Sway Bars, Track and AutoX?

clintfocus

the hotchkis site has its own rating for it, but even though its hollow its the stiffest off the shelf oem fitment bar around.

i personally hate the rear hotchkis bar. stock or the G37S bar in the back is what id run on square setup, and at most the whiteline rear for a staggered setup

synolimit

If they have their own testing then we're just going off personal opinion which I'm sorry to say is never right. People's butt dyno's are always off! 37 hollow vs 27 solid I don't see being the stiffest going to hollow.

Ps doran makes a stiffer bar than hotchkis.

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clintfocus

ok so i dont know **** and all my on track testing and tire temp data, plus lap time data/gps telemetery data, and general driving feel assesment is moot

ive prolly tried more combinations then alot of people on here on track.

yes i know Doran makes a race bar.

GSS138

Clint has more track experience than probably anyone on this forum FYI, writes for an online motoring mag, and has some of the best videos of driver lines on the west coast for most of the local tracks. His opinion is pretty much money.

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synolimit

Find it hard to believe you only changed a whiteline set to full stiff out for a hotchkis, then tested without any changes in suspension, tire pressure, the days where same air temps and track temps (which would have no bearing at all on lap times haha), plus no way you could ever improve with more seat time from track day to track day. Cause that never happens.

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clintfocus

Dont know if you're posting for the sake of proper info in this thread, or just trying to intentionally piss me off. But ill try to keep this tread on the path of information.

i have tried several front bars in a day, with the right tools i can change a front bar under 20min. There were times also that it was a completely different day and not the EXACT same track/weather conditions, but im not a noob and have taken such factors into account before i formulated opinions about such setups. Obviously you like nit picking to try and make me look like a idiot, and maybe one day we can torsion test all the 370z sway bars out there to see which one truely is the stiffest. But that of course will never happen, hell i may never even meet you in person. Fact of the matter is my on track testing, research, and experience superceeds you forum opinion in my book, and if you really disagree with me, then so be it. I was just trying to share a little info on a topic i have experience, even though i really dont have to. But call me a sucker i like to share info to a extent (passed a certain point i charge for chassis setup advice )

So if you feel my findings are flawed, then prove me wrong, or just stick to your opinion and potentially have a slower car around a track. whatever floats your boat.

Sh0velMan

Par for the course with Synolimit. He knows all.

Also, Doran actually did a shootout with a torsion test on most of the common retail bars before making their own. BJ has posted some of that information here somewhere, I remember reading the numbers in lbs/inch for various bars.

(Like Hotchkis front was ~990lbs and their bar they made is like 1600 or something outrageous.)

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synolimit

Coming from a guy that doesn't know what a helmholtz is and thinks rasp is good. Haha keep learning, maybe one day you'll be smarter than me.

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synolimit

No one said I disagree per say, but for the hundredth time your stating opinion and its your opinion which I'll disagree too. Seeing the bars side by side and charts somewhat like homer posted I'll believe hard data. You can be butt hurt all you want, gss138 seems to drop to his knees for you which I'm sure will make you feel better but again I'll believe data vs opinion. You're telling me hotchkis doesn't torsion test like other people! Seems funny don't it? Like every manufacture of a part somehow miraculously adds 20hp across the powerband...

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clintfocus

soooo doesnt the chart homor posted show the hotchkis as significantly stiffer then the whiteline? on top of this you run a pretty heavy stagger with a narrow front tire, which is what i use to run too and the front whiteline on full stiff was enough, then i went square sizes and it really exposed the front Whiteline as too soft partnered with the KW V3 off the shelf rates. Speaking to Doran, they ran the Hotchkis before they made there own bars because it was the stiffest, they said it themselves.

in regards to GSS138 backing me up, for one he knows me from being in the same socal track scene, he backed up up cause he knows that im not some forum know it all who just talks outta his ***, im actually out there tracking and testing, using my knowledge base of suspension tuning from years of being on track...UNLIKE yourself who drives in the mountains...