awsome cant wait:tiphat:

Will tuners be able to get more performance out of NA cars using this software?

Compared to UpRev that is.

I'd definitely be interested.

:)

For those of us currently Uprev tuned, can we unmarry the license and sell the license and cable? I'd hate to have it just be a $500 paperweight.

Yes.

Good. That makes the switch a lot easier to justify.

Seriously man! I know what you mean

When is the expected roll out of the Full ECUTek package with all the features that are reported to make it better than UpRev?

^this.....

Seems like OP doesn't even want to update his original thread so those jumping in dont have to read tons of pages to find out if the feature they want will be included. :shakes head:

I'm taking the wait and see but if nothing materializes then at least I didn't spend no money.

I dislike half-done software or products with promises of the moon with no end date in tact. For all we know, all these supposed updates could be on the back burner of many tuners business.

(Ex. GTM attempt@GTR manifold lower plenum). It's been years since they said anything about it that ChrusUr already did it. Or VVEL that supposedly is still in the beta phase forever. Only seems like Z1 has success with this..


ECUtek, talks a big game, when will we see dates and a full page of official features. It's like a half-assed grand opening.:ugh2:

Ecutek is not the op. The op is a shop tuning ecutek. I'm with you on wanting updates, but it's important to make the distinction so people don't get turned off of a product due to an experience with the vendor.

Understood Chuck. I'm talking about both the software and the op vendor.

Big promises and supposed features. People want results not promised features with no ETA available or sign of progress.

This release was pre-mature and honestly should not have came out until all the bugs and issues and info was available.


It's basically asking the end user to give up their full tunable feature to take a leap at a software that has no end user use and is totally dependent on a to tuner/shop if any changes need to made without fully knowing what he is getting in to.

Basically a shot in the dart and having a salesman saying trust me we'll get to it after he has your cash your stuck at their timetable mercy.

There has been at least one forum member who took the plunge and he seems to be happy. This is more of an extended beta test than a full rollout. Results will come once all the quirks are worked out. I'm getting impatient too, but it's been great software on other platforms they support.

Of course, but that was on a nearly stock Z/ stock tune, no numbers have been released, and it did not encompass all of the features the ECUTek tune is supposed to have to make it better than UpRev.

I am asking because if it is in fact a better product, I want to see the proof in the pudding before I drop another $600 on a tune/license.

I agree that this thread was posted way too early, but I'm hopeful that all of the features they claim to have actually come to fruition and that this isn't something the community spends years waiting for. The things they can do right now only mirror UpRev. The problem for them is that UpRev has already been at it for 3+ years now with reliable tunes running around. I don't really see ECUTek completely re-inventing the wheel on the same basic parameters that you can tune with UpRev right now. So they are basing their "superiority" over UpRev on features that are not fully available right now. That's where I say stop with the hype, and get the product finished then make threads and setup tunes... demonstrating a direct comparison to UpRev and gains. Then they will have to beat people away with a stick trying to get the best tune possible. :tup:

My only comment is Sam tunes with both of these software but everybody he sell his kits to they have Uprev,must be a reason.

I agree man. I am not trying to bash them at all but the results speak for themselves=NONE. One customer, minimal mods, minimal features. How is it that the software is so much more advanced but it is lacking the basics that is offered by UpRev. Your supposed to match your competitor in ever aspect then offer more to pull in the customers. Haven't seen any dyno sheets or videos which I find disturbing. I would like to take the leap but not 1k for something that doesn't promise anything.

Just so you guys know... VVEL tuning is currently available with the EcuTek software. My tuner said he isn't comfortable messing with it unless it's his own vehicle because of the lack of data out there with the product being so new. You guys can moan about lack of results all you want, but until someone in our community is willing to step up and try it, I don't see how you can blame the software or the tuners :twocents:

Please note that I'm not arguing about anything other than the claims that the EcuTek software only has the same features released as UpRev because that isn't true. There are some features still being developed like map switching and traction control (those are the ones in which I'm interested). I'm waiting on those just like the rest of you...

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I've seen the ECUtek software and had the many (and I mean many) tables explained to me by visconti. Since I currently have the tuner version of Uprev I can say for sure there's a lot more in the ECUtek software.

As far as VVEL tuning goes though, it really shouldn't be up to a 370Z owner to risk their car with no assurances that they will get it back in one piece. Considering the fact this is what many (if not most) of us are waiting for before jumping from Uprev to ECUtek I don't think it's too much to ask for them to make verifying VVEL their number one priority. Hell I'd be willing to offer up my car for testing as long as I know I'll get it back with the motor intact. All I want is a guarantee that if they damage the motor (ie valves crashed into the pistons) that they will fix it at no cost to me.

In the end, once VVEL tuning is being done and more importantly tuners aren't "afraid" to do it I'll be jumping from Uprev to ECUtek.

Are you sure VVEL or VVL? I am pretty sure there was a previous post where the OP made that correction. I think it's pretty easy to not necessarily blame EcuTek for anything but we can ask for results? How do you say what a product can do if you don't have any proof? Obviously they had to try it on a 370z right? So they had a test car? FI has videos and graphs of there results, hell vacuum commercials will show you how their crap works. So something that costs 1,000.00 and has the potential for immediate gains no results could be posted but they want people to dive in? I don't see what the big hush hush is not to mention with a opening for a product to say "Coming Soon".

VVEL is already in there. I've seen the tables myself.

I thought VVEL was a newer, more advanced version of Nissan's older VVL system... are they not completely different (i.e. the Z has VVEL, not VVL)? I found this info:


I don't think anyone is expected to drop 1K on top of their existing tune to benchmark this stuff (note that you CAN sell your UpRev license and cable to recoup some costs). However, I was given a pretty good incentive to be a guinea pig. I expect there are other opportunities out there, although I completely understand wanting a guarantee regarding the motor like Gomer was saying.

Glad to see some people have their heads on right.
Just listen to what V8 and Chris have said. That's like business 101. Proof and no talk. That's all that we need. No talk just proof.
The one person who has ECUtek as was stated is almost a stock Z! C'mon.

Let this thread fade until real results. No one is blaming ECUtek for anything but you're not gonna get praised here for bringing NOTHING new yet.

Until proof is there bottom line no one wants to hear what anyone else "saw" or what they can do on other platforms. We only care about 370/G37. That's it.
Surprised to see the supporters when all it's been is pure talk.

I'm not sure who these supporters are that you speak of. All I see are the tuners (no surprise they're supportive), some people who are excited about the potential of this software, and some people complaining about the lack of results from a beta software :ugh2:

Business requires customers just as much as proven results - which came first, the chicken or the egg? I can't blame the manufacturer's and tuner's attempts to hype up the software because they probably need it. You can't get results without customers, and you can't get customers without results. The car community needs to step up to help get those results out there. I know my tune isn't the best benchmark for many of you (especially the FI crowd), but I did it because I had the opportunity and in the hopes that it can benefit the entire community :tiphat:

I'm not strictly supporting EcuTek at this time, except to say that I am very happy with the initial tune as well as my experience with my tuner. I have zero experience with UpRev, and the results of my initial tune appears to be very comparable to an UpRev tune. However, when they finally release some of the other features (like TCS control) and have more development and data on current features (like VVEL), I predict it will be a no-brainer as to which tune is the best option for the Z. But only time will tell.

Am I an EcuTek homer? Not at all. Am I excited about the potential for the software? You bet. Am I irritated at the impatience many of you are demonstrating? Maybe a little, but I definitely understand it to a certain degree. I guess I just feel that if you are awaiting results before you make your decision, then you should just sit back and wait for results rather than complaining about the lack of them - or jump in yourself and see what EcuTek can do for you. Again, just my :twocents:

Visconti is tuning my FI build in the next few weeks so hopefully that puts a lot of this to rest.

I have awaited results. From ur experience with them the results speak for themselves. Nothing to make me jump ship. Ur gains are decent but nothing greater than what is already out there. The fact they chose you, an almost stock Z to show people what ECUtek can do is a little weird to me. Not sure why they didnt go with a more modded car or FI.

Apparently there's not much they can do still as everything is in BETA mode. They should have there own products ready to go and tested on cars BEFORE all this hype. When you hype something up its cuz ready to go and jus needs marketing.
We the community shouldn't be test guineas at all. They should have everything figured out and done. You know.. Research and development?

Try getting someone who has boost on their car, after all the money they spent to be a test guinea for this company. Just not gonna happen. Maybe in the Honda community but not here when these cars are 20+k. Add in mods and ur lookin at 30k. People with FI even more.

I can understand why ur supporting them, I would too if I got freebies. Don't understand why ur bothered by people that are asking for proof and not promises. Basic principles of business. Wait til you start modding more and then you might understand.

I'm not putting up my boosted G to be a tester. If I was stock like yea then yea sure no problem.

I think they went with a stock/NA Z because 99% of Z owners are sensible and aren't going to boost their car like the rest of us reckless folks :driving:
So they have a bigger market there. It also makes sense as a first mod to get a tune since there are decent gains clearly. Not to mention rev limiter/speed limiter/pedal lag removal/other stuff I cant remember. Plus if they offer lifetime retunes that is a great advantage for new Z owners. Get it tuned and then whenever they get around to mods they can just retune. Just making guess's I have no idea.

Believe me I want to see a boosted Z on Ecutek but no one wants to do it. So allow me to venture into new territory. :roflpuke2:

Good luck! Definitely will be subbed for that!

Just one question, is visconti going to mess with the VVEL? I know from what I have read on here that valve overlap is a limiting factor for those that are FI so I'm just curious if you're going after that also.

First, let's be clear: no one chose me. I chose EcuTek. Dynotronics put a thread out there about wanting a stock Z to mess with (at the time Joe was already working on a track Z - unfortunately, not on the forum) and I jumped at the opportunity and price because let's be honest, there's no need for me to spend $500+ on a tune with my current mods.

All of your points make perfect sense. But some of them work against each other in the real world. EcuTek isn't going to FI a Z and then do all the research on tuning it - they're going to wait until the demand is out there and then work on unlocking previously unavailable features (like VVEL) via software, their specialty. So it then falls to the certified tuners to acquire (whether through a customer or their own car) a FI Z to do full testing and tuning on. EcuTek releases a beta so that people can start testing some features even if others aren't yet available (and likely to help them gauge the public interest). Like you said, "Try getting someone who has boost on their car, after all the money they spent to be a test guinea for this company. Just not gonna happen." Unfortunately, it looks like that's what it's going to take.

People want results. Perfectly reasonable. But a lot of things have to align for them to appear on this forum, and that doesn't appear to be on the fast track to happening. Hopefully, people like MKG can change that :tup:

And this is the internet. When I say something irritates me, its more like this

Not right away. I do want them to but Not until they have a greater feel of the boundaries and limitations. Supposedly VVEL on Ecutek uses different and safer parameters...atleast that's what was posted somewhere in this thread.

Seems like we'll never get VVEL tuning :(

Someone needs to pony up the money and buy a used VQ37 off ebay. They go for cheap...like 2-3k. Then let a shop mess with that.

Like this
09 Nissan 370Z Touring Edition Factory Complete Engine Assembly 39K Z34 VQ37 | eBay

That's not a bad idea :tup: Probably don't need to pay extra for the "Touring Edition" though :icon17:

Haha it was the first I could find that wasnt the awd version. Anyways I've seen them go for $2000 flat already with low miles.

elperuano- the way you are attacking EcuTek about "not havin their product ready" sounds like you think UpRev was full featured and ready to go out of the starting gate. UpRev still updates constantly.

I have no tune experience at all either, which is why im going to lean towards EcuTek, to help the community out. Im not crazy modded, basic bolt on, test pipes, exhaust, and intakes will be on the way shortly. I've PMed Visconti about what tune deals hes going to be doing and when he will be back in my area for it. Just waiting to hear back.
But if necessary I will contemplate a remote tune from Dynotronics. Especially with his guarantee of free tune updates and the such like that. Only thing is then I will not have a dyno graph for proven results. But I am more than willing to 'help out' in these beta phases of this software

I'm not attacking ECUtek at all. Just want proof of what they're claiming like everyone else has stated. If ECUtek can do what they claim it will be a great product.

As far as Uprev goes when they originally released the software they had their eggs in order if I recall from my350 days. More organized and it went smoothly. The knock on then was that it wasn't a complete stand-alone.

I have been sitting here reading this today, and you keep mentioning "proof". Care to expand on what it is you would like to see?

Huh??? I'm assuming ur joking or sumthin. If you have been reading there's plenty of people that asked the same thing. I'm just repeating them basically.

I feel like people are pretty antsy about this product - personally, I'm not sure why. I think once a few more cars get tuned, as well as seeing regular updates to the software, it will become more and more a viable option for tuning. I know I'm sure interested in the FI applications as well as VVEL control. Patience is the key, and let's not get mad at a new tuning product for the Z34 platform. :D

Other than that vvel stuff, right?

I think we'd all like to see some dyno sheets and numbers. I don't really consider that proof per se, but at least it's quantifiable.

We didnt have VVEL tuning on the DE motors.