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These are the features that make ECUTek claim they are better than UpRev, which by your own admission their current suite is no different. So I am asking when will these features that could potentially make them superior be standard with someone walking in with a tune... And that's all I'm asking them for, either a date, or a ball park figure, or a "we don't know yet". :tup: |
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And I didn't say the suite was the same... I said my tune is the same (minus the multiple maps). UpRev doesn't do VVEL, EcuTek does - it's just a matter of getting cars tuned and data out there. If someone told you a specific date, and that date comes around and there aren't any cars tuned with it even though the software is available, my guess is you still wouldn't be satisfied. But like I said, call EcuTek... |
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There has been VVEL work with UpRev as well, and it's been documented on here. :tiphat: So it's nothing new, they may just be farther along. So they haven't actually Done anything to substantiate their claims of superiority yet. A pre-mature thread with future claims of greatness is one thing, when it is what it is. But they say we're good to go Now. But they aren't. There hasn't been anything reliably proven yet that would make anyone want to get theirs vs uprev, or consider switching. I ask because of this fact, and they say/do nothing in response. I know you're not the only person ECUTek tuned, and I'm glad you posted a partial review. That's awesome that they hooked you up. But can you honestly say if you Hadn't got as good of a deal as you did, would you have still chosen ECUTek over UpRev?? I'd be plenty satisfied with a date, because that means anytime After that date, I could call a tuner (which I plan to do) and get information on the cost to go from UpRev to ECUTek, and then have my car Fully tuned with the Full software to take Full advantage of Every feature ECUTek boasts about. Isn't that the point..?? |
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No one has multiple maps with ECUtek. It's not even complete yet. I believe that's what he means. Too much talk of "potential" and no actual proof yet. It's still a waitin game with the ECUtek software for it to be "superior". If u want a e-tune then you can get those all day. Just like u can get e-tunes from uprev all day. The correct way to present ECUtek is to offer people another tuning option that is absolutely NO different than Uprev (except ECUtek is higher priced). When ECUtek has all the other features ready to go then you can claim superiority. |
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I said the multiple maps feature, along with TCS control, is still in the works and not yet ready. Are you really waiting for these two features to get a tune? I doubt it. It's not a waiting game from EcuTek. It's a waiting game from the Z community. Cars need to be tuned first... that's what needs to happen to prove "superiority". EcuTek releasing a few more features obviously isn't going to satisfy many people if the features aren't proven. |
Ok. Jus not making sense. U want people to jump into what? Something that's not even finished yet?? VVEL hasn't been tuned with ECUtek. I believe if u search you'll see it wasn't even worth it. Since u got ECUtek why didnt u try the VVEL tuning with them?
I can get why ur loyal to them but ur argument just sounds confusing. You want people to take a plunge on an unfinished product (which u clearly stated certain features weren't ready yet). That's just not smart at all. The answers are pretty much a repeat. Same answer to simple questions over and over. I'll just wait until everything is actually done. There's no point in asking for a timeframe Also, how many dyno-tunes are out there? I think just 1. |
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Most of the people "sitting on the sidelines" are those who can't really afford to drop 600 on a tune, to have to drop another couple of hundred on another tune, or getting that tune fixed. There's nothing wrong with being cautious about the Tuning side of modding. That's the area I give the most respect to the tuners and let them work their magic. But I want to know it's the best one out there, as would anyone else, yourself included. People aren't waiting for specific features to come out, they're waiting on the Claims that these features make someone superior to be qualified and quantified. UpRev has been out for the 370Z for going on 4 years, and several hundred Z's have been tuned on it. Both boosted and N/A. How many of those have gone wrong due to errors in the tuning software alone? So, UpRev have established a track record of safe, effective tunes. Good for them. ECUTek is coming along and promoting their product (like any good business will do), claiming to be vastly superior to UpRev in every way. OK, cool. Show me how you've reinvented the wheel. You say I wouldn't be pleased even if they showed me their improvements, but you'd be wrong. If they can actually DO everything they say they "will be able to in time" then awesome. I'm all for an ECUTek tune. I'd like to see the improved features as would anyone else, especially the boosted guys. They gave you a good deal, so you support them. Good. You come on here and post your review, and for the small amount of modding you have done, you are pleased. Good. But, where are your dyno runs as well to show the specific gains, and how the ECUTek tune gave you those gains vs if you had gone elsewhere? I did not see them the last time I checked your thread... Everyone knows with this platform you have to do a lot to pull every last HP out of this motor. So that is why it is being criticized so much, if you want to make big claims about superiority, then you had better expect people to go "yeah, right". That's when you drop all of your research and testing, and proof that you've put in the time and effort and have in fact released a better product. Then everyone will be :eek: and throwing their money at you. |
What I took from JARblue was this:
The technology is there with ECUTek but people need to actually tune their cars, changing the VVEL. elperuano - Are you saying that ECUTek should bench mark a Z to show some results? That Would be cool if they did but they shouldn't be obligated. ---- My cliff notes version. |
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That's exactly what they could do. Have the Same Z done by the Same tuner, on the Same Dyno tuned with Uprev, document the improvements. Then reflash it with ECUTek, and tune again. And document the improvements. Apples to Apples. Since you're only talking a software change, it could all be done in a day. |
work getting the way of responding, but I will later...
If you people think I am trying to convince you to jump ship from UpRev, then you're simply not reading my posts. I can't do anything about that. I understand the results are underwhelming at this point and that more is warranted before you do such a thing. But the fact of the matter is you guys are impatient, and it's very clear that you aren't going to be satisfied until there is a lot more data out there... |
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so, elperuano and xwchrisx are you guys saying that if Ecutek proves that they're a better tuning solution than Uprev, you guys will bend over and get your @... tuned?
seriously guys, you're singing the same tune over and over and over..... Drop the drama, accept that there's something new and give this some time to evolve. They have proven themselves in the GT-R world, offering better features than other solutions, and improving. I never heard of boost control, launch control, etc from Uprev. They been playing with VVEL ever since they came out and still playing in beta mode. |
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No, I don't think you're trying to convince anything. :tup: I think you're standing up as a loyal patron who got a really good deal. I'm completely patient. I'm not rushing anything, I just don't wanna be told something that isn't true, just like anyone else. If you didn't have your tune through them, I would assume you would be just as hesitant to jump on board an unproven software suite. There's nothing wrong with asking for more proven usage and documented improvements. That's something the community as a whole can benefit from. Quote:
Isn't that the point of Marketing as the vendor? Tune normally runs say $700 Vendor says they'll give you an awesome discount to do it: 50% off Vendor is essentially paying you $350 to do it. Problem solved. :tup: |
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If asking a vendor to support claims is drama that should be dropped. Then you'll be stuck with inferior products that never reach full potential because there's no push to improve. If you're happy with mediocre then good on you, but I want the best. I think that alone says the level of your involvement in this discussion. That's all well and good that they have tuned OTHER VEHICLES, but that doesn't say anything about OUR platform. That builds the reputation of the company yes, but is peanuts when you talk about one ECU vs another. If you think the GT-R and the 370Z are the same car with the same concerns then :ugh2: |
I'm not bending over for anything lol. But I damn sure ain't gonna praise someone who's throwing words around and hasn't proved anything yet. I'm not being anyone guinea pig to test this product. I'm pushing almost max hp/tq on my TT set-up. I have no wiggle room to play with to "try" and see if it works. I would never go with anything unproven. Especially at this stage of the game $$$$
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"When can we (as end users) expect to see a FULL release of a completed (Non-Beta version; updates are a given with any SW package so thats a moot point) ECUTek tuning package? "
if your asking about software that is end user editable, I can't answer you. If on the other hand you asking about the software that professional shops use, its already out, and we are using it on customers cars every day. |
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Fact is, with the software we use now to log the cars, 95% of all the power your going to get out of a car, can be done with street tuning, and /or remote tuning. We dial all cars in on drive cycle, then fine tune on the dyno for max output(assuming the customer wants to pay for the dyno time). The ONLY wy to get a well tuned, balanced calibration is with drive cycle tuning |
IMHO I really don't see this debate necessarily being about which product is superior to the other, but about how two people assess risk. Both are looking at facts and making assumptions that support their decision on a which product they want to purchase or put their support behind. Many tech companies today sale products based on platform that has a certain suite of capabilities, but then market what the future possibilities will be. For some jumping in quickly with what they know the product is capable of doing and the hope of the other possibilities is enough, but many others need more data and a track record before they bite. Either way works! The beauty of it all is that we all can to listen and learn as long as we can separate ourselves from the emotion. Just my two cents.
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Chris, just a few responses. I think we're all on the same page here - just different perspectives. Frankly, I think HotrodZ nailed it pretty good :tiphat: |
Hotrodz nailed it.
Just wanna clarify I will be switching once ECUtek is fully complete and when my tuner is fully confident with it. |
I looked at the adjustable parameters here:
EcuTek - Tuneable Parameters And didn't see mention of being able to adjust when the fan comes on or line pressures (I have a 7AT). Are these features included? |
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Any word on flatfoot shifting being available? I know it was mentioned some time earlier. Also with that, EcuTek create a type of launch control map?
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Cool. Any idea on a timeline perhaps?
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But it is known that not All features of ECUTek's tuning suite is out yet, correct? So when will these last few features come online to tuners? |
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I'm not hating on ECUTek at all, I want to see their product come out, and I want to see good gains so that when I get the $$ set aside, I can go to RTTuning and get mine done. I just don't wanna have to go back multiple times as new features get released cause it's a long trip. :bowrofl: |
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Exactly what I wanted to know as well... The answers are all the same tho.. And it's not even answering the question. I gave up lol. I'll jus wait for my tuner to give me a straight answer. |
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They can also etune you as well. Places like Z1 offer it too, where if you have the cable you hook up your car, drive around and send them the data and they email you a new tune. Do that back and forth and you're set, not as sexy as a dyno tune though.
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based on what we have for the GTR, and the new updates to that suite, and the devotion on the guys in GB to always being on the bleeding edge, I would bet within the next few weeks. But that's a guess on my part, not official. Now, for those of you on the fence with this, let me explain how the file system works; once you get your file done, and the car is calibrated, as racerom and/or base calibration files (the factory updates), your file, for your car is updated here, automatically, and ported out to you via email. Likewise, as you go thru your modifications, and return data to us, your file is recalibrated, and sent out. If there is an update pending, we will let you know, and get that taken care of at that time. Now, this is nothing new to us. We do this with ALL the platforms we calibrate. Its part of the service we provide, and comes with your calibration purchase. Hope that answers your question, and a few others, finally........... |
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What would it take to get EcuTek on here to officially explain what is going on? |
Personally I could care less about multiple maps. I have 5 maps loaded right now with UPREV and I can count on one hand how many times I have changed maps. So kind of worthless ... to me and IMHO.
VVEL and the traction control stuff are bigger deals to me. More timing options as well. All I know is if it is good enough for guys to slap on their 100K GTRs well then by golly, I think my little 35K sled will be alright with it. :tup: |
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