Better track car? 370z or 240SX

Brazilbro · 07-02-2009, 09:38 PM

CAR FEATURE>> S14 TRACK CAR - Speedhunters

Heres a nicely setup s14 track car

edeeZee · 07-03-2009, 10:52 AM

You ever see those people put ads of their highly modified cars that can break 11's in the 1/4, they got dyno sheets that show 650hp+, receipts, blah blah blah....And they want "only" 1/2 of what they claimed to have spent i.e. the trite, "my loss, your gain"-->pipe dream.

Any smart person who worked their butt off to accumulate $30+K in cash for a car, isn't going to let their blood, sweat and tears go down the drain on a used car that has no warranty, is most likely a money pit, and is de facto someone trying to dump their problems onto you.

Spending $28K on a used car so that it can "blow a new 370 out the water" = pyrhic victory

NIZMOZ · 07-03-2009, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by edeeZee

You ever see those people put ads of their highly modified cars that can break 11's in the 1/4, they got dyno sheets that show 650hp+, receipts, blah blah blah....And they want "only" 1/2 of what they claimed to have spent i.e. the trite, "my loss, your gain"-->pipe dream.

Any smart person who worked their butt off to accumulate $30+K in cash for a car, isn't going to let their blood, sweat and tears go down the drain on a used car that has no warranty, is most likely a money pit, and is de facto someone trying to dump their problems onto you.

Spending $28K on a used car so that it can "blow a new 370 out the water" = pyrhic victory

I rather spend $28k on a used car than spend $40k on a new car and then spend all the extra money on it to fix it up as well and have something happen to it, and it's all gone.

RCZ · 07-03-2009, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by NIZMOZ

You mean 45k in the 370z
vs
13k in the 240

I would take the 13k in a 240 any day of the week. Get a SR20DET for $1k or less and it is more of a stout engine than the VQ is period. It can and will handle boost, and track abuse just fine. No tuning needed, just a swap. Upgrade to a 5 bolt system on the 240, put 350z Brembos on the car for $1000, get the other stuff and it will run you under $10k.

You don't buy a new track car so it gets abused. You buy a older one and use it for the track. Get over thinking your Z is the best thing since sliced bread dude. I own a NISMO 350Z and know the 240sx can and will take my butt around a track setup correctly. Seen it done many times. 2500 lb vs 3300+ is a huge difference in the racing world.

No I dont mean that. He already has the cars. He is wondering which one should he invest the 10k on. You live in a fantasy world. The reason you dont see 240s on the track inst because they are underpowered. Not a single trackday goes by that I dont see at least 3-5 Miatas...those are underpowered too. Hmmmm

Also, DUDE, I dont think my Z is the best thing since sliced bread, watch here who makes things personal right off the bat. Don't blame me later and then decide to give me bad rep since your feelings get hurt crybaby. Also...it may not be a porsche, but it sure as hell is better than that Nismo of yours.

You dont have a clue about the costs associated with doing what you want him to do. He may get a half assed car for the 10K, but then you have to do SO much more to get the car up to spec. Did you think about the clutch + Labor? Labor for brakes? Labor for the swap? Tuning cost?(oh wait you said NO tuning, so I guess the car is going to make like 250hp at the motor, congrats) Wheels to clear the brembos? Tires? Brake pads? wiring harness? chassis stiffening? new diff to handle power? Probably will need new tranny to handle added power and track abuse? Labor for all that? coilovers? corner balancing? no those things arent necessary right?

What if he gets a bad motor for the swap and it blows? What do you tell him then? Sorry dude...that wasn't supposed to happen...oh another $1000 in labor...thats still under 10k right?

You can do all that BS you are talking about or you can tell the guy to have a nice reliable weekend racer which he can enjoy and then drive back home. You talk in theory about swaps and crap, but you dont look at the big picture that is reality. A friend of mine just got his car back 2 days ago after 2 years of headaches from doing a swap...and he works at a shop that does swaps as their MAIN business.

Im tired of you and your attitude, it doesn't help anyone.

NIZMOZ · 07-03-2009, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

No I dont mean that. He already has the cars. He is wondering which one should he invest the 10k on. You live in a fantasy world. The reason you dont see 240s on the track inst because they are underpowered. Not a single trackday goes by that I dont see at least 3-5 Miatas...those are underpowered too. Hmmmm

Also, DUDE, I dont think my Z is the best thing since sliced bread, watch here who makes things personal right off the bat. Don't blame me later and then decide to give me bad rep since your feelings get hurt crybaby. Also...it may not be a porsche, but it sure as hell is better than that Nismo of yours.

You dont have a clue about the costs associated with doing what you want him to do. He may get a half assed car for the 10K, but then you have to do SO much more to get the car up to spec. Did you think about the clutch + Labor? Labor for brakes? Labor for the swap? Tuning cost?(oh wait you said NO tuning, so I guess the car is going to make like 250hp at the motor, congrats) Wheels to clear the brembos? Tires? Brake pads? wiring harness? chassis stiffening? new diff to handle power? Probably will need new tranny to handle added power and track abuse? Labor for all that? coilovers? corner balancing? no those things arent necessary right?

What if he gets a bad motor for the swap and it blows? What do you tell him then? Sorry dude...that wasn't supposed to happen...oh another $1000 in labor...thats still under 10k right?

You can do all that BS you are talking about or you can tell the guy to have a nice reliable weekend racer which he can enjoy and then drive back home. You talk in theory about swaps and crap, but you dont look at the big picture that is reality. A friend of mine just got his car back 2 days ago after 2 years of headaches from doing a swap...and he works at a shop that does swaps as their MAIN business.

Im tired of you and your attitude, it doesn't help anyone.

Pretty obvious you have no clue about 240s. I do look at the big picture as I have done a lot of work on 240s, 350z, G35s, any Nissan for that matter and been around them for 20 years. A swap on a 240 will take less than a weekend to do. They are very easy to do. The brakes $1000, a clutch $1000 at the most, It comes with a wiring harness. If you knew anything you would know the diff in the 240 is just like ours.

The R200.

Oh I am laughing at your post about what if the motor blows. Ok $1000. What if your 370z motor blows, oh $10k.

They handle the power just fine. Now go back to your little quiet hole and learn about your 370z. When you do stuff to a car you do it yourself so you learn. You don't race a car and have a shop do all the work for you. Oh but I guess you don't want to get your hands dirty.

NIZMOZ · 07-03-2009, 07:49 PM

Here RCR, little history lesson for ya..

Z33 - MT - R200 - 3.538
Z33 - MT - R200V - 3.538
Z33 - AT - R200V - 3.357
Z32TT - R230V - 3.692
Z32 - R200V - 4.083
G35 - Sedan - AT - R200 - 3.357
G35 - Sedan - MT - R200V - 3.538
G35 - Sedan - AWD - AT - R200 - 3.357
G35 - Coupe - MT - R200V - 3.538
G35 - Coupe - AT - R200 - 3.357
G35 - Coupe - AT - R200V - 3.357
Q45 - G50 - R200V - 3.538
Q45 - FY33 - R200V - 3.692
R32 GTR - RB26DETT - MT - F160 - 4.111 - (Front Final Gear)
R32 GTR - RB26DETT - MT - R200 (Mechanical LSD) - 4.111
S15 - MT - R200H - 3.692
S15 - AT - R200V - 3.916
S14 - KA24DE - 4.083
S14 - SR20DET - MT - R200V - 3.692
S14 - SR20DET - AT - R200V - 3.915
S13 - KA24DE - 4.083 - (Both R200 and R200V

RCZ · 07-05-2009, 09:03 PM

Follow whoever's advice makes more sense Brazilbro.

Thanks for the bad rep NISMOZ.

Way to advice people to tune their own cars too by the way. That makes a lot of sense genius.

cossie1600 · 07-05-2009, 10:22 PM

How many times have you been to the track and running, not reading about it on magazine? Just curious.

Going back to what RCZ and I said, how many full interior 240sx actually run on the track at the amateur level?

I am sorry, but going fast on the track isn't as simple as slapping on a big motor.

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Originally Posted by NIZMOZ

Pretty obvious you have no clue about 240s. I do look at the big picture as I have done a lot of work on 240s, 350z, G35s, any Nissan for that matter and been around them for 20 years. A swap on a 240 will take less than a weekend to do. They are very easy to do. The brakes $1000, a clutch $1000 at the most, It comes with a wiring harness. If you knew anything you would know the diff in the 240 is just like ours.

The R200.

Oh I am laughing at your post about what if the motor blows. Ok $1000. What if your 370z motor blows, oh $10k.

They handle the power just fine. Now go back to your little quiet hole and learn about your 370z. When you do stuff to a car you do it yourself so you learn. You don't race a car and have a shop do all the work for you. Oh but I guess you don't want to get your hands dirty.

FuszNissan · 07-06-2009, 06:46 AM

if anybod puts 28K in a 240 for a track car is an idiot. Just go flush the money down the toliet. Because that car will be in the shop more than on the track..

RCZ · 07-06-2009, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by FuszNissan

if anybod puts 28K in a 240 for a track car is an idiot. Just go flush the money down the toliet. Because that car will be in the shop more than on the track..

Thats what I've been trying to say....

cossie1600 · 07-06-2009, 07:59 AM

Don't tell that to the SR die hard fans. Some of the SR guys are in love with their 2L motor with a turbo bigger than their wheels. I guess they don't realize peak power means nothing when you can't use it at the track. I sure do love the fact that I can come off a corner at 3000RPM without downshifting to 1st or 2nd in super tight corners.

NIZMOZ · 07-06-2009, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

Follow whoever's advice makes more sense Brazilbro.

Thanks for the bad rep NISMOZ.

Way to advice people to tune their own cars too by the way. That makes a lot of sense genius.

Never left you bad rep my friend.

NIZMOZ · 07-06-2009, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

How many times have you been to the track and running, not reading about it on magazine? Just curious.

Going back to what RCZ and I said, how many full interior 240sx actually run on the track at the amateur level?

I am sorry, but going fast on the track isn't as simple as slapping on a big motor.

Racing for 15 years. I instruct at a few tracks. Thank you very much.

Going fast on a track is all about the driver. The car does have a lot to do with it as well, but a 240sx is more compatible of going around the track much better than a 350Z or 370z does with a few mods as it is much lighter. You put a SR20DET in there and it's a fast car.

NIZMOZ · 07-06-2009, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

Thats what I've been trying to say....

28k is obviously a way high number. It would not cost over 10k to make a 240 kill anything on the track pretty much.

cossie1600 · 07-06-2009, 12:32 PM

With your long track experience, could you tell me what amateur series/class actually allow 240sx with swaps in it that are under 10K or even 15K? I have never seen or heard of one, heck I still haven't seen a competitive 240sx anywhere with the exception of a few here and there. With an amateur budget, how does a turbocharged engine survive a race session?

Also by the time you finish swapping engine/drivetrain/brakes/suspension, don't you want to rethink your strategy and perhaps think about using a new platform. I guess this is the same reason why people race Honda shoeboxes.

07-03-2009, 07:49 PM	#36 (permalink)
NIZMOZ Track Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 634 Drives: 07 NISMO 350Z SA M6 Rep Power: 490	Here RCR, little history lesson for ya.. Z33 - MT - R200 - 3.538 Z33 - MT - R200V - 3.538 Z33 - AT - R200V - 3.357 Z32TT - R230V - 3.692 Z32 - R200V - 4.083 G35 - Sedan - AT - R200 - 3.357 G35 - Sedan - MT - R200V - 3.538 G35 - Sedan - AWD - AT - R200 - 3.357 G35 - Coupe - MT - R200V - 3.538 G35 - Coupe - AT - R200 - 3.357 G35 - Coupe - AT - R200V - 3.357 Q45 - G50 - R200V - 3.538 Q45 - FY33 - R200V - 3.692 R32 GTR - RB26DETT - MT - F160 - 4.111 - (Front Final Gear) R32 GTR - RB26DETT - MT - R200 (Mechanical LSD) - 4.111 S15 - MT - R200H - 3.692 S15 - AT - R200V - 3.916 S14 - KA24DE - 4.083 S14 - SR20DET - MT - R200V - 3.692 S14 - SR20DET - AT - R200V - 3.915 S13 - KA24DE - 4.083 - (Both R200 and R200V __________________ SOLD: 2007 NISMO 350Z #0044 Silver Alloy New DD: 2010 Titan Pro4X CC

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cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 29	With your long track experience, could you tell me what amateur series/class actually allow 240sx with swaps in it that are under 10K or even 15K? I have never seen or heard of one, heck I still haven't seen a competitive 240sx anywhere with the exception of a few here and there. With an amateur budget, how does a turbocharged engine survive a race session? Also by the time you finish swapping engine/drivetrain/brakes/suspension, don't you want to rethink your strategy and perhaps think about using a new platform. I guess this is the same reason why people race Honda shoeboxes.