Induction parts + ECU reflash dyno results

wstar · 07-31-2009, 11:09 AM

Regardless of the merits of your original argument, what really puts your posts in the shitter is that you're constantly throwing out insults. I've now been called what? Stupid, naive, novice, dumb-azz? Is that your plan to win a rational argument?

If your dollar per horsepower figure is such an accepted industry standard, surely you can find a reliable source online to quote this from, with some kind of rational argument behind the quote, right? Link it, now. This is the era of the internet. I could find a reference on the mating habits of some obscure Australian earthworm in 5 minutes flat. Surely you can find some backup for your iron-clad dollars per horsepower figure. For that matter, why don't you find some backup for your Porsche engine oil testing data you posted in that other thread in same sort of manner?

And if you don't think enhancing the performance of your car is worth it, perhaps you should spend your money somewhere where ROI even makes sense as a term, like the stock market.

ZKindaGuy · 07-31-2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar

Regardless of the merits of your original argument, what really puts your posts in the shitter is that you're constantly throwing out insults. I've now been called what? Stupid, naive, novice, dumb-azz? Is that your plan to win a rational argument?

If your dollar per horsepower figure is such an accepted industry standard, surely you can find a reliable source online to quote this from, with some kind of rational argument behind the quote, right? Link it, now. This is the era of the internet. I could find a reference on the mating habits of some obscure Australian earthworm in 5 minutes flat. Surely you can find some backup for your iron-clad dollars per horsepower figure. For that matter, why don't you find some backup for your Porsche engine oil testing data you posted in that other thread in same sort of manner?

And if you don't think enhancing the performance of your car is worth it, perhaps you should spend your money somewhere where ROI even makes sense as a term, like the stock market.

The Porshe engine data can be found here:

ELEPHANT RACING Tech Topic, Oil Temperature and Engine Life

And an FYI...Elephant Racing is internationally well known for its race-design partnership with Porsche.

wstar · 07-31-2009, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ZKindaGuy

The Porshe engine data can be found here:

ELEPHANT RACING Tech Topic, Oil Temperature and Engine Life

If you find hard to extrapolate the graph data that Elephant racing provided then perhaps you need to go back and retake the algebra class that you apparently slept through in high-school.

So, can we get references on your data next time without a side of smartass insults? What made you decide I can't extrapolate data?

wstar · 07-31-2009, 02:06 PM

Maybe you just need to slow down and rethink how you're posting. Read what you're posting before you hit that button. You realize if you talked like this to anyone in person (say at a car meet), people would either walk away, call you you a *******, or beat you into the ground, depending on their personal demeanor, right?

ZKindaGuy · 07-31-2009, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar

Maybe you just need to slow down and rethink how you're posting. Read what you're posting before you hit that button. You realize if you talked like this to anyone in person (say at a car meet), people would either walk away, call you you a *******, or beat you into the ground, depending on their personal demeanor, right?

I don't hide behind the screen as I can certainly take care of myself even in "live" situations...HOWEVER...I do realize I have gone over the top with this post....I do certainly agree with you on that point in your above quote.....

Perhaps there is hope for us to get along here yet....so let's just put this one behind us and both of us accept the fact that we both share an intent to promote the "Z" and that we both come at it from different directions.

I deleted all the insult posts I made the last day or so in this thread as a metaphoric olive-branch offering to you that I am listening to what it is you are saying. And I offer to you an apology for going over the top...

ZKindaGuy · 07-31-2009, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar

Regardless of the merits of your original argument, what really puts your posts in the shitter is that you're constantly throwing out insults. I've now been called what? Stupid, naive, novice, dumb-azz? Is that your plan to win a rational argument?

If your dollar per horsepower figure is such an accepted industry standard, surely you can find a reliable source online to quote this from, with some kind of rational argument behind the quote, right? Link it, now. This is the era of the internet. I could find a reference on the mating habits of some obscure Australian earthworm in 5 minutes flat. Surely you can find some backup for your iron-clad dollars per horsepower figure. For that matter, why don't you find some backup for your Porsche engine oil testing data you posted in that other thread in same sort of manner?

And if you don't think enhancing the performance of your car is worth it, perhaps you should spend your money somewhere where ROI even makes sense as a term, like the stock market.

As I stated about the mod dollars / HP figure....I found out about this when I got started in doing mods on the various Mustangs I owned and dragged raced since 1997. There were roads I was going down much the same as you folks but I quickly learned to listen to the folks who had the experience and not pursue trying to one-up one-another and casting to the wind all common sense when it comes to price-point / HP gained.

The real insulting part is that the vendors and performance shops certainly can easily identify easy targets who decide dollars spent by way of emotion...its the oldest sales trick in the book...

wstar · 07-31-2009, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ZKindaGuy

As I clearly stated about the mod dollars / HP figure....I found out about this when I got started in doing mods on the various Mustangs I owned and dragged raced since 1997. There were roads I was going down much the same as you folks but there is one big difference between me and you folks...I learned to listen to the folks who had the experience..you dummies don't...you just keep trying to one-up one-another and you just cast to the wind all common sense when it comes to price-point / HP gained.

So more insults, now I'm a dummy too, and have no common sense...

And your data is basically, "Well I once raced mustangs, so I'm allowed to pull numbers outta my ***", got it.

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The real insulting part is that the vendors and performance shops you frequent know this about you folks and in fact encourage it in you because you are considered as easy targets who decide dollars spent by your ego...the oldest sales trick in the book...and your are so infatuated with yourselves that you are completely blind to how you are being played by the vendors.

And more insults...

What the **** is your problem, seriously? Do you honestly think you can read my mind from Ohio? Do you know of a source for a better bolt-on setup than what most of us are running, getting all the same benefits cheaper on a 370Z? If so, please share your knowledge with the rest of us, even though we're idiot losers.

07-31-2009, 11:09 AM	#1 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3596	Regardless of the merits of your original argument, what really puts your posts in the shitter is that you're constantly throwing out insults. I've now been called what? Stupid, naive, novice, dumb-azz? Is that your plan to win a rational argument? If your dollar per horsepower figure is such an accepted industry standard, surely you can find a reliable source online to quote this from, with some kind of rational argument behind the quote, right? Link it, now. This is the era of the internet. I could find a reference on the mating habits of some obscure Australian earthworm in 5 minutes flat. Surely you can find some backup for your iron-clad dollars per horsepower figure. For that matter, why don't you find some backup for your Porsche engine oil testing data you posted in that other thread in same sort of manner? And if you don't think enhancing the performance of your car is worth it, perhaps you should spend your money somewhere where ROI even makes sense as a term, like the stock market. __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

07-31-2009, 02:06 PM	#4 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3596	Maybe you just need to slow down and rethink how you're posting. Read what you're posting before you hit that button. You realize if you talked like this to anyone in person (say at a car meet), people would either walk away, call you you a *******, or beat you into the ground, depending on their personal demeanor, right? __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

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