Traction problems?

ChrisSlicks · 10-27-2011, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by 280z/300zx

Our 2010 Camaro SS on the other hand with worse stock tires, more hp, more torque has much better traction. Might be due to the MORE weight and longer wheel base also???

The PZero's are much better in low temps than the Bridgestone's despite both being Summer compounds.

If you have traction control turned on that would be the main reason. The GM traction control in the Camaro is actually pretty good. Turn it off though and the Camaro lays rubber for 100 ft.

As for the OP - Bridgestone's in Maine in November? Should be fun today as that low pressure front moves through and drops and inch of snow. You either won't move, won't stop or won't turn, time for some winter wheels if you are going to keep driving it.

m4a1mustang · 10-26-2011, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 280z/300zx

It's funny, my 370z will flash the traction light at me all the way up into 3rd gear at WOT in the summer here in Vegas (110+ temps). This is both with my current Nismo and my previous touring/sport (essentially both with LSD). I just chalk it up to crappy stock tires. Plan to go to RE-11's at some point or what ever happens to be the best tire at the time. For now I just make sure to watch it when going WOT. Now that it's getting colder the tires definetly don't hook up very well. Still, I find it odd that even in the summer I can breack traction at WOT in 3rd. I'd say it's problem with my car except that it's happend with both 370z's.

Our 2010 Camaro SS on the other hand with worse stock tires, more hp, more torque has much better traction. Might be due to the MORE weight and longer wheel base also???

Would it break traction in 3rd after a hard shift or just when you floor it? A hard shift would explain it for the Z, otherwise I'd say the roads might just be dusty and lack grip overall.

The Camaro likely benefits from the added weight and rearward weight transfer under acceleration. Is it an auto or manual?

280z/300zx · 10-27-2011, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Would it break traction in 3rd after a hard shift or just when you floor it? A hard shift would explain it for the Z, otherwise I'd say the roads might just be dusty and lack grip overall.

The Camaro likely benefits from the added weight and rearward weight transfer under acceleration. Is it an auto or manual?

The Camaro is a 6-speed. The traction control on it is much better compared to the Z but I very rarely see the light on the dash come on. Even with traction control off the car is very easy to launch compared to the Z.

As for the roads here that some one mentioned, they do tend to be a bit bumpy and I would also say dusty (It is Vegas afterall). Doing a quick 2nd-3rd shift will definetly cause traction control to go on but it will continue to flash going up to redline. I've even done a 3rd gear rolling start where it kicks in as well. Perhaps it's the roads here and partially due to the stock tires on the Z. Either way it's one of the worse traction oriented cars I've had. Previously had a C6 Vette and that car was even easier to handle with regards to traction. With the Vette you really had to abuse it to get squirly while traction control was on.

Then again I got spoiled by my previous WRX. That car was an absolute dream when it came to traction; wet or dry.

kenchan · 10-27-2011, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 280z/300zx

Then again I got spoiled by my previous WRX. That car was an absolute dream when it came to traction; wet or dry.

not really. thing understeers pretty badly.

ChrisSlicks · 10-27-2011, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 280z/300zx

The Camaro is a 6-speed. The traction control on it is much better compared to the Z but I very rarely see the light on the dash come on. Even with traction control off the car is very easy to launch compared to the Z.

As for the roads here that some one mentioned, they do tend to be a bit bumpy and I would also say dusty (It is Vegas afterall). Doing a quick 2nd-3rd shift will definetly cause traction control to go on but it will continue to flash going up to redline. I've even done a 3rd gear rolling start where it kicks in as well. Perhaps it's the roads here and partially due to the stock tires on the Z. Either way it's one of the worse traction oriented cars I've had. Previously had a C6 Vette and that car was even easier to handle with regards to traction. With the Vette you really had to abuse it to get squirly while traction control was on.

Then again I got spoiled by my previous WRX. That car was an absolute dream when it came to traction; wet or dry.

On the GM system the traction light doesn't illuminate at the first level of intervention. A bit weird but that's the way they designed it. Given that it is less aggressive at that first level of correction it is also barely detectable. On the other side of the coin the Z's traction control system was designed by Nazi's, "Nein! Sie spinnen nicht! No power for you!". A tiny chirp and you have to wait a painful 3 seconds while the flashing light tells you off and you sit there looking like a fool.

m4a1mustang · 10-27-2011, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

On the GM system the traction light doesn't illuminate at the first level of intervention. A bit weird but that's the way they designed it. Given that it is less aggressive at that first level of correction it is also barely detectable. On the other side of the coin the Z's traction control system was designed by Nazi's, "Nein! Sie spinnen nicht! No power for you!". A tiny chirp and you have to wait a painful 3 seconds while the flashing light tells you off and you sit there looking like a fool.

So true

280z/300zx · 10-27-2011, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

So true

ImportConvert · 10-27-2011, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

On the GM system the traction light doesn't illuminate at the first level of intervention. A bit weird but that's the way they designed it. Given that it is less aggressive at that first level of correction it is also barely detectable. On the other side of the coin the Z's traction control system was designed by Nazi's, "Nein! Sie spinnen nicht! No power for you!". A tiny chirp and you have to wait a painful 3 seconds while the flashing light tells you off and you sit there looking like a fool.

Z06 kicked the rear end out a bit today. Was on less than perfect pavement. I would say that I got it about 10 degrees off track or so. No lights came on, no intervention occured, all nannies on. It only bails you out when you need it. 370Z is not similar?

ChrisSlicks · 10-27-2011, 07:55 PM

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Z06 kicked the rear end out a bit today. Was on less than perfect pavement. I would say that I got it about 10 degrees off track or so. No lights came on, no intervention occured, all nannies on. It only bails you out when you need it. 370Z is not similar?

No, it sucks balls. Get 0.1% of slip or the tiniest bit of wheelspin and it just locks you down like an anchor. So to experience driving it you have to turn it off, which causes the ones lacking talent to crash into the nearest church.

m4a1mustang · 10-27-2011, 06:55 AM

A hard 2-3 shift should light the tires up easily in the Z.

If the SS is an auto that 2-3 shift is going to be slow and smooth.

ImportConvert · 10-27-2011, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

A hard 2-3 shift should light the tires up easily in the Z.

If the SS is an auto that 2-3 shift is going to be slow and smooth.

I just don't understand why. I have NEVER owned a car in the 370Z's power-range that a good 2-3 shift would light them up on. My WS6, my Z06, the ZR1's I drove at Spring Mountain. NOTHING. I do not comprehend

Red__Zed · 10-27-2011, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

I just don't understand why. I have NEVER owned a car in the 370Z's power-range that a good 2-3 shift would light them up on. My WS6, my Z06, the ZR1's I drove at Spring Mountain. NOTHING. I do not comprehend

2-3 will go even in an s2000.

Which leads me to believe....you are granny shifting...

...not double clutching like ya should!

m4a1mustang · 10-27-2011, 09:42 AM

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2-3 will go even in an s2000.

Which leads me to believe....you are granny shifting...

...not double clutching like ya should!

It takes IC 3 years to figure out what car he wants. It only makes sense that he shifts are slowowowow. I bet he's a Rebecca Black fan:

Shifting into fourth gear, shifting into third gear, which gear should I take?

It's redline, redline, shifting gears at redline....

ImportConvert · 10-27-2011, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

It takes IC 3 years to figure out what car he wants. It only makes sense that he shifts are slowowowow. I bet he's a Rebecca Black fan:

Shifting into fourth gear, shifting into third gear, which gear should I take?

It's redline, redline, shifting gears at redline....

I dunno, never had any trouble mashing on mustangs. The 1-2 shift would put me a full car ahead vs. an equally motivated mustang (full bolt-ons and cams or a Cobra, basically) EVERY time. They spun, I hooked. Must not have shifted my old F-body too terribly slow

m4a1mustang · 10-27-2011, 07:08 AM

True, the PZeros are a hell of a tire.

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6964	True, the PZeros are a hell of a tire. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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