I didn't get this distinction..

If it's true, I'm definitely not interested. I need to be able to make tuning adjustments @ home or @ the track.

From what I understand, UPREV sets targets for the ECM to reach for given perameters. If it were simply table based, there would be no use for the intricate sensor array that comes stock with our beloved vehicle........

I am hoping that this solution is a set forward AND makes use of the existing technology instead of oversimplifying it like it sounds. Please clarify, if possible. Thank you.

He said this when he first announced it awhile ago.

With Uprev you set your targets.

Roger that. I guess I was just stating the obvious.

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What about the ability to dial in the SRM after changing gearing?

Yes it is ;)

VVEL Tuning for all cars..

EcuTek actually has the correct maps in the ecu.

It's very different in the UpRev software.. very wrong.



You can find a list of EcuTek dealers on EcuTek.com

Not all EcuTek dealers will have the 370z software, and not all of them will have Nissan experience.

Right now only a few people have the software.. The list will be growing quickly

What settings do you mean.. for the trq table?

Yes the edit software is only for ProTuners right now, but EcuTek is looking into maybe making a end-user edit version.

The Nissan ECU has closed loop fuel, meaning you set the target A/F for a certain load point and the car will try it's get to reach that target.. This is how the ecu is from the factory, not EcuTek or UpRev thing.

On top of that these ecus have a VERY complex ignition control system which will make it seem the car tunes it selfs or adjusts..

Honestly I think Nissan makes it so confusing to try and prevent people from tuning them.

EcuTek has 100% control over timing, once its set, the car will run the same ignition timing over and over and over.. Well unless the car pulls timing from a Knock Event.


SRM?

SynchroRev Matching - When guys change out their rear diffs it throws the calculations in the engine off and the rev matching will stop working.

2009 Nissan 370Z's SynchroRev Match Explained - Tech Dept. - Car Reviews - Car and Driver

http://www.the370z.com/tuning/66001-...brate-srm.html

http://www.the370z.com/engine-drivet...r-swap-10.html


Just curious. It is something that is controlled by the ECM.

I can look into it..

I'll ask Master Phil what he thinks and get back to you

John

What about the cost part of my question...??


If this is as improved over UpRev as you claim, really interested in seeing the benefits of it.

Ill also add that I would only really be interested if it was available to the end users. And not some limited version.

If the program was available and can do what you say then I am willing to bet you are going to have a lot of business.

Sounds like you may be on to something, but yeah, no-can-do if there's not a FULLY FEATURED end-user version. I'll not be tethered to a "pro tuner". Those shops come and go with the wind and I don't want to pay more money every time a small tuning change is needed. To say nothing of having to trailer the damned car in every time.

I can only imagine the amount of knowledge you need to possess to be a self tuner, and not having it myself I :bowdown: to you guys.

But as an owner looking to do this on my own, is it even possible? Without the experience/know-how?

I'm definitely not skilled like a tuner at say, UpRev (the shop) or Z1 or GTM are. That said, I can keep an AFR within a desired range, adjust timing as needed, tweak rev or speed limits, adjust cooling fan profiles to suit my needs, hide codes if needed, run logs including tracing them to the tables themselves...

If I can't do any of that, it isn't worth it to me to invest in switching tuning solutions, as UpRev (the software company and shop) has been very, very good to me, so it'll have to be one hell of a compelling product. Without the ability to handle this routine (to me) stuff, it isn't compelling at all..

I don't understand why the hate about none end user tune..

Just FYI, dealers of ECUTEK means they are professionals... So when you go to ECUTEK you will know that your car is being tuned by a pro tuner that will put a smile on your face.
I was told that its not easy to be ECUTEK dealer, which made me more excited about it.

lol, from this statement I can tell that one or two things must be true of you:

1) You don't race.
2) You don't know enough about tuning to have any desire to do it yourself.
3) You aren't a "Do it yourself" kind of person.


All of these things are fine, but that's why you don't understand the "hate", as you put it.

Someone like me being told I must take my car to someone else in order to get my tune adjusted rubs me in the wrong way at every level. No one touches my car but me, with a few exceptions (welding, for example). Also, being at someone else's mercy as far as what I do with the tune? Yeah, not going to happen. The first time a "tuner" told me "No, I'm not going to do that in your tune, I know better than you, you'll just have to trust me" I knew I had to have my own cable and software. ;)

Anyway, no hate towards ECUTek, just hope they decide to make their software available to the private individual. :)

There are many of us who like to be able to have access to the tunes in our vehicles. The fact that there is no end user support locks you into a tuner and if you change your vehicle you must go back to the tuner to get changes (say even minor things like wheel size changes).

ECUTEK can not possibly control everyone they certify, what does certifying entitle? They bring all the possible dealers into a classroom setting and pour over the material? Even if that is done there is nothing stopping each dealer from becoming complacent with their tuning and not giving your car the best tunes that it can run.

If it is locked then us customers will have no other option but to smile and nod our heads and go on our way with it.

Its like buying a CD where you have to listen to the whole thing without skipping tracks over and over, if its locked in such a way that that is not possible you are kind of getting what you want, but say you get sick of one part or want to change it (again lets say your speedo) you have to pay $$ and set time aside to get this done.

Maybe a shitty analogy but its the first thing that came to mind. I would be ok with locked tunes from dealers, as long as the customer has the ability to see the stock tune and make changes. I do know the work that goes behind making a tune and keeping it locked to that particular dealer is the way to go. But the customer must be able to get something tangible for the price they are going to pay to be able to put this system on their vehicles.

I am also in the custom tuning business and the company I work with is setup very much in this way. Works well, allows customers to play with the system, yet get tunes from reputable tuners.

3 of them are correct,

I dont race, Im not a DIY guy, and I dont know anything about tuning.
I just do my own oil change and change brake parts and thats it. ;)

Any problem for not being one of those 3? :shakes head:

No? That's why I said "they're fine". :)

TO EACH HIS OWN! :tup:

Its cool man :tup:

End-user tuning isnt here right now.. it will be one day.

I think everyone should be able to buy the software for a fair price and tune their own car.

I'm pushing for this, trust me !

Anyways I'll be posting up some dyno number shortly

-John

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And just for posterity for those who might not be as nimble with tuning and tweaking could some of the more experienced drivers lend some suggestions or maybe a reading list or something like that so that more of us can be experienced? I have done some research on my own but not willing, at this point, to mod/tune/tweak my ECU just yet. Just logging and looking and seeing at the moment. Would love any pointers in the right direction for myself and others. THANK YOU! :-) :tup:

I'd like to let folks know that this thread isn't about end-user tuning software, it's about EcuTek's new 370z software.

Lets KEEP IT ON TOPIC!!

Thank You.

In for more details, and not to start a fight between companies but how is Uprev doing VVEL wrong?

The tables they have shown in the software do effect the VVEL timing, but they are not the actual target tables..

-John

Allegedly, it is possible to adjust valve timing to the point where physical contact is made between pistons and valves with Osiris, but hardly anyone has had a chance to play with it who isn't a pro tuner so details on all of this are sketchy.

It's something to run by the ECUTEK software designers -- to have a safe maximum advance or retard clearly delineated.

So I looked into this.

Your 100% correct , this is a issue but only with Orsiris.

The UpRev software is not adjusting the correct VVEL tables.. they are touching tables the effect MAX values , not target values..

When the limit tables are touched you are playing with fire.

EcuTek doesn't need to touch those tables because they have the correct tables in the software

-John

Roger that. I was not claiming to have extensive knowledge on the subject, but I dabble a bit, lol. I am somewhat interested in what your solution has to offer, but I am neck deep in UPREV for my current build. I have been planning a motor build and may look into another solution if funds permit. I am anxious to see what your company's solution can do though........

Ok -- excellent! Between that and spark advance tables that have more meaningful values this is looking to be a nice alternative to Osiris.

Looking forward to hearing more details -- and to hoping that software will be available to individuals, not just pro-tuners :tup:

Nope :shakes head:

SRM does not stop working when you switch out the rear diff, I have changed my final drive to a 3.357 ,and mine works fine I use it all the time. Now granted it might be off a few hundred rpm give or take.

Jon when you took a ride in my car I was using it , It still might be something you can look into with the software for fine tuning it down the line.

Yeah, I'm not sure if that's a TCM thing or ECM.

Who are the authorized master tuners in So Cal?

So when will we be able to buy and test your tune?

You, very soon.

Hopefully this week

The "programming package" includes a cable and software for $600.
The software has a base tune for the stock car?

If I want a tune for aftermarket parts, since there isn't an end-user version, I have to spend an additional $350 for an etune.

So technically it's $950 for the software and tune...... Correct me if I'm wrong.

Your software sounds amazing but you compared pricing of your locked software to Uprevs tuner software which allows end user manipulation.

$600 ecutek racerom (locked)
$700 uprev tuner
Apples to oranges

This is not end user tuning software.

This is software that requires a tune from a ProTuner.

Software is a lot more advanced then what the competition has.

At the end of the day you get what you pay for.

Having software where you can't control timing, scale injectors properly just isn't worth anything to me.

John

Uprev may have end user tuning but how many people out there really use it and can tune ? Most people take there cars to get tuned by a pro tuner anway .
Ecutek has done a great job on GTR's,once the features that offered for that car make it to the 370z things will take off .