Make it happen people!

Where in Ohio? I'm up in Toledo.

My car was tuned 3 weeks ago with Uprev. Car is NA with full bolt-ons. 327 rwhp and 255 tq in 4th gear on a Mustang MD-AWD-1100-SE dyno.

Just throwing it out there but how about a show me the results and then I'll pay type deal. If the results aren't there then you just take the ECUtek license off the ECU and we load the Uprev back on to it.

Edit: Looks like my ECU (1A33C) isn't available yet.

I'm in Toledo...

Can you swing by Accelerated Performance tomorrow ?

Flash your car back to stock and we'll do a rom dump and have EcuTek add support before the end of the week.

John

I could swing by after work. I'd have to run down to Perrysburg first though to get my Uprev cable and then flash back to stock while I'm there. Probably wouldn't get there until around 6:30-6:45 though. Don't know if this will work or not Shoot me a PM with your number and I can give you a call this morning sometime.

Git-R-Dun!!

I'll be taking my Z to Dynotronics in Texas this weekend in preparation for an EcuTek tune :tup:

I'm probably a year away from buying tuning software so feel free to take this with a grain of salt. I have no idea how good or how bad the EcuTek stuff is but if visconti is any indication of the support I would get I'm scratching it off the list of candidates.

visconti: It's probably unintentional but you come across as a real jackass sometimes (I do too, but I'm not selling anything). Hire somebody else to handle your PR. It sounds like you have a good product but a salesman you ain't.

Sometimes JV comes off as a bit harsh, but don't let that put you off his work, or by extension, EcuTek. John is one of the better tuners in the business, and makes up for his lack of people skills where it counts.

For those of you down here in the south, that want proof the Ecutek SW is the way to go, let me know, and I'll arrange a freebie for someone here at our shop. We have used the up rev suite, and have now added the 370 to our EcuTek arsenal, and from a calibrations standpoint, there is no comparison. And I think you will agree when you drive the cars, back to back.

Wanna tune my turbo Z then? I'm in Houston.

we would be happy too, and look forward to getting up to our hands dirty on the various FI set ups! But I think for a comparison, it might be wise to stick to NA.

But drop me a PM, and we will work something out that might be good for everyone

Where in TX are you?

:)

New Braunfels :tup:

Well, I'd be willing to drive down for this. What better test platform than the **** talker himself? ;)

It'll have to be late May early June though. :(

Maybe someone else with a good UpRev tune already on the car can get down there sooner?

Sure that works for me..

I'll be around all night

haha

Sadly more people care about having their *** kissed nowadays rather than having someone skilled do what they do. It's ridiculous how butt hurt some of the forum members get.

Personally, I find most tuners/experts are somewhat arrogant and self-confident. But that's what I want in a tuner... someone who is fanatical about their work, invested in their product and defensive about detractors!
We can all be a-holes at times and getting butt-hurt happens sometimes. The proof is in the pudding as they say, so let's hold off on the tar and feathering until the tunes have been done to members cars and we see what is really happening!

Me? I'm just excited that there is a new development in the tuning game!

^+1

Interested to see what VVEL control can do for NA.

I agree. There needs to be more competition on this platform.

Can u PM me pricing and requirements to become a pro tuner(dealer). Trying to get my tuner some information!

That for me or JV? We are both master tuners, but its his thread

Don't think it matters.

If they have nothing right now and want to become just a 370Z tuner it's about $2000 for the 370Z Tuning software + EcuTek Cable..

When you purchase the software you'll need to buy $1250 with of programming liceneses.


So $3300

-John

Man I hope this kicks as much @ss as it sounds.

Perhaps "jackass" was not the best word to use (although, according to you and some other posts in this thread, it's probably accurate :icon14:). "Scammer" would probably have been a better word. The way he dodges the questions and dismisses requests for evidence reminds me a lot of HHO proponents and other scammers.

Apparently he is not a scammer (EcuTek gets plenty of good reviews for their other tuning product and I'll take your word for it that he knows what he's doing) but he sure sounds like one to me. I stand by my recommendation to find someone else to handle PR.

Thank you sir

^^Justin keep me posted!

I'm not going to kiss *** or post datalogs of my work.

If anyone wants to see datalogs, they can purchase the tune and have a look for themselves.

Again, if what I've posted isn't enough.. don't buy it.. But there's plenty of people already lined up to get tunes so you can wait to see the results from them.

-John

-John

I like this guy, + rep.

Both of you are Clearly mistaken then if you think people are asking questions to have their "asses kissed". That's just as immature as completely ignoring valid questions posed about your product.

You come on here saying you have a vastly superior product (which you very well might, no one is denying the potential) yet Zero proof to the end user accept your word, and the fact that others are getting in line. That's all well and good for the guy who Hasn't been tuned yet. But as it was stated before, you have competition, UpRev. Who has been in the market already for years and has done several Zs. We are asking as users that have already had tune A, that if tune B is better, and we will most definitely want it, to see proof of HOW it is better before spending the same amount from tune A all over again.

Now again, you say you have a superior product, that is Better than the competition. Yet you will provide zero proof or evidence to support that claim. On top of that, you get an attitude and talk down to members asking for you to post some sort of evidence and comparison. But as of yet, there is nothing. You've posted a gain over a STOCK 370Z. That's nice, but that's not any different than what UpRev gives you. So as it stands right now, you are on a level playing field. There's been nothing proven that shows your product is superior. Again, this is not saying that it may not be, but that as of yet, there is no evidence to substantiate this claim.

If you didn't have the numbers yet, then say so. And people would wait for reviews and build threads. But your advertising it is better, and then blatantly refuse to respond to direct questions paints a bad picture. If the software is good to go to the market, you've obviously Tested it on a Z correct? All of the features you claim you can control would have had to be given a basic quality assurance test on some car before you give it to the people... right? So where is that data? Cause I guarantee you, if you take an UpRev tuned car, and put your software on it, and still make more gains Safely, you'll have people knocking down your door to get it. Instead, you insult the people whom you hope to gain the business of. Not a good way of attracting customers...

So I had the chance to meet Visconti today and talk to him about the ECUtek software along with him showing me the software and what it means for our platform.

First the man. Visconti is actually a nice person regardless of the devil some of us have made him out to be and seems to know his sh!t quite well. He just seems to come across as what people think of when they think of a stereotypical engineer, slightly egotistical and a little on the condescending side. No offense Visconti.

Now the important part, the software. All I can say is wow. First the part that is just "nice" is that many of the tables that we already have in Uprev but use meaningless numbers actually have meaningful values (ie. instead of 32560 it would actually display the "requested torque" value in Newton-Meters).

Next ECUtek stops the ECU from switching between the 7 different timing strategies that it has and instead forces it to use a single timing table therfore providing predictable control of timing while still retaining knock protection.

The promising part is the valve timing and lift tables. From what I got out of Visconti, there is still development left to be done with the VVEL system. Sounded like ECUtek is saving this for last in the event that they accidently crash the valves into the pistons and have to rebuild the motor.

Now what makes ECUtek far superior to UpRev (atleast IMO):
There are user definable tables that are available for extra things. It also allows for new sensors to be swapped in place of other "unnecessary" (emissions, etc.) sensors. The same can be done with output type devices. This would obviously benefit the FI guys more than us NA guys but it's still impressive.

A few examples would be adding an ethanol/gas ratio sensor and then adjusting boost pressure based on ethanol content. Also no lift to shift could easily be accomplished by just creating custom tables and then triggering a table to alter the necessary engine settings. Another possibility is an ECU based boost controller. The possibilities are endless in my opinion.

The real key to all this custom functionality is the tuner as I would liken this more to computer programming than just changing table entries.

fwiw I didn't get tuned as ECUtek doesn't support my ECU yet so don't bother asking if I got any gains from just going to ECUtek.

If I got anything wrong Visconti just let me know and I can edit the post.

tl;dr

Readers Digest Version:

1. No one wants their asses kissed.
2. It's not wrong to question vendors products.
3. Don't be a dick when your product is questioned by the very people whose business you want.


:tiphat:

One more thing Visconti pointed out as far as Uprev vs ECUtek comparisons go is that to have a true apples to apples comparison the same tuner would have to tune using Uprev and then tune using ECUtek since not all tuners are equal.

I stopped listening a while ago. Since there are folks out there looking to make a move on this product, I just hope that they will actually post on their experience..........

Nobody is expecting (or even asking) you to kiss a$$. All they are asking for if reasonable evidence that your product does what you claim.

I rest my case. Thanks for clarifying that you really are a jackass and not just a poor communicator.

It's just going to take time. Right now there's really not enough vendors running ecutek and apparently it doesn't work on every ECU version that we even have.

This guy can post all the dyno maps he wants but seriously that still won't be enough for most people. It's going to take forum members, who already had uprev, going and testing the waters or a bigger reputable (as in reputable on this particular forum) tuner like Z1 showing differences between the two. It's expensive to do all that and unreasonable to expect anyone to do it but let's be honest - that's really what we're all waiting for.

Dynosheet shows what I claim..

-John

:ugh2:

It's not that it doesn't work. ECUtek just doesn't have all the various Z base maps in their software. From what I can tell, they don't have my 2011 US 6MT yet, but I am going to visit the tuner this weekend where they will get all of the information from my car, send it to ECUtek, who will then update their software (they claim this process generally takes less than a week). After that, the tuner has everything he needs for tuning my Z :tup: And there's always a chance that some other Z in the same category has already given their info to ECUtek, making my car ready for tuning when I show up this weekend. Not getting my hopes up, though. I know this is going to be a process.

Exactly! Excellent points :tup: This $hit is new. The tuners are excited and I haven't seen them claim anything outrageous, so no reason to dog them - they claim gains and they claim they unlock more than UpRev giving potential for more gains. I don't understand how you can get mad at them for saying this stuff. As diddy said, it will take someone spending a bunch of $$$ to satisfy a bunch of you. If you don't want to be a guinea pig, then you'll have to wait for someone to post their experience. Now I'm in the very fortunate position of not having spent a lot of money on an UpRev tune already, and having a nearby tuner for which to be a guinea pig. Those of you with UpRev will either need to be one of the first and see for yourself, or wait for someone else. There are absolutely people that will do this. Just be patient.

My tuner has been familiar with Ecutek for a long time but on other platforms, not Nissans. They are a reputable company that have made good contributions to the industry. I have yet to see any convincing data for our platform, but as stated, it is very new. The single ignition timing map they are offering will be the biggest improvement for NA Z's over UpRev by far. The car will hold the correct ignition timing throughout the entire RPM range without the stock ecu interfering. It will help in FI applications too, but I don't run as much timing FI'd as a NA Z would. My tuner was particularly excited about the fact that someone has finally addressed that issue. The VVEL control would be the next big step. When they finalize that part of the software they will take over the market. As far as traction control, it can be done some what right now w/ UpRev but could be refined, tweaked and made to be moar betta.

They have my 2011 US 6MT sport.

Visconti is coming down to PA this weekend and will hopefully be tuning me while here. So I should hopefully be able to report back with dynos.

Excellent :tiphat: I hope it's the same map :tup: I just talked to the tuner and scheduled for 11 am on Sunday this weekend. He said they've had like 20+ maps uploaded in the past 10 days, so it definitely wouldn't surprise me to find mine included in the support now.