Weight Reduction

Hotrodz · 12-23-2020, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by victorofhavoc

I just meant in the context of getting a 370z down to that weight.

I think 2800 is possible. You can drop a lot weight removing driver and passenger windows, and using lexan for the rear hatch even if you don't do a carbon rear hatch. If legal lexan for the front windscreen.

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AlWakRa · 12-23-2020, 01:29 PM

https://www.plastics4performance.com...indow-kit.html

For lexan, it can shave a lot, but I will be hesitant to take weight from the back, so it will not be too light on the rear tires, it can make the car snappy with trail braking.

Hotrodz · 12-23-2020, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by AlWakRa

https://www.plastics4performance.com...indow-kit.html

For lexan, it can shave a lot, but I will be hesitant to take weight from the back, so it will not be too light on the rear tires, it can make the car snappy with trail braking.

I get that if you have no rear aero! You can also relocate that 40lbs battery to the rear.

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victorofhavoc · 12-23-2020, 03:24 PM

Yeah, don't get me wrong, I think 2800 is possible and 2700 will require some more extreme efforts. My weight is with no driver/passenger windows but with the front shield and rear glass. The rear glass could definitely lose some weight up high, which would be huge, but there's no way I'm dropping another 200 lbs without pulling every single wire, bolt, harness, and cutting out every bit of the dash that can be removed. After that the lightness gets more and more expensive.

I'm trying to slot this car into NASA Tt3 where I'll need about 30-50lbs ballast that I can have balanced in (probably a lead brick in the rear somewhere).

Wonder what the stock rear bar weighs? I might try running without it like a few others have. I'm sure it's not light...

Hotrodz · 12-23-2020, 03:43 PM

I am right there with you. I want to fit into TT 1 so I need to stay over 3100 and 3200 would be better for the power to weight ratio I am shooting for. If I can't get get there then it is TT U and then I will start shaving even more off. I left the driver's passenger windows in because I still want to drive it on the street from time to time.

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03threefiftyz · 12-23-2020, 05:27 PM

Biggest weight savings you are going to get is the doors. They are incredible heavy fully dressed with windows, crash bar, etc. My doors are something like 60+lbs per door lighter than stock. That really isn't an option unless you have a full cage, though.

Dry carbon doors can be pretty cost prohibitive for most, however, and some of the vendor offerings for carbon doors are not a whole lot lighter than skinning the factory doors once you get hinges on, etc.

victorofhavoc · 12-23-2020, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 03threefiftyz

Biggest weight savings you are going to get is the doors. They are incredible heavy fully dressed with windows, crash bar, etc. My doors are something like 60+lbs per door lighter than stock. That really isn't an option unless you have a full cage, though.

Dry carbon doors can be pretty cost prohibitive for most, however, and some of the vendor offerings for carbon doors are not a whole lot lighter than skinning the factory doors once you get hinges on, etc.

Definitely agree on both points. The door is already pretty light with door cards, windows, etc gone so if you have a full cage, ripping out the supports is a great savings that the cage adds back in a bit. Worth it, but I'm curious how much the door supports alone lost you once the full cage difference was added in?

JARblue · 12-23-2020, 09:19 PM

What if you rebuild the chassis out of titanium? I bet that would get you some weight savings!

victorofhavoc · 12-24-2020, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

What if you rebuild the chassis out of titanium? I bet that would get you some weight savings!

If you make that happen, I will pay you one million dollars!

justin_boy · 12-24-2020, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

What if you rebuild the chassis out of titanium? I bet that would get you some weight savings!

imagine....that thing would take flight

Rusty · 12-24-2020, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

What if you rebuild the chassis out of titanium? I bet that would get you some weight savings!

Ti isn't stiff enough. It has more flex in it then either aluminum or steel.

JARblue · 12-24-2020, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

Ti isn't stiff enough. It has more flex in it then either aluminum or steel.

How about unobtanium?

Jmatchley86 · 12-24-2020, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

What if you rebuild the chassis out of titanium? I bet that would get you some weight savings!

while your at it fill the titanium tubes with helium for extra lightness

Rusty · 12-24-2020, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

How about unobtanium?

You can do what ever you want with that stuff.

Rusty · 12-24-2020, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jmatchley86

while your at it fill the titanium tubes with helium for extra lightness

Porsche used to fill the chassis tubes on the 917 racer with N2 and had a gauge on the dash. If the gauge dropped pressure. The chassis had a crack and would fail in short time. Causing an accident. So it gave the drivers a chance to slow down.

12-23-2020, 01:29 PM	#32 (permalink)
AlWakRa Track Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Qatar Posts: 600 Drives: 10 370Z PW 6MT Rep Power: 13450	https://www.plastics4performance.com...indow-kit.html For lexan, it can shave a lot, but I will be hesitant to take weight from the back, so it will not be too light on the rear tires, it can make the car snappy with trail braking. __________________ 2010 370Z Touring Sport Pearl White 6MT Powered by: Fast Intentions - Motordyne - Stillen - OS Giken - CJ Motorsports - Mishimoto - MCA Suspension - SPL - SuperPRO - RJM - Z1 Motorsport - Zspeed - Volk My Humble Journals

12-23-2020, 03:24 PM	#34 (permalink)
victorofhavoc Base Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Kansas City Posts: 230 Drives: 2014 370z Rep Power: 14	Yeah, don't get me wrong, I think 2800 is possible and 2700 will require some more extreme efforts. My weight is with no driver/passenger windows but with the front shield and rear glass. The rear glass could definitely lose some weight up high, which would be huge, but there's no way I'm dropping another 200 lbs without pulling every single wire, bolt, harness, and cutting out every bit of the dash that can be removed. After that the lightness gets more and more expensive. I'm trying to slot this car into NASA Tt3 where I'll need about 30-50lbs ballast that I can have balanced in (probably a lead brick in the rear somewhere). Wonder what the stock rear bar weighs? I might try running without it like a few others have. I'm sure it's not light... Jmatchley86 likes this. __________________ Had a 2010 WRX- boy was it quick in a straight line, got a 2014 Z- man is she grippy in the corners-- then left the Z and later got a GTI, now back in an 09 racecar Z!

12-23-2020, 03:43 PM	#35 (permalink)
Hotrodz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: NW, AZ Posts: 9,330 Drives: 10 Nissan 370z Nismo Rep Power: 2684385	I am right there with you. I want to fit into TT 1 so I need to stay over 3100 and 3200 would be better for the power to weight ratio I am shooting for. If I can't get get there then it is TT U and then I will start shaving even more off. I left the driver's passenger windows in because I still want to drive it on the street from time to time. Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk __________________ *Fast Intentions TT Installed and Tuned by Seb at SpecialtyZ 610whp 560tq:\|Fast Intentions 3" TT-TDX*\|SpecialtyZ/Fast Intentions 72 Row Oil Cooler\|SZ 6 Puck Clutch & Flywheel\|3GsCustoms\|Z1\|Wavetrac\|Hotchkis\|Whiteline \|Blitz\|Fortune Auto 500\|Fujimura\|SPL\|H&R\|TK\|TWM\|RPM Rollbar\|Sparco\|Next Level Performance\|TrackSpec\|AeroFlow Dynamics\|Pioneer\|

12-23-2020, 05:27 PM	#36 (permalink)
03threefiftyz Track Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: MD Posts: 536 Drives: 03 350z 6mt Rep Power: 17	Biggest weight savings you are going to get is the doors. They are incredible heavy fully dressed with windows, crash bar, etc. My doors are something like 60+lbs per door lighter than stock. That really isn't an option unless you have a full cage, though. Dry carbon doors can be pretty cost prohibitive for most, however, and some of the vendor offerings for carbon doors are not a whole lot lighter than skinning the factory doors once you get hinges on, etc. Hotrodz likes this.

12-23-2020, 09:19 PM	#38 (permalink)
JARblue A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Austin, TX Age: 44 Posts: 36,450 Drives: 11 Z34, 98 E36 M3 Rep Power: 2684441	What if you rebuild the chassis out of titanium? I bet that would get you some weight savings! Jmatchley86 likes this. __________________ 2011 370Z 6MT Sport Gun Metallic \| ARC \| CJM \| Ecutek \| FI \| Fujimura \| R2C \| SPL \| Stillen \| TWM \| Z1 \| ZSpeed \|

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