Ferodo this weekend (1.11 i think). The first Ferodo (ds2500) held up to the heat, but didn't perform to my liking (as a rear pad). __________________ 06 Enthusiast MT - v2

07-20-2021, 05:48 PM	#37 (permalink)
DarkJak A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 1,390 Drives: 2009 370Z Rep Power: 13448	Grade 12.9 hardware in! I remembered a friend from autocross also runs 9668s at the track and turns out he has spare pads, so I'll be able to run a test fitment this week. Even before the GLOCs come in. FL 4Motion, Rusty, Hotrodz and 1 others like this. __________________ @stupidtoycars \| My track vids 09 7AT\|MCS 2WNR\|Topgunz Rotrex\|Ecutek (Eugene)\|Maxxis RC1\|Titan-7 TS-5\|OSG LSD\|Rear Mount Derale Oil Cooler (WIP)+25 Trans Cooler\|Fismo\|G-LOC R12/R10\|Zeta III L\|NLR Wing and Splitter\|CJM Pan and Fuel Hat\|Radium Surge Tank\|AP Racing CP9668

07-21-2021, 10:28 PM	#39 (permalink)
DarkJak A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 1,390 Drives: 2009 370Z Rep Power: 13448	Test mounted! Perfect radial offset. The shop mixed up translating a dimension, so I'm getting another set of brackets. made. There's over a CM gap with my Titan TS5 wheels in 18'" diameter, so room to upgrade to 380 or even 390mm rotors in the future if absolutely necessary (shouldn't be, I have a friend running these with his Camaro SS in 372mm and C6 Z06 in 355mm without temp issues). Anyone interested in getting this kit, post to let me know! I can get these made in 6061 or 7075 aluminum. FL 4Motion, JARblue, cv129 and 5 others like this. __________________ @stupidtoycars \| My track vids 09 7AT\|MCS 2WNR\|Topgunz Rotrex\|Ecutek (Eugene)\|Maxxis RC1\|Titan-7 TS-5\|OSG LSD\|Rear Mount Derale Oil Cooler (WIP)+25 Trans Cooler\|Fismo\|G-LOC R12/R10\|Zeta III L\|NLR Wing and Splitter\|CJM Pan and Fuel Hat\|Radium Surge Tank\|AP Racing CP9668

07-22-2021, 06:37 AM	#40 (permalink)
JARblue A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Austin, TX Age: 43 Posts: 36,449 Drives: 11 Z34, 98 E36 M3 Rep Power: 2684440	Pricing? Hotrodz likes this. __________________ 2011 370Z 6MT Sport Gun Metallic \| ARC \| CJM \| Ecutek \| FI \| Fujimura \| R2C \| SPL \| Stillen \| TWM \| Z1 \| ZSpeed \|

07-27-2021, 04:36 PM	#42 (permalink)
DarkJak A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 1,390 Drives: 2009 370Z Rep Power: 13448	Bad news: I got customs fees from Fedex for the calipers incoming from UK. Good news: It was just $50. Still waiting on updated brackets and my Gloc pads to arrive. I'll have these listed on my website 370zed when I'm ready for orders. You can subscribe to updates. For now, the site is still being built. FL 4Motion, cv129, Rusty and 1 others like this. __________________ @stupidtoycars \| My track vids 09 7AT\|MCS 2WNR\|Topgunz Rotrex\|Ecutek (Eugene)\|Maxxis RC1\|Titan-7 TS-5\|OSG LSD\|Rear Mount Derale Oil Cooler (WIP)+25 Trans Cooler\|Fismo\|G-LOC R12/R10\|Zeta III L\|NLR Wing and Splitter\|CJM Pan and Fuel Hat\|Radium Surge Tank\|AP Racing CP9668

07-30-2021, 09:03 PM	#43 (permalink)
DarkJak A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 1,390 Drives: 2009 370Z Rep Power: 13448	I got 2nd draft brackets in today and measurements are good, so I'm working on finalizing the brackets for production next (and coughing up money o_o) Right now, I can get everything made in 6061 aluminum at the $800 price , but would have to add $100 to have the brackets made in 7075 aluminum. It all feels like overkill, but I myself kind of want 7075 just to know it's that much stiffer and stronger. Would anyone prefer the lower price point and 6061? Thanks EDIT: Have heard that 7075 may be better for the hats and 6061 for the brackets. Finalizing this over the weekend. FL 4Motion and Rusty like this. __________________ @stupidtoycars \| My track vids 09 7AT\|MCS 2WNR\|Topgunz Rotrex\|Ecutek (Eugene)\|Maxxis RC1\|Titan-7 TS-5\|OSG LSD\|Rear Mount Derale Oil Cooler (WIP)+25 Trans Cooler\|Fismo\|G-LOC R12/R10\|Zeta III L\|NLR Wing and Splitter\|CJM Pan and Fuel Hat\|Radium Surge Tank\|AP Racing CP9668 Last edited by DarkJak; 07-31-2021 at 08:08 AM.

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