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HKYStormFront · 02-06-2012, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert_Nash

If things are getting so out of hand that a local club simply can't do a national convention well and/or without huge costs and/or without huge screw-ups at ZCCA then maybe it's time for the conventions and for ZCCA itself to end.

i'm not trying to sound elitist at all but the datsun guys will not let it die. i completely agree but there's too much "old blood" (literally and figuratively) in the ZCCA, imo, and i really don't understand how true Z people can be so closed minded about the idea of change. why be so conformist about the events? i know that bryan (from zdayz) helped will a LOT with the event and even then, it still got screwed up by the people who came in to run it. my impression is that the local club is supposed to set everything up, then the ZCCA reps come in and run it. and while that kind of makes sense to keep some uniformity from year to year, when the entire club falls apart 2 months before the event, there's a problem

Robert_Nash · 02-06-2012, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by HKYStormFront

i'm not trying to sound elitist at all but the datsun guys will not let it die. i completely agree but there's too much "old blood" (literally and figuratively) in the ZCCA, imo, and i really don't understand how true Z people can be so closed minded about the idea of change. why be so conformist about the events? i know that bryan (from zdayz) helped will a LOT with the event and even then, it still got screwed up by the people who came in to run it. my impression is that the local club is supposed to set everything up, then the ZCCA reps come in and run it. and while that kind of makes sense to keep some uniformity from year to year, when the entire club falls apart 2 months before the event, there's a problem

Judging by what I know about how ZCCA operates, I suspect that the club falling apart was a direct result of the pressure of hosting the convention...ZCCA wants someone else to do the work while ZCCA takes the accolades (problems are always blamed on someone/something else).

I'm convinced that if Middle Tennessee had hosted the convention there would be no Middle Tennessee Z Club today.

But you are right; many in the leadership of ZCCA have been there since the beginning...and "change" is not in their vocabulary.

HKYStormFront · 02-06-2012, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert_Nash

Judging by what I know about how ZCCA operates, I suspect that the club falling apart was a direct result of the pressure of hosting the convention...ZCCA wants someone else to do the work while ZCCA takes the accolades (problems are always blamed on someone/something else).

I'm convinced that if Middle Tennessee had hosted the convention there would be no Middle Tennessee Z Club today.

But you are right; many in the leadership of ZCCA have been there since the beginning...and "change" is not in their vocabulary.

yea that's usually true. seems like 9 out of 10 host clubs are usually broken up within a year or two of hosting a ZCON... what does that say about the event?

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