Is Moton also AST?

Hotrodz · 05-11-2016, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfkiddio

Stance does well in the super low group, but they also do extremely well in the higher performance driving with their Pro Comp 2's. Another friend of mine just ordered a set, so I will be waiting for his review of them. But I know they do really well in certain time attack cars, with a couple of them being 370's. They also don't drop the car ridiculously low out of the box, and they are fully adjustable.

On the spring location topic, you can specify the spring rates you want to get the ride quality you're looking for. If you want a smooth ride, you can get softer rates and have them valved accordingly.

KW will no longer re-valve the V3's to a different spring rate since everyone was doing that and not buying their Clubsport coils. They would serve you very well, and they would be a great choice.

Yes Stance carries a wide range of coil overs but Pro Comp II are the best for hard core tracking. There are a few on the forum that run them djtodd for one and he really like them.

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Halfkiddio · 05-11-2016, 03:54 PM

There is also a guy who works for Vengence Road Racing that runs them on his car. He was at the Global Time Attack event at Road Atlanta last weekend. I wasn't there to ask him what all he had done to the car, but from the live stream, it sounded and looked good.

Back on topic, Stance would be a good choice over the V3's IMO.

Hotrodz · 05-11-2016, 04:31 PM

djtodd generally competes in that event. He has a build thread and some awesome videos.

cv129 · 05-11-2016, 05:57 PM

I believe inboard spring makes it harder to properly match spring rate to the shock valving, and that's why "true" coil-over-spring setup is preferred. Please feel free to chime in if I'm incorrect.

As far as the rear spring location, there's a discussion in he below thread

Calling all True Coilover rear suspension users

Jhill · 05-11-2016, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by cv129

I believe inboard spring makes it harder to properly match spring rate to the shock valving, and that's why "true" coil-over-spring setup is preferred. Please feel free to chime in if I'm incorrect.

As far as the rear spring location, there's a discussion in he below thread

Calling all True Coilover rear suspension users

Yea I saw that before. It's good to know it can be done but I just don't feel confident about it. It's an expensive car for me and I don't want to be having it disabled while still making payments cause the rear tower got screwed up etc. it's a much simpler design and probably cheaper too so it makes me question why the oem didn't go that route. If you've ever worked in the bizz if there is a cheaper way for a manufacture to do something you can garantee they will do it that way.

Hotrodz · 05-11-2016, 08:12 PM

I am not sure, but I'm lowered about an inch maybe a little more. Here is pic of my Nismo next to a stock one.

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Hotrodz · 05-11-2016, 08:13 PM

Also I know it is not at the top of the highest settings.

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Slartibartfas · 05-11-2016, 09:47 PM

Aragostas for the G37

Halfkiddio · 05-12-2016, 10:01 AM

From what I remember however, the 4100 series had some pretty substantial reliability issues. They have had issues with the shocks leaking after one season, as well as failures in the design department.

Thats off the top of my head and some quick google searching. I know JRZ's will last 4-5 years with no rebuilds needed, as Sharif has a set on his personal GTR that have yet to leak or go soft since he put them on 4 years ago. He also has the older design that doesn't have bump stops or dust boots.

cv129 · 05-12-2016, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfkiddio

I know JRZ's will last 4-5 years with no rebuilds needed,

I politely disagree here. I would refrain from making such general statement.

Amount of time is not the determining factor. The combination of type of usage and amount of miles determine needs for servicing/rebuilding. None of the high end stuff, if really being used, can retain its performance for that long without any servicing.

For the competitive guys, shock rebuilds are part of the game. Oil degrades, shims and seals weaken due to heat and usage, etc, no way around it. However, there have been cases where people don't even feel anything wrong when shock oil had turned into goo. Go figure (not implying sharif).

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Halfkiddio · 05-13-2016, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by cv129

I politely disagree here. I would refrain from making such general statement.

Amount of time is not the determining factor. The combination of type of usage and amount of miles determine needs for servicing/rebuilding. None of the high end stuff, if really being used, can retain its performance for that long without any servicing.

For the competitive guys, shock rebuilds are part of the game. Oil degrades, shims and seals weaken due to heat and usage, etc, no way around it. However, there have been cases where people don't even feel anything wrong when shock oil had turned into goo. Go figure (not implying sharif).

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I will agree with that. I admit that was a general statement based on one person's experience, but I also know JRZ's will last a long amount of time given the abuse they can receive. They can wear out faster, as it all depends on the specific circumstances of a particular car. Motorsports teams that rebuild them every couple events have the money to support that level of maintenance, but they are also making sure the driver can get every .001 out of a lap. For the normal user, you don't need to worry about that thousandth of a second per lap, so you can go longer in between rebuilds/refreshes.

GeauxTigers1 · 05-12-2016, 10:33 PM

I like this, there seems to be competition between the JRZ and AST. Much like FI or AAM! HA, can't go wrong either way. I'll be doing more research soon on comparing the two, but all this info has helped tremendously!

Jhill · 05-13-2016, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by GeauxTigers1

I like this, there seems to be competition between the JRZ and AST. Much like FI or AAM! HA, can't go wrong either way. I'll be doing more research soon on comparing the two, but all this info has helped tremendously!

Yea I'm still torn. Looks fortune can either do a min 1in drop with Oem spring mount or Oem height with true rear coil overs. AST is true rear coil overs and can reach near Oem height, tein can do min drop with Oem spring perch and linear springs so that sounds great yet from what I have gathered they are harsh. I am warming up to the idea of true coil overs which then would probably lean towards AST. I just don't know why a designer would choose to go true coil over vs the Oem design and risk body damage. Just can't seem to have my cake and eat it too.

Oh and vs fi bs Sam I went stillen. Not the most popular but I like it, awsome Oem quiet at cruise and nice not and power at WOT.

Halfkiddio · 05-13-2016, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Jhill

I just don't know why a designer would choose to go true coil over vs the Oem design and risk body damage. Just can't seem to have my cake and eat it too.

A proper company would do a ton of R&D on what happens to the chassis when you switch over to the true type coilover before ever releasing them to the public. If their R&D department can't make a failure happen in 300k miles (random number) of rigorous testing, I personally feel that they are perfectly fine for the end users they are targeting.

The Doran team that used 370's in the Continental Tire Challenge use a true type coilover only. Granted, those cars have a cage, but if Nissan directly is okay with using true type coils on a factory-built car, I have no issues doing it to mine.

Ape Factory · 05-30-2016, 10:41 PM

Sorry for the late reply, I've had them in for a week and a day now. Managed to screw up my rear preload initially and went back and changed them this morning. Made quite a difference in rear compliance.

Absolutely loving them. I used to run Aragostas on my FD3S so they were a bit of a known quantity. Best way I can describe them is it's made the car feel 500 pounds lighter. Body roll and squat have been reduced substantially (I have a G IPL so it has the larger Nismo sway bars) and it feels more neutral than it did prior. Steering is sublimely precise and quickened without feeling nervous in the least.

I felt the stock suspension was actually pretty good but it wasn't always tidy and it had too much body motion. The car always felt it's weight. Not so with the Aragostas. But buy them directly from Japan. You'll save a ton of money.

Also, Aragostas are designed and tested in Japan but made in Holland. They are serviceable in the states by AST which is in California. It's my understanding they use some internal AST parts but many are unique to the brand.

The front damper package is five pounds lighter per side than the OEM package too. The rears, with the OEM location are the same weight.

05-11-2016, 03:54 PM	#2 (permalink)
Halfkiddio Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Knoxville Age: 31 Posts: 250 Drives: 09 RAE 370Z Rep Power: 11	There is also a guy who works for Vengence Road Racing that runs them on his car. He was at the Global Time Attack event at Road Atlanta last weekend. I wasn't there to ask him what all he had done to the car, but from the live stream, it sounded and looked good. Back on topic, Stance would be a good choice over the V3's IMO. DarkJak and Hotrodz like this.

05-11-2016, 04:31 PM	#3 (permalink)
Hotrodz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: NW, AZ Posts: 9,330 Drives: 10 Nissan 370z Nismo Rep Power: 2684385	djtodd generally competes in that event. He has a build thread and some awesome videos. __________________ *Fast Intentions TT Installed and Tuned by Seb at SpecialtyZ 610whp 560tq:\|Fast Intentions 3" TT-TDX*\|SpecialtyZ/Fast Intentions 72 Row Oil Cooler\|SZ 6 Puck Clutch & Flywheel\|3GsCustoms\|Z1\|Wavetrac\|Hotchkis\|Whiteline \|Blitz\|Fortune Auto 500\|Fujimura\|SPL\|H&R\|TK\|TWM\|RPM Rollbar\|Sparco\|Next Level Performance\|TrackSpec\|AeroFlow Dynamics\|Pioneer\|

05-11-2016, 05:57 PM	#4 (permalink)
cv129 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,268 Drives: 09 Nismo, 16 Nismo Rep Power: 163996	I believe inboard spring makes it harder to properly match spring rate to the shock valving, and that's why "true" coil-over-spring setup is preferred. Please feel free to chime in if I'm incorrect. As far as the rear spring location, there's a discussion in he below thread Calling all True Coilover rear suspension users GeauxTigers1 likes this. __________________ Setrab \| RE-71 \| SPL \| JRZ \| Nismo \| ARK \| Whiteline \| RacingBrake \| CJM Oil Pan \| Ti shield

05-11-2016, 08:12 PM	#6 (permalink)
Hotrodz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: NW, AZ Posts: 9,330 Drives: 10 Nissan 370z Nismo Rep Power: 2684385	I am not sure, but I'm lowered about an inch maybe a little more. Here is pic of my Nismo next to a stock one. Sent from my SM-N910P using Tapatalk hjo1078, GeauxTigers1 and cigarclifford like this. __________________ *Fast Intentions TT Installed and Tuned by Seb at SpecialtyZ 610whp 560tq:\|Fast Intentions 3" TT-TDX*\|SpecialtyZ/Fast Intentions 72 Row Oil Cooler\|SZ 6 Puck Clutch & Flywheel\|3GsCustoms\|Z1\|Wavetrac\|Hotchkis\|Whiteline \|Blitz\|Fortune Auto 500\|Fujimura\|SPL\|H&R\|TK\|TWM\|RPM Rollbar\|Sparco\|Next Level Performance\|TrackSpec\|AeroFlow Dynamics\|Pioneer\|

05-11-2016, 08:13 PM	#7 (permalink)
Hotrodz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: NW, AZ Posts: 9,330 Drives: 10 Nissan 370z Nismo Rep Power: 2684385	Also I know it is not at the top of the highest settings. Sent from my SM-N910P using Tapatalk __________________ *Fast Intentions TT Installed and Tuned by Seb at SpecialtyZ 610whp 560tq:\|Fast Intentions 3" TT-TDX*\|SpecialtyZ/Fast Intentions 72 Row Oil Cooler\|SZ 6 Puck Clutch & Flywheel\|3GsCustoms\|Z1\|Wavetrac\|Hotchkis\|Whiteline \|Blitz\|Fortune Auto 500\|Fujimura\|SPL\|H&R\|TK\|TWM\|RPM Rollbar\|Sparco\|Next Level Performance\|TrackSpec\|AeroFlow Dynamics\|Pioneer\|

05-11-2016, 09:47 PM	#8 (permalink)
Slartibartfas Track Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Houston Posts: 551 Drives: 2011 G37S sedan Rep Power: 11	Aragostas for the G37 __________________ 2011 Journey Sport sedan 7AT \| SPL front, SPC rear camber arms \| ARK Grip cat-back \|

05-12-2016, 10:01 AM	#9 (permalink)
Halfkiddio Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Knoxville Age: 31 Posts: 250 Drives: 09 RAE 370Z Rep Power: 11	From what I remember however, the 4100 series had some pretty substantial reliability issues. They have had issues with the shocks leaking after one season, as well as failures in the design department. Thats off the top of my head and some quick google searching. I know JRZ's will last 4-5 years with no rebuilds needed, as Sharif has a set on his personal GTR that have yet to leak or go soft since he put them on 4 years ago. He also has the older design that doesn't have bump stops or dust boots.

05-12-2016, 10:33 PM	#12 (permalink)
GeauxTigers1 Track Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Surprise, Az Posts: 590 Drives: 2017 370Z Nismo Rep Power: 6745	I like this, there seems to be competition between the JRZ and AST. Much like FI or AAM! HA, can't go wrong either way. I'll be doing more research soon on comparing the two, but all this info has helped tremendously! Halfkiddio likes this. __________________ Fast Intentions Kit Stage 2 #076 2017 Twin Turbo 370z Nismo. JMS Built Block, Closed Deck 874whp, 803lbs Tq e85 Ecutek Tune

05-30-2016, 10:41 PM	#15 (permalink)
Ape Factory Base Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: San Antonio Posts: 210 Drives: Audi RS5/QX70S Rep Power: 10	Sorry for the late reply, I've had them in for a week and a day now. Managed to screw up my rear preload initially and went back and changed them this morning. Made quite a difference in rear compliance. Absolutely loving them. I used to run Aragostas on my FD3S so they were a bit of a known quantity. Best way I can describe them is it's made the car feel 500 pounds lighter. Body roll and squat have been reduced substantially (I have a G IPL so it has the larger Nismo sway bars) and it feels more neutral than it did prior. Steering is sublimely precise and quickened without feeling nervous in the least. I felt the stock suspension was actually pretty good but it wasn't always tidy and it had too much body motion. The car always felt it's weight. Not so with the Aragostas. But buy them directly from Japan. You'll save a ton of money. Also, Aragostas are designed and tested in Japan but made in Holland. They are serviceable in the states by AST which is in California. It's my understanding they use some internal AST parts but many are unique to the brand. The front damper package is five pounds lighter per side than the OEM package too. The rears, with the OEM location are the same weight.

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