Smooth Throttle for UpRev

Awgd8 · 04-05-2014, 09:13 AM

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Awgd8 · 04-05-2014, 11:08 AM

I did an experiment today using wstar throttle MAP vs Jordo.

Just a side note, I have a 2008 Infiniti EX35 AWD 5 speed. VQ35HR ENGINE. (297hp/253 ibs/tORQUE)
It is a bit heavier than the G37 coupe/sedan. I think mine is around 3,975 IBS.
It is not loaded so it is a lot lighter than 4k IBS EX35.

Temp outside is 47 F , on a flat surface too.

Car info : On a stock EX35 rims (heavy) with 225/60/17 snow tire (Michelin X-ice 2)

Tranny: 5 speed - used Manual mode on all runs. 45MPH where reached at the end of 1st gear at close 7.5k RPM( I did not bump the speed limiter) towards 2nd gear shift.

Jordo MAP 1st and 2nd run from top to bottom. (BELOW)

Wstar Map (Below)

I alternate runs between Jordo and Wstar. Jordo 1st run, then wstar 1st run. Then I shut the engine off for 5 minutes. I did the 2nd run with Jordo map again, then did wstar. The best time was 4.15 sec 0-45 using wstar MAP. (THROTTLE MAP) and I expect to be slower since engine is hotter, but it was the best time.

I apologized for just doing 0-45 MPH. I do not have a nice stretch of local road that is safer to do these runs. Numbers are slower than the G37 i expect from 0-45 sec. =)

I have not tried 0-60 on wstar throttle map yet. I am waiting to put on my summer wheels (17.5 ibs each) - The best 0-60 run i did was 6.3 sec. flat on Cipher with summer wheels with 89 F degree weather. I expect to be faster with wstar ETC MAP.

And BTW, I after doing these runs, I decided to try ETC: OFF , but after cruising with this setting, It does not make sense to do the 0-45 sec run. It`s just weird, car does not bog down on downshift, but it does not have that seat of pants pull.

I wish I could get some comparison from you guys with the G37 0-45 sec. run. - N/A engine pls. =)

jrb55gh · 04-08-2014, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Awgd8

I did an experiment today using wstar throttle MAP vs Jordo.

Just a side note, I have a 2008 Infiniti EX35 AWD 5 speed. VQ35HR ENGINE. (297hp/253 ibs/tORQUE)
It is a bit heavier than the G37 coupe/sedan. I think mine is around 3,975 IBS.
It is not loaded so it is a lot lighter than 4k IBS EX35.

Temp outside is 47 F , on a flat surface too.

Car info : On a stock EX35 rims (heavy) with 225/60/17 snow tire (Michelin X-ice 2)

Tranny: 5 speed - used Manual mode on all runs. 45MPH where reached at the end of 1st gear at close 7.5k RPM( I did not bump the speed limiter) towards 2nd gear shift.

Jordo MAP 1st and 2nd run from top to bottom. (BELOW)

Wstar Map (Below)

I alternate runs between Jordo and Wstar. Jordo 1st run, then wstar 1st run. Then I shut the engine off for 5 minutes. I did the 2nd run with Jordo map again, then did wstar. The best time was 4.15 sec 0-45 using wstar MAP. (THROTTLE MAP) and I expect to be slower since engine is hotter, but it was the best time.

I apologized for just doing 0-45 MPH. I do not have a nice stretch of local road that is safer to do these runs. Numbers are slower than the G37 i expect from 0-45 sec. =)

I have not tried 0-60 on wstar throttle map yet. I am waiting to put on my summer wheels (17.5 ibs each) - The best 0-60 run i did was 6.3 sec. flat on Cipher with summer wheels with 89 F degree weather. I expect to be faster with wstar ETC MAP.

And BTW, I after doing these runs, I decided to try ETC: OFF , but after cruising with this setting, It does not make sense to do the 0-45 sec run. It`s just weird, car does not bog down on downshift, but it does not have that seat of pants pull.

I wish I could get some comparison from you guys with the G37 0-45 sec. run. - N/A engine pls. =)

Just curious, does Jordo or wstar seem to pull stronger off the line?

Awgd8 · 04-11-2014, 04:31 PM

jrb55gh,

Wstar kick *** off the line, the midrange is phenominal! Although, both Wstar and Jordo power start at 2.5K rpm in my car, I bet the G's must be lower due to lower gearing on the 7A/T or 6 speed manual.

In my car, I just floored it ( no torque breaking) from dead start. I need to hit 7.5k rpm to get a better 0-60 as I tried it early on my etuning phase. I experiment shifting at 7.1 -7.2 k RPM and lose about .2 -.3 secs.

I am excited to do another 0-60 run using wstar throttle map this time, but I need to install my summer rims (17.5 ibs) and tires first. I will do it next weekend.

wstar · 08-14-2012, 08:56 PM

Your stock map looks identical to my stock map. Your tuned map looks a lot like my original "Tuner" map from my tuner, probably both based on some generic advice from UpRev. I'll plug it into Plot.

asdfsammich · 08-14-2012, 09:09 PM

Cool stuff. Guessing this is what you can do with UPREV software, cable and laptop? Plus you have to know what you're doing of course.

Kinda OT but when you flash UPREV software to ECU, are you pretty much flashing a ROM?

Tapatalk & such etc

wstar · 08-14-2012, 09:10 PM

Just a quick plot on its own, I'm lazy:

VS the shape of the others in the first post (it's not as rough as my Tuner set, but still not smooth either):

Best way to tell is to use an OBD-II datalogger (I like the Android App "Torque") to do some realtime graphs of the throttle position feedback, then go do a few accel runs and look at the instantaneous history on the phone's screen, compare to your butt impressions. You'll notice the dead and/or too-sharp regions if you have any.

Jordo! · 08-15-2012, 09:21 PM

^^^ Very cool -- thanks!

What happened on downshifts with the ETC off? Did it stumble or act as though it might stall?

wstar · 08-15-2012, 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordo!

^^^ Very cool -- thanks!

What happened on downshifts with the ETC off? Did it stumble or act as though it might stall?

I only tried it for a quick trip down my side street and back, and the 7AT was not very happy about it. It didn't rev-match at all, so every shift was clunky and horrible. At the time I didn't even think about trying to manually rev-match with the gas pedal on the 7AT heh. It didn't try to stall though, it just engaged really rough, like someone dumping the clutch without rev-matching at all on an MT.

Jordo! · 08-16-2012, 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wstar

I only tried it for a quick trip down my side street and back, and the 7AT was not very happy about it. It didn't rev-match at all, so every shift was clunky and horrible. At the time I didn't even think about trying to manually rev-match with the gas pedal on the 7AT heh. It didn't try to stall though, it just engaged really rough, like someone dumping the clutch without rev-matching at all on an MT.

Argghhh... I want to play with it, but I'm worried it could cause damage somehow... I'm trying to think logically here...

What damage could possibly be done without the additional throttle control to mitigate shifts? Nothing?

If it just shifts hard, but runs correct line pressure (possibly defaults to max?) then I should think it's safe to play with, no?

wstar · 08-16-2012, 02:54 AM

Beats me, you're on your own there

Sh0velMan · 08-16-2012, 01:37 PM

After trying some of the suggested maps in this thread, I pretty much just turned ETC off and couldn't be happier... It feels sooo much better.

I don't miss SRM or Cruise Control (don't have the buttons to use either anymore) and the boost in response would be totally worth it as a non-DD car.

Jordo! · 08-16-2012, 06:16 PM

Dang it... I'm just going to have try this now.

seymore4 · 08-16-2012, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordo!

Dang it... I'm just going to have try this now.

That is the benefit to owning the tuner version

You can tinker and test and try stuff out until you've got the perfect combination that works for YOU.. and DON'T have to shell out $150/hr for dyno time

Isamu · 08-16-2012, 09:31 PM

Great thread man! when I do some more data logging and what not with upRev I will take screen shots

04-05-2014, 09:13 AM	#1 (permalink)
Awgd8 Base Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: WI Posts: 165 Drives: 2015 Q40 / 2008 EX35 Rep Power: 13	Pm Last edited by Awgd8; 05-05-2015 at 06:08 PM.

04-05-2014, 11:08 AM	#2 (permalink)
Awgd8 Base Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: WI Posts: 165 Drives: 2015 Q40 / 2008 EX35 Rep Power: 13	I did an experiment today using wstar throttle MAP vs Jordo. Just a side note, I have a 2008 Infiniti EX35 AWD 5 speed. VQ35HR ENGINE. (297hp/253 ibs/tORQUE) It is a bit heavier than the G37 coupe/sedan. I think mine is around 3,975 IBS. It is not loaded so it is a lot lighter than 4k IBS EX35. Temp outside is 47 F , on a flat surface too. Car info : On a stock EX35 rims (heavy) with 225/60/17 snow tire (Michelin X-ice 2) Tranny: 5 speed - used Manual mode on all runs. 45MPH where reached at the end of 1st gear at close 7.5k RPM( I did not bump the speed limiter) towards 2nd gear shift. Jordo MAP 1st and 2nd run from top to bottom. (BELOW) Wstar Map (Below) I alternate runs between Jordo and Wstar. Jordo 1st run, then wstar 1st run. Then I shut the engine off for 5 minutes. I did the 2nd run with Jordo map again, then did wstar. The best time was 4.15 sec 0-45 using wstar MAP. (THROTTLE MAP) and I expect to be slower since engine is hotter, but it was the best time. I apologized for just doing 0-45 MPH. I do not have a nice stretch of local road that is safer to do these runs. Numbers are slower than the G37 i expect from 0-45 sec. =) I have not tried 0-60 on wstar throttle map yet. I am waiting to put on my summer wheels (17.5 ibs each) - The best 0-60 run i did was 6.3 sec. flat on Cipher with summer wheels with 89 F degree weather. I expect to be faster with wstar ETC MAP. And BTW, I after doing these runs, I decided to try ETC: OFF , but after cruising with this setting, It does not make sense to do the 0-45 sec run. It`s just weird, car does not bog down on downshift, but it does not have that seat of pants pull. I wish I could get some comparison from you guys with the G37 0-45 sec. run. - N/A engine pls. =) 7speed and mag_black like this. Last edited by Awgd8; 04-05-2014 at 11:58 AM.

04-11-2014, 04:31 PM	#4 (permalink)
Awgd8 Base Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: WI Posts: 165 Drives: 2015 Q40 / 2008 EX35 Rep Power: 13	jrb55gh, Wstar kick *** off the line, the midrange is phenominal! Although, both Wstar and Jordo power start at 2.5K rpm in my car, I bet the G's must be lower due to lower gearing on the 7A/T or 6 speed manual. In my car, I just floored it ( no torque breaking) from dead start. I need to hit 7.5k rpm to get a better 0-60 as I tried it early on my etuning phase. I experiment shifting at 7.1 -7.2 k RPM and lose about .2 -.3 secs. I am excited to do another 0-60 run using wstar throttle map this time, but I need to install my summer rims (17.5 ibs) and tires first. I will do it next weekend. juld0zer likes this.

08-14-2012, 08:56 PM	#5 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3596	Your stock map looks identical to my stock map. Your tuned map looks a lot like my original "Tuner" map from my tuner, probably both based on some generic advice from UpRev. I'll plug it into Plot. __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

08-14-2012, 09:10 PM	#7 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3596	Just a quick plot on its own, I'm lazy: VS the shape of the others in the first post (it's not as rough as my Tuner set, but still not smooth either): Best way to tell is to use an OBD-II datalogger (I like the Android App "Torque") to do some realtime graphs of the throttle position feedback, then go do a few accel runs and look at the instantaneous history on the phone's screen, compare to your butt impressions. You'll notice the dead and/or too-sharp regions if you have any. __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

08-14-2012, 09:09 PM	#6 (permalink)
asdfsammich Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Southern California Posts: 456 Drives: 09 370Z SR MT Rep Power: 15	Cool stuff. Guessing this is what you can do with UPREV software, cable and laptop? Plus you have to know what you're doing of course. Kinda OT but when you flash UPREV software to ECU, are you pretty much flashing a ROM? Tapatalk & such etc

08-15-2012, 09:21 PM	#8 (permalink)
Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 420	^^^ Very cool -- thanks! What happened on downshifts with the ETC off? Did it stumble or act as though it might stall? __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it.

08-16-2012, 02:54 AM	#11 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3596	Beats me, you're on your own there __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

08-16-2012, 01:37 PM	#12 (permalink)
Sh0velMan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Dallas/Ft.Worth Posts: 3,349 Drives: Noisily. Rep Power: 22	After trying some of the suggested maps in this thread, I pretty much just turned ETC off and couldn't be happier... It feels sooo much better. I don't miss SRM or Cruise Control (don't have the buttons to use either anymore) and the boost in response would be totally worth it as a non-DD car. __________________ Buy My Car! \| Build Thread

08-16-2012, 06:16 PM	#13 (permalink)
Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 420	Dang it... I'm just going to have try this now. __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it.

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