Motion Lab Tuned 2010 370z 611WHP/517WTQ @ 10.5psi PTE6266 Q16 Stock block record?

Motion Lab · 10-03-2013, 06:28 PM

Shop: Motion Lab Tuning
Dyno Type: Dynocom FX5000-AWD
Boost: 10.5psi
Fuel: 93OCT
Target AFR: 12:1
SAE Corrections: Default Corrections
Peak HP at RPM: 611whp @ 6850 RPMs
Peak Torque at RPM: 517wtq @ 5650 RPMs
Transmission: Stock 6speed
Gear: 5th
Engine Management: UpRev Osiris tuning suite
Engine/Power Modifications:

VSR PTE6266 Top mount turbo kit
FIC 775cc injectors
DW300 fuel pump
GReddy TI-C Exhaust
Turbosmart BOV
Turbosmart EWG
Manual boost controller
SETRAB oil cooler

This afternoon I am excited to share some more dyno results from our good customer and friend FireDan50. He informed me that this appears to be the current stock block HP record? FireDan has built up an absolutely beautiful 370z over the years he has owned it. It has been a pleasure to work on the car with FireDan since his return to the states early this year. It has grown from 422whp with the Stillen supercharger kit which had a short lifespan unfortunately due to some sort of failure from the Vortech supercharger used in the kit. He was pleased with the performance of the kit, but had some concerns about how satisfied he would be long term with the power potential available from the supercharger set-up. He ended up getting one of the VSR top mounted turbo kits installed and said to hell with the supercharger. We already shared the pump gas results which we saw 496whp at about 8PSI which was also posted on this forum. He wanted to get the most possible out of his current set-up and we began to discuss the wonders that VP Racing fuel can do. We decided to pick up some Q16 and see what she would run. This stuff is so detonation resistant a child could learn to tune on it! Still takes true experience and skill to get the power out of it though

. We saw the car creep up to about 535whp at the same 8PSI of boost that it came in on, but the 6266 is a fairly decent sized turbo and really prefers a little more boost. Out of curiosity we started to inch the boost up. By the time it was all said and done we saw a 611WHP rip at 10.5PSI. This was also where we found the limits of his stock MAF in the 2.5" intercooler piping used with the VSR kit. Being that FireDan50 is still on the stock block, we said we will leave the MAF upgrade and more power for a later date haha. Being leaded and oxygenated however it allowed us to run a leaner AFR and still make smooth reliable power.

Highest run HP/TQ with Boost + AFR Graph:

Dyno video:

Z Nationals update!:
Looks like we will be moving to an AEM TRU-Boost set-up in the future. At the Z Nationals dyno competition he tried to adjust back up to 10.5PSI but only got it up to about 8psi. The adjustment on the cheap prosport boost control seems to be hit or miss.... which isnt ideal. The TRU-Boost will allow us to store two different boost settings in the gauge, and we already have the quick map switching set-up via the UpRev software. Should be a whole heck of a lot easier to make sure hes hitting the right target boost.

He still won highest HP 370z/g37 at Z nationals even at only 8PSI! Congrats Dan!

Let me know if you have any other questions! Follow whats going on at the shop on our Facebook page Motion Lab Tuning - Automotive - Charlotte, NC | Facebook

Thanks for looking!
Alex Goodwin
AlexG@motionlabtuning.com
MotionLabTuning.com - Engineering Performance

Motion Lab · 10-03-2013, 06:29 PM

We have another short video coming soon as well, it is being edited as I type this!

Thanks,
Alex Goodwin
AlexG@motionlabtuning.com

Nut_N_Much · 10-03-2013, 06:34 PM

I love it.. I want a Twin Scroll so bad, but BoostPerformance isn't building them yet. VSR has been getting better on there kit assemblies. When they first started that kit the welds looked rough. The kit is much better than it was! You guy's are awesome getting them tuned just right. I almost drove up there to have mine done by you. Might still do it this winter.. Keep up the awesome work

Motion Lab · 10-03-2013, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nut_N_Much

I love it.. I want a Twin Scroll so bad, but BoostPerformance isn't building them yet. VSR has been getting better on there kit assemblies. When they first started that kit the welds looked rough. The kit is much better than it was! You guy's are awesome getting them tuned just right. I almost drove up there to have mine done by you. Might still do it this winter.. Keep up the awesome work

Thanks a lot man, I appreciate that! We would be happy to help if you decide to make the road trip

.

Yeah the kit looks pretty solid. I think it could use a better intake system. We actually removed the filter for the racegas tuning. Also I think they should upgrade from the ProSport boost controller to something higher quality haha. Otherwise its hard to argue with the results!

Thanks,
Alex Goodwin
AlexG@motionlabtuning.com

Nut_N_Much · 10-03-2013, 06:54 PM

X2

, I got suckered into the ProSport Gauges if the Boost Controller is anything like the gauges anything would be better

.

FireDan50 · 10-03-2013, 07:18 PM

I'm not sure if it's a record or not, but I couldn't find a higher number on here for stock blocks. I know there are guys with built engines that could put down some crazy numbers but maybe they're not as crazy as me with a stock block lol.

Alex, is the torque numbers right that you mentioned up top? The graph looks like it's showing 517 ft-lbs

MyKindaGuise · 10-03-2013, 07:40 PM

Good god those numbers are sweet. I really cant wait to turn up the boost on mine now.

Motion Lab · 10-04-2013, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FireDan50

I'm not sure if it's a record or not, but I couldn't find a higher number on here for stock blocks. I know there are guys with built engines that could put down some crazy numbers but maybe they're not as crazy as me with a stock block lol.

Alex, is the torque numbers right that you mentioned up top? The graph looks like it's showing 517 ft-lbs

Ah damn, thanks Dan I actually forgot to adjust the RPM for the peak power as well. Thanks for the correction bud!

Thanks,
Alex Goodwin
AlexG@motionlabtuning.com

6MT · 10-04-2013, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Motion Lab

Being leaded and oxygenated however it allowed us to run a leaner AFR and still make smooth reliable power.

Pretty cool! Congrats. Reliable is a key word.

Sh0velMan · 10-04-2013, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Motion Lab

Being leaded and oxygenated however it allowed us to run a leaner AFR and still make smooth reliable power.

What I read about Q16 on VP's site is that you actually have to run more fuel than you normally would to maintain a safe AFR.

Being oxygenated doesn't change what AFR is safe, being leaded may, but it'll also foul your O2 sensors and destroy any cats still in the system.

Cool for bragging rights on the forums, but kinda useless @ $16+ a gallon and more likely to destroy your expensive sensors.

They have a few oxygenated unleaded fuels that would have been cool to see, though. Maybe you can try those next time?

Motion Lab · 10-04-2013, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nut_N_Much

X2

, I got suckered into the ProSport Gauges if the Boost Controller is anything like the gauges anything would be better

.

Haha absolutely. A beautiful car like the 370z is deserving of something more along the lines of a DEFI gauge versus ProSports.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MyKindaGuise

Good god those numbers are sweet. I really cant wait to turn up the boost on mine now.

The motors are absolutely incredible. They seem to rival the cast iron 4g63 at power hold capabilities. We have just blown away with every VQ37HR we've tuned. We have some pictures of one that we did a basic rebuild on our facebook/instagram where we got hands on experience with the cylinder heads. The intake camshaft set-up is pretty awesome and it was very cool getting to see how it all works. Overall awesome engineering makes for an awesome motor haha.

Thanks,
Alex Goodwin
AlexG@motionlabtuning.com

Motion Lab · 10-04-2013, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6MT

Pretty cool! Congrats. Reliable is a key word.

Well FireDan50 is a very responsible guy. He understands what he has and the Q16 is just for some fun and maybe a pass down the 1/4mi.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sh0velMan

What I read about Q16 on VP's site is that you actually have to run more fuel than you normally would to maintain a safe AFR.

Being oxygenated doesn't change what AFR is safe, being leaded may, but it'll also foul your O2 sensors and destroy any cats still in the system.

Cool for bragging rights on the forums, but kinda useless @ $16+ a gallon and more likely to destroy your expensive sensors.

They have a few oxygenated unleaded fuels that would have been cool to see, though. Maybe you can try those next time?

We were going to use the MS109 fuel, which we have used TONS of in the past, but opted for the more potent Q16 which has never let us down. It is leaded, but its not going to destroy sensors in a single dyno session. Used sparingly he should have no issues for some time to come.

As for your question/comment regarding the fuel, you can safely run leaner due to the detonation resistance you are correct. It does require roughly %5-%10 more fuel over a basic pump gas when it comes down to picking the right injector for your build if you intend on using an oxygenated race gas. Compare it to the way you can run leaner AFR on E85 thanks to it burning cooler and being more detonation resistant, but it demands 30% more fuel than pump gas. Also be mindful of brand as certain injectors do not like the MTBE oxygenated fuels.

Thanks,
Alex Goodwin
AlexG@motionlabtuning.com

Sh0velMan · 10-04-2013, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Motion Lab

Well FireDan50 is a very responsible guy. He understands what he has and the Q16 is just for some fun and maybe a pass down the 1/4mi.

We were going to use the MS109 fuel, which we have used TONS of in the past, but opted for the more potent Q16 which has never let us down. It is leaded, but its not going to destroy sensors in a single dyno session. Used sparingly he should have no issues for some time to come.

As for your question/comment regarding the fuel, you can safely run leaner due to the detonation resistance you are correct. It does require roughly %5-%10 more fuel over a basic pump gas when it comes down to picking the right injector for your build if you intend on using an oxygenated race gas. Compare it to the way you can run leaner AFR on E85 thanks to it burning cooler and being more detonation resistant, but it demands 30% more fuel than pump gas. Also be mindful of brand as certain injectors do not like the MTBE oxygenated fuels.

Thanks,
Alex Goodwin
AlexG@motionlabtuning.com

Yeah, MS109 is what I was thinking of in my post. Some results on that fuel sometime would be awesome, both Turbo/SC and NA (like with Ecutek).

And I agree, a single dyno session or drag race pass here and there definitely won't kill anything. Problem is you get addicted to that power with all that octane and start running it more and more. :P

Motion Lab · 10-04-2013, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sh0velMan

Yeah, MS109 is what I was thinking of in my post. Some results on that fuel sometime would be awesome, both Turbo/SC and NA (like with Ecutek).

And I agree, a single dyno session or drag race pass here and there definitely won't kill anything. Problem is you get addicted to that power with all that octane and start running it more and more. :P

I would be happy to oblige with some fuel testing next time I get an opportunity. If the car still had OEM cats or HFC then we would have used the MS109.

Also you speak the truth about power. I have sadly reached the point in my career at Motion Lab that anything under 600whp isn't too special anymore haha.

Thanks,
Alex Goodwin
AlexG@motionlabtuning.com

Motion Lab · 10-06-2013, 10:46 AM

Got the video finished up!

Thanks,
Alex Goodwin
AlexG@motionlabtuning.com

10-03-2013, 06:28 PM	#1 (permalink)
Motion Lab A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 2,676 Drives: Nissan 370Z Rep Power: 17	Motion Lab Tuned 2010 370z 611WHP/517WTQ @ 10.5psi PTE6266 Q16 Stock block record? Shop: Motion Lab Tuning Dyno Type: Dynocom FX5000-AWD Boost: 10.5psi Fuel: 93OCT Target AFR: 12:1 SAE Corrections: Default Corrections Peak HP at RPM: 611whp @ 6850 RPMs Peak Torque at RPM: 517wtq @ 5650 RPMs Transmission: Stock 6speed Gear: 5th Engine Management: UpRev Osiris tuning suite Engine/Power Modifications: VSR PTE6266 Top mount turbo kit FIC 775cc injectors DW300 fuel pump GReddy TI-C Exhaust Turbosmart BOV Turbosmart EWG Manual boost controller SETRAB oil cooler This afternoon I am excited to share some more dyno results from our good customer and friend FireDan50. He informed me that this appears to be the current stock block HP record? FireDan has built up an absolutely beautiful 370z over the years he has owned it. It has been a pleasure to work on the car with FireDan since his return to the states early this year. It has grown from 422whp with the Stillen supercharger kit which had a short lifespan unfortunately due to some sort of failure from the Vortech supercharger used in the kit. He was pleased with the performance of the kit, but had some concerns about how satisfied he would be long term with the power potential available from the supercharger set-up. He ended up getting one of the VSR top mounted turbo kits installed and said to hell with the supercharger. We already shared the pump gas results which we saw 496whp at about 8PSI which was also posted on this forum. He wanted to get the most possible out of his current set-up and we began to discuss the wonders that VP Racing fuel can do. We decided to pick up some Q16 and see what she would run. This stuff is so detonation resistant a child could learn to tune on it! Still takes true experience and skill to get the power out of it though. We saw the car creep up to about 535whp at the same 8PSI of boost that it came in on, but the 6266 is a fairly decent sized turbo and really prefers a little more boost. Out of curiosity we started to inch the boost up. By the time it was all said and done we saw a 611WHP rip at 10.5PSI. This was also where we found the limits of his stock MAF in the 2.5" intercooler piping used with the VSR kit. Being that FireDan50 is still on the stock block, we said we will leave the MAF upgrade and more power for a later date haha. Being leaded and oxygenated however it allowed us to run a leaner AFR and still make smooth reliable power. Highest run HP/TQ with Boost + AFR Graph: Dyno video: Z Nationals update!: Looks like we will be moving to an AEM TRU-Boost set-up in the future. At the Z Nationals dyno competition he tried to adjust back up to 10.5PSI but only got it up to about 8psi. The adjustment on the cheap prosport boost control seems to be hit or miss.... which isnt ideal. The TRU-Boost will allow us to store two different boost settings in the gauge, and we already have the quick map switching set-up via the UpRev software. Should be a whole heck of a lot easier to make sure hes hitting the right target boost. He still won highest HP 370z/g37 at Z nationals even at only 8PSI! Congrats Dan! Let me know if you have any other questions! Follow whats going on at the shop on our Facebook page Motion Lab Tuning - Automotive - Charlotte, NC \| Facebook Thanks for looking! Alex Goodwin AlexG@motionlabtuning.com MotionLabTuning.com - Engineering Performance ANMVQ and hjo1078 like this. Last edited by Motion Lab; 10-12-2013 at 11:54 AM.

10-03-2013, 06:34 PM	#3 (permalink)
Nut_N_Much A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Pensacola Florida Posts: 1,696 Drives: Awesome Car Rep Power: 26	I love it.. I want a Twin Scroll so bad, but BoostPerformance isn't building them yet. VSR has been getting better on there kit assemblies. When they first started that kit the welds looked rough. The kit is much better than it was! You guy's are awesome getting them tuned just right. I almost drove up there to have mine done by you. Might still do it this winter.. Keep up the awesome work __________________ Did new cool science stuff to the car !!! http://www.the370z.com/mazoc/99606-z...y-14-17-a.html http://www.the370z.com/diy-section-d...-w-videos.html

10-03-2013, 06:54 PM	#5 (permalink)
Nut_N_Much A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Pensacola Florida Posts: 1,696 Drives: Awesome Car Rep Power: 26	X2 , I got suckered into the ProSport Gauges if the Boost Controller is anything like the gauges anything would be better . Chuck33079 likes this. __________________ Did new cool science stuff to the car !!! http://www.the370z.com/mazoc/99606-z...y-14-17-a.html http://www.the370z.com/diy-section-d...-w-videos.html

10-03-2013, 07:18 PM	#6 (permalink)
FireDan50 Track Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: San Antonio Posts: 714 Drives: '09 370Z PW M6 Rep Power: 19	I'm not sure if it's a record or not, but I couldn't find a higher number on here for stock blocks. I know there are guys with built engines that could put down some crazy numbers but maybe they're not as crazy as me with a stock block lol. Alex, is the torque numbers right that you mentioned up top? The graph looks like it's showing 517 ft-lbs Nut_N_Much likes this. Last edited by FireDan50; 10-03-2013 at 08:37 PM.

10-03-2013, 07:40 PM	#7 (permalink)
MyKindaGuise A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 2,029 Drives: 11' 370z Sprt M6 Rep Power: 19	Good god those numbers are sweet. I really cant wait to turn up the boost on mine now. __________________ \|445whp398tq\| \|BW S259 Turbo\|3" Downpipe\Exhaust\|ID1000\|AeroMotive\|Tial\|EcuTek\|BC BR\|S0-4\|MaffFab\| MKGs-Single-Turbo

10-03-2013, 06:29 PM	#2 (permalink)
Motion Lab A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 2,676 Drives: Nissan 370Z Rep Power: 17	We have another short video coming soon as well, it is being edited as I type this! Thanks, Alex Goodwin AlexG@motionlabtuning.com

10-06-2013, 10:46 AM	#15 (permalink)
Motion Lab A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 2,676 Drives: Nissan 370Z Rep Power: 17	Got the video finished up! Thanks, Alex Goodwin AlexG@motionlabtuning.com

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