HPDE Insurance

MightyBobo · 11-19-2011, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am

It is forecast to rain tomorrow. I hate driving in the rain (both times it happened

). I'm from California and tend to be better practiced in the dry. For the piece of mind, I just bought HPDE one day insurance.

Thanks to one and all for the advice.

My last track event was in the rain. I LOVED it. It has great benefits:

1) You arent pushing the car so hard, so your tires aren't going to be decimated
2) Its much easier to find "the limit" and stay there, so its great for learning car control and patience
3) You still feel like you're going balls-out just because its a bit slicker

Keep VDC on, and pace yourself properly. Its fun!

That video is nothing sadly - day 1 was absolutely pouring on one or two sessions. The other 2 were just raining a bit.

cossie1600 · 11-20-2011, 09:17 AM

Drive like you want to drive the car home in one piece....

Mt Tam I am · 11-21-2011, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

Drive like you want to drive the car home in one piece....

I will and did. Thanks

Mt Tam I am · 11-21-2011, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

My last track event was in the rain. I LOVED it. It has great benefits:

1) You arent pushing the car so hard, so your tires aren't going to be decimated
2) Its much easier to find "the limit" and stay there, so its great for learning car control and patience
3) You still feel like you're going balls-out just because its a bit slicker

Keep VDC on, and pace yourself properly. Its fun!

That video is nothing sadly - day 1 was absolutely pouring on one or two sessions. The other 2 were just raining a bit.

It looks like you had the same or similar competition. A Camaro holding up everybody, a Corvette that got squirrelly, a BMW that you slowly reeled in.

How did you like that banked turn? Looks like the Nurburgrings bank.

MightyBobo · 11-21-2011, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am

It looks like you had the same or similar competition. A Camaro holding up everybody, a Corvette that got squirrelly, a BMW that you slowly reeled in.

How did you like that banked turn? Looks like the Nurburgrings bank.

Fun as long as you entered it correctly. I know someone who overshot it on accident. I didnt have issues, though. Shenandoah was designed with many corners similar to other tracks...Laguna Seca, the 'Ring are just two I can think of off hand there.

Btw, assuming its the same video Im thinking of (cant watch it here), and its the grey 335i that pointed me, I was actually quite a bit faster than him haha. He was my friend's friend (so by proxy, my friend I suppose) and he had probably about 400 WHP in that thing after his tune. He said he'd never point me by on the track, so I told him I'd follow him and if I kept up/stayed on his ***, that'd answer his question. So I did haha. After he pointed, he was gone so fast I never saw him again...

Mt Tam I am · 11-21-2011, 11:54 PM

Here my vids. I'm glad I bought the insurance.

My first HPDE day: Racing at Sears Point in the rain Part 1 - YouTube

My first HPDE day: 370Z Racing at Sears Point in the rain Pt 2 - YouTube

MightyBobo · 11-22-2011, 12:13 AM

Just watched a bit of the last one. I watched the first earlier. Can see how afraid you were alone, and how much faster you got with the instructor. I'll watch it all tomorrow.

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MightyBobo · 11-22-2011, 08:08 AM

OK, so just to comment a bit more before I forget...

I was a bit shocked they let you go out solo w/o an instructor so soon. I have no doubt you were a bit nervous and that contributed to the slow driving...but I dont agree with sending someone out solo at their first HPDE at all.

But it was good to see your instructor appeared to be talking your ear off in the 2nd video, and from the little clips I saw, he was pushing you pretty good.

So, is it all done then? Only one day or two? And I saw no accidents so no insurance needed, right? lol. But Im sure you got your peace of mind and that was worth it enough for you. Tell us how YOU liked it - was I right on it being a bit easier to find "the limit" in the rain (granted, you dont have dry experience, but Im sue you know what I mean on how easy it was to find...) and do you feel you learned anything?

Mt Tam I am · 11-22-2011, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

OK, so just to comment a bit more before I forget...

I was a bit shocked they let you go out solo w/o an instructor so soon. I have no doubt you were a bit nervous and that contributed to the slow driving...but I dont agree with sending someone out solo at their first HPDE at all.

But it was good to see your instructor appeared to be talking your ear off in the 2nd video, and from the little clips I saw, he was pushing you pretty good.

So, is it all done then? Only one day or two? And I saw no accidents so no insurance needed, right? lol. But Im sure you got your peace of mind and that was worth it enough for you. Tell us how YOU liked it - was I right on it being a bit easier to find "the limit" in the rain (granted, you dont have dry experience, but Im sure you know what I mean on how easy it was to find...) and do you feel you learned anything?

One day event. The insurance gave me the ability to focus on what was at hand and find limits. I had no accidents or spin outs. Once some body spun they were black flagged and had to come into the pits for a quick check and brief talking to.

I learned plenty. I'll write up the day over Thanksgiving vacation.

I loved it!

KillerBee370 · 11-22-2011, 09:34 AM

It's the wise thing to do.

MightyBobo · 11-22-2011, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am

One day event. The insurance gave me the ability to focus on what was at hand and find limits. I had no accidents or spin outs. Once some body spun they were black flagged and had to come into the pits for a quick check and brief talking to.

I learned plenty. I'll write up the day over Thanksgiving vacation.

I loved it!

Good to hear. No spinning maybe, but did you at least feel the rear step out ever around any of the corners? Maybe plow into a corner or two from braking a little late?

Thats generally how spinning or going off works - the group running makes them come in to talk. Not always, though.

onzedge · 11-22-2011, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am

One day event. The insurance gave me the ability to focus on what was at hand and find limits. I had no accidents or spin outs. Once some body spun they were black flagged and had to come into the pits for a quick check and brief talking to.

I learned plenty. I'll write up the day over Thanksgiving vacation.

I loved it!

I saw your videos -- very cool. I must do this.

Mt Tam I am · 11-22-2011, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Good to hear. No spinning maybe, but did you at least feel the rear step out ever around any of the corners? Maybe plow into a corner or two from braking a little late?
Thats generally how spinning or going off works - the group running makes them come in to talk. Not always, though.

Sure the rear end tried stepping out but I was trying to limit this by being smooth. I had the front end slide out once which was more unusual. Grease perhaps. But I always braked early never late.

I went out to the paddock and tried some maneuvers in the wet. First a sharp 90* left turn at 30 MPH. Then a 35 MPH a little wider but no loss of control. Then a 40 MPH and I induced a spin. I filmed this too so I will post and ask for a critique later.

Pilot Super Sports are alright in my book. I recommend them to all.

MightyBobo · 11-22-2011, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am

Sure the rear end tried stepping out but I was trying to limit this by being smooth. I had the front end slide out once which was more unusual. Grease perhaps. But I always braked early never late.

I went out to the paddock and tried some maneuvers in the wet. First a sharp 90* left turn at 30 MPH. Then a 35 MPH a little wider but no loss of control. Then a 40 MPH and I induced a spin. I filmed this too so I will post and ask for a critique later.

Pilot Super Sports are alright in my book. I recommend them to all.

The rear end stepping out is fine. You should have progressively braked later and later hopefully to find how truly late you can brake...but you do it in tiny increments until you are just braking TOO late.

How did the front end slide out? Were you mid-corner, entering the corner, exiting?

Btw, a temporary loss of control shouldnt necessarily be interpretted as bad...pushing yourself is the point of learning. Many people actually feel GOOD when they finally spin out, or go off track. They know they pushed themselves to the limit, and (hopefully) they remember where it is from that point on. Keeping yourself in a constant state of control without ever hitting any of those points likely means you have much room to go faster

Mt Tam I am · 11-22-2011, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

The rear end stepping out is fine. You should have progressively braked later and later hopefully to find how truly late you can brake...but you do it in tiny increments until you are just braking TOO late.

How did the front end slide out? Were you mid-corner, entering the corner, exiting?

Btw, a temporary loss of control shouldnt necessarily be interpretted as bad...pushing yourself is the point of learning. Many people actually feel GOOD when they finally spin out, or go off track. They know they pushed themselves to the limit, and (hopefully) they remember where it is from that point on. Keeping yourself in a constant state of control without ever hitting any of those points likely means you have much room to go faster

RE: How did the front end slide out? Were you mid-corner, entering the corner, exiting?

At 21:10 in part 2 watch what happens. Maybe a little oil or something. Rubber from the line when wet. I don't know. I didn't mash it at all.

I like the concept of braking a little bit later and later. And yes I do have plenty of room to go faster. I like the way you think. Thanks

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MightyBobo A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 8,465 Drives: No cars; only bikes Rep Power: 52	Just watched a bit of the last one. I watched the first earlier. Can see how afraid you were alone, and how much faster you got with the instructor. I'll watch it all tomorrow. Sent from my HP Touchpad using Tapatalk __________________ I don't own a car anymore.

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MightyBobo A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 8,465 Drives: No cars; only bikes Rep Power: 52	OK, so just to comment a bit more before I forget... I was a bit shocked they let you go out solo w/o an instructor so soon. I have no doubt you were a bit nervous and that contributed to the slow driving...but I dont agree with sending someone out solo at their first HPDE at all. But it was good to see your instructor appeared to be talking your ear off in the 2nd video, and from the little clips I saw, he was pushing you pretty good. So, is it all done then? Only one day or two? And I saw no accidents so no insurance needed, right? lol. But Im sure you got your peace of mind and that was worth it enough for you. Tell us how YOU liked it - was I right on it being a bit easier to find "the limit" in the rain (granted, you dont have dry experience, but Im sue you know what I mean on how easy it was to find...) and do you feel you learned anything? __________________ I don't own a car anymore.

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