Hotchkis sway bar question.

synolimit · 07-07-2015, 03:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onzedge

The rear makes all the difference. People who tell you otherwise are misinformed or have not actually run Hotchkis and are parroting (repeating) something they have heard.

Run the rears in the middle position.

onzedge™ has written

Whether people have done it or not, when someone like Clint speaks up, most people listen

onzedge · 07-07-2015, 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by synolimit

Whether people have done it or not, when someone like Clint speaks up, most people listen

I listen to, and heed, only the 35 years of experience I have driving, restoring, racing, modifying, wrecking and rebuilding Z cars (and other assorted Datsuns and Nissans). The only "Clint" of whom I am aware and whose advice I would even consider as valid is Clint Eastwood and I do not see him here on our beloved forum.

synolimit · 07-07-2015, 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onzedge

I listen to, and heed, only the 35 years of experience I have driving, restoring, racing, modifying, wrecking and rebuilding Z cars (and other assorted Datsuns and Nissans). The only "Clint" of whom I am aware and whose advice I would even consider as valid is Clint Eastwood and I do not see him here on our beloved forum.

How about Doran racing then that has 2 cars and some of the best Z drivers in the Continental tire racing series? What about the people at Stance coilovers? I could go on but if Doran runs a bar they custom make and it's WAY stiffer than even the Hotchkis AND they run the OEM rear as all others are to stiff then I have to side with them. Unless I'm talking to one of them right now? Are you BJ??

onzedge · 07-07-2015, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by synolimit

How about Doran racing then that has 2 cars and some of the best Z drivers in the Continental tire racing series? What about the people at Stance coilovers? I could go on but if Doran runs a bar they custom make and it's WAY stiffer than even the Hotchkis AND they run the OEM rear as all others are to stiff then I have to side with them. Unless I'm talking to one of them right now? Are you BJ??

I do not know those folks and I am not BJ. That is an unfortunate name though.

gomer_110 · 07-06-2015, 08:20 PM

My Hotchkis rear is sitting on my floor at the moment only cause I haven't had a chance to through it in the attic. The rear is absolutely worthless. Personaly, I found even the Eibach rear bar to be too stiff. I'm running autox though, so my setup might not be exactly what you're looking for. fwiw I'm not even running a rear bar anymore.

axmea? · 07-06-2015, 09:20 PM

You cannot rely entirely on what you hear from us or the internets. Ultimately, it is how you drive your car, your tires, set-up. etc. You will have to decide. If you decide not to use the rears - make a barbell....for big guns.....to help you make high speed corrections.

Hotrodz · 07-06-2015, 09:25 PM

I have an Eibach front bar set to full stiff and the oem Nismo rear bar. I removed the Eibach rear bar and went back to the Nismo bar as I was getting a lot of push with the rear bar set to the middle setting. I still have under steer but it is manageable and I will keep it there until I change out my front tires as they are SO-4s and my rears are RE-11s. I think the stiffer sidewalls on the RE-11's will make difference and I'm thinking of running in 275s as well.

Rusty · 07-06-2015, 09:42 PM

I got the Hotchkis bars. I have the rear set on the softest setting. On the street, it's fine. On the track, it's can get tail happy if I'm not careful with my driving. At the Tail of the Dragon. I got some push on some of the down hill hair-pins. Need bigger tires on the front.

Spooler · 07-06-2015, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusty

I got the Hotchkis bars. I have the rear set on the softest setting. On the street, it's fine. On the track, it's can get tail happy if I'm not careful with my driving. At the Tail of the Dragon. I got some push on some of the down hill hair-pins. Need bigger tires on the front.

Yeap, you need 285/35/19's. I am headed that way also. Need to address the factory camber also, needs a little more negative camber than stock settings. Outside edge of my fronts were taking a beating on the Dragon after I dusted the cobwebs off my slow driving.

Rusty · 07-06-2015, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spooler

Yeap, you need 285/35/19's. I am headed that way also. Need to address the factor camber also, needs a little more negative camber than stock settings. Outside edge of my fronts were taking a beating on the Dragon after I dusted the cobwebs off my slow driving.

May go with 305's.

Trips · 07-06-2015, 09:49 PM

I think for the novice drivers the low or med setting should be fine.

For the guys who push the HELL out of it? Doing without and staying oem like in my case will allow you to push the limits.

I don't condone the driving like a maniac on public roads without the rear Hotchkis bar

synolimit · 07-07-2015, 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trips

I think for the novice drivers the low or med setting should be fine.

For the guys who push the HELL out of it? Doing without and staying oem like in my case will allow you to push the limits.

I don't condone the driving like a maniac on public roads without the rear Hotchkis bar

Really? I'd think for a novice you'd want them to have more understeer and not oversteer. Ever see the mustang car event where 4-5 pull out and they all fishtail then end up crashing into the curb or into on coming traffic? I personally don't want a novice with more oversteer.

Spooler · 07-06-2015, 10:20 PM

This makes it easy. Hotchkis it is, with possible new garage lamp if it doesn't work out for the rear, sounds like that is a no go.

j-rho · 07-06-2015, 10:28 PM

The Hotchkis rear bar is stiffer than stock.

The car's handling balance is the sum of many factors, a stiffer rear bar doesn't automatically cause oversteer.

With 1100lb. front and 650lb. rear springs and Hotchkis bars (rear full soft) my car understeered a lot. With 700lb. rears and the rear bar in the middle, it still pushes. Going to 800lb. springs in the rear now, may end up higher.

A nice thing about the Hotchkis rear bar is it's adjustable - it's a great way to make a quick and relatively small change to the handling balance.

synolimit · 07-07-2015, 03:00 AM

Why not just buy the front, it's what I did.

PS I run no rear bar.

07-06-2015, 08:20 PM	#5 (permalink)
gomer_110 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Perrysburg, OH Posts: 17,992 Drives: '11 Nismo #528 GM Rep Power: 36942	My Hotchkis rear is sitting on my floor at the moment only cause I haven't had a chance to through it in the attic. The rear is absolutely worthless. Personaly, I found even the Eibach rear bar to be too stiff. I'm running autox though, so my setup might not be exactly what you're looking for. fwiw I'm not even running a rear bar anymore. __________________ '11 370Z Nismo #528 Fast Intentions \| Stillen \| Motordyne \| Uprev \| CSF \| Zspeed \| Z1 Motorsports \| AST \| Swift \| SPC \| SPL \| Whiteline \| Hotchkis \| Bride \| Schroth \| Robispec \| Cusco \| Nismo \| Volk \| Forgestar \| Hoosier \| RJM '17 Titan Bone Stock

07-06-2015, 09:20 PM	#6 (permalink)
axmea? A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,243 Drives: WELL ZED PW 6MT Rep Power: 53243	You cannot rely entirely on what you hear from us or the internets. Ultimately, it is how you drive your car, your tires, set-up. etc. You will have to decide. If you decide not to use the rears - make a barbell....for big guns.....to help you make high speed corrections. Eagle, DEpointfive0 and wideglideleon like this. __________________ >MyZ's Album< NISMO Convert/ECUTEK/Takeda CAI/F.I. HFC NR CB Carbon/F.I. 34 Row Oil Cooler/4.08 Final Drive /Powertrix+Swifts/Hotchkis/SPL/Whiteline/TWM/Zoom Engineering/EVO-R/AeroJacket Vented CF Fenders + CF Spoiler/Avant Garde-WORK/NST/Morimoto Halo/STi Clear Lenses/Carbon Signal Automotive/RJM Performance/ZSpeed Clutch Flywheel CSC delete Last edited by axmea?; 07-06-2015 at 09:27 PM.

07-06-2015, 09:25 PM	#7 (permalink)
Hotrodz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: NW, AZ Posts: 9,330 Drives: 10 Nissan 370z Nismo Rep Power: 2684386	I have an Eibach front bar set to full stiff and the oem Nismo rear bar. I removed the Eibach rear bar and went back to the Nismo bar as I was getting a lot of push with the rear bar set to the middle setting. I still have under steer but it is manageable and I will keep it there until I change out my front tires as they are SO-4s and my rears are RE-11s. I think the stiffer sidewalls on the RE-11's will make difference and I'm thinking of running in 275s as well. __________________ *Fast Intentions TT Installed and Tuned by Seb at SpecialtyZ 610whp 560tq:\|Fast Intentions 3" TT-TDX*\|SpecialtyZ/Fast Intentions 72 Row Oil Cooler\|SZ 6 Puck Clutch & Flywheel\|3GsCustoms\|Z1\|Wavetrac\|Hotchkis\|Whiteline \|Blitz\|Fortune Auto 500\|Fujimura\|SPL\|H&R\|TK\|TWM\|RPM Rollbar\|Sparco\|Next Level Performance\|TrackSpec\|AeroFlow Dynamics\|Pioneer\|

07-06-2015, 09:42 PM	#8 (permalink)
Rusty A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 70 Posts: 35,574 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684440	I got the Hotchkis bars. I have the rear set on the softest setting. On the street, it's fine. On the track, it's can get tail happy if I'm not careful with my driving. At the Tail of the Dragon. I got some push on some of the down hill hair-pins. Need bigger tires on the front. Hotrodz and Spooler like this. __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html

07-06-2015, 09:49 PM	#11 (permalink)
Trips Administrator Join Date: May 2009 Location: Disneyland Posts: 8,736 Drives: 🔰 Rep Power: 10	I think for the novice drivers the low or med setting should be fine. For the guys who push the HELL out of it? Doing without and staying oem like in my case will allow you to push the limits. I don't condone the driving like a maniac on public roads without the rear Hotchkis bar Hotrodz likes this. __________________ Last edited by Trips; 07-06-2015 at 10:11 PM.

07-06-2015, 10:20 PM	#13 (permalink)
Spooler A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ga Posts: 14,160 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 2684394	This makes it easy. Hotchkis it is, with possible new garage lamp if it doesn't work out for the rear, sounds like that is a no go. Last edited by Spooler; 07-06-2015 at 10:23 PM.

07-06-2015, 10:28 PM	#14 (permalink)
j-rho Base Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: San Diego Posts: 154 Drives: 1967 Camaro Z28 Rep Power: 12	The Hotchkis rear bar is stiffer than stock. The car's handling balance is the sum of many factors, a stiffer rear bar doesn't automatically cause oversteer. With 1100lb. front and 650lb. rear springs and Hotchkis bars (rear full soft) my car understeered a lot. With 700lb. rears and the rear bar in the middle, it still pushes. Going to 800lb. springs in the rear now, may end up higher. A nice thing about the Hotchkis rear bar is it's adjustable - it's a great way to make a quick and relatively small change to the handling balance.

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
[WTB] FT: Whiteline front sway bar for Hotchkis sway trade	scruffydog	Parts for sale (Private Classifieds)	0	08-01-2014 11:22 AM
[WTB] WTB: Hotchkis front sway or Nismo rear sway	BuckeyeZ	Parts for sale (Private Classifieds)	10	04-28-2014 11:12 AM
[FOR SALE] Hotchkis Sway Bar Set (NJ)	TheNose	Parts for sale (Private Classifieds)	9	12-12-2013 04:22 PM
[FOR SALE] Hotchkis Sway Set	ParkStr8	Parts for sale (Private Classifieds)	6	06-10-2013 05:56 PM
[FOR SALE] Hotchkis Sway Bar	370z40	Parts for sale (Private Classifieds)	13	12-23-2012 07:34 PM