2021 Formula 1 Thread

[DLSTR]

Utterly predictable:

Verstappen gets penalty for F1 Italian GP incident with Hamilton
By:
Jonathan Noble
Sep 12, 2021, 12:50 PM
Max Verstappen will take a three-place grid drop for Formula 1’s Russian Grand Prix after stewards said he was to blame for the crash with Lewis Hamilton at Monza.

[Ventruck]

Not trying to shade Lewis, I feel like roles reversed could've seen different penalties again.
Otherwise I'm not putting much weight in this incident. It's not like anyone should hang on to this end of season like this was the deciding race. I would've felt that more about Silverstone and Hungary, especially since they happened right after each other.

If everything goes smooth, though. Lewis should have next week in the bag. Inevitable team orders to try give him pole are lined up since they're guaranteed Max will start no higher than 4th. But again, Max will likely get a better start then whoever is between him and Mercedes.

[Ventruck]

Happy for McLaren and a long overdue win for Riccardo, but Bottas was something else. Last to 3rd.

[JARblue]

Originally Posted by Ventruck

Happy for McLaren and a long overdue win for Riccardo, but Bottas was something else. Last to 3rd.

The guys on ESPN were giving Bottas soooo much shìt at the end for not being able to pass Perez, too. Didn't say anything about his race to that point. Fuckin tools

[abm89]

Originally Posted by JARblue

The guys on ESPN were giving Bottas soooo much shìt at the end for not being able to pass Perez, too. Didn't say anything about his race to that point. Fuckin tools

LOL ESPN

They suck.

[DLSTR]

Originally Posted by JARblue

The guys on ESPN were giving Bottas soooo much shìt at the end for not being able to pass Perez, too. Didn't say anything about his race to that point. Fuckin tools

Bottas had the skill but tires were going away! Got 3rd nicely as Perez cant understand cutting corners and keeping places is foul. Bottas may not always be LH-fast, but Perez is clearly not as fast or savvy as Bottas!!!!!!!!!!!

[JARblue]

I just had to laugh at Max forcing the issue and Hamilton not backing down. Not terribly different from their last incident when Max had to retire. I think it would be interesting to see them be able to race side by side without incident but it'll never happen.

After that horrendous pitstop Max was pissed, sorta like: I'm taking my ball and going home and I'm going to stab your ball, too, Lewis

[abm89]

I'll take a McLaren 1-2! They said "We're back!" and kicked the f-ing door down! Zak lookin' like the proudest dad is wholesome AF. I'm 100% for it!

I can see why Max got the penalty. As explained in the stewards report, he was never fully alongside Lewis at any point into the corner. The grid penalty is simply because of the DNF, otherwise I bet the stewards would issue the 10s penalty.

I think the move itself wasn't egregious, but ill-advised. Lewis was already on a defensive line coming out of the pits, so lining him up for the next chicane would have been an easier attempt IMO. Even cutting straight across (like Perez) would have netted him a chance to finish the race. I'm sure some of you will reference "hindsight" but I felt this was a crash just by the positioning of both their cars around pit exit. As far as Lewis's part in this, I'm not surprised he shut the door. Max has done this same thing to him in Imola, Spain, and even Lap 1 at Monza. I'm sure Lewis has decided enough is enough, so expect more incidents like this. He may get more penalties because of this, but I'm sure he's done caring. As long as neither of them try some Senna or Schumacher tactics, I'm for the shenanigans.

The accident itself was made worse by the orange kerb. They need to get rid of those. A launched car not good for anyone.

[ZCanadian]

Originally Posted by abm89

I'll take a McLaren 1-2! They said "We're back!" and kicked the f-ing door down! Zak lookin' like the proudest dad is wholesome AF. I'm 100% for it!

I can see why Max got the penalty. As explained in the stewards report, he was never fully alongside Lewis at any point into the corner. The grid penalty is simply because of the DNF, otherwise I bet the stewards would issue the 10s penalty.

I think the move itself wasn't egregious, but ill-advised. Lewis was already on a defensive line coming out of the pits, so lining him up for the next chicane would have been an easier attempt IMO. Even cutting straight across (like Perez) would have netted him a chance to finish the race. I'm sure some of you will reference "hindsight" but I felt this was a crash just by the positioning of both their cars around pit exit. As far as Lewis's part in this, I'm not surprised he shut the door. Max has done this same thing to him in Imola, Spain, and even Lap 1 at Monza. I'm sure Lewis has decided enough is enough, so expect more incidents like this. He may get more penalties because of this, but I'm sure he's done caring. As long as neither of them try some Senna or Schumacher tactics, I'm for the shenanigans.

The accident itself was made worse by the orange kerb. They need to get rid of those. A launched car not good for anyone.

Lewis should have shut the door on Turn 1 and forced Max to take the escape road, not waited until turn-in for Turn 2. Easy to say in hind sight, but showing Max a gap and then making it disappear when he started to see Max's wing behind his left wheel, when the Red Bull had no where to go, was pretty dirty. I don't think it was calculated, but it made the collision inevitable.

Max could not have hoped to make Turn 2 on the line he was taking, without collecting Lewis or pushing him off the track.

But Lewis could have put his elbows out earlier and owned the chicane, or avoided the accident by opening up at Turn 2, and Toto would have argued with the stewards to give the place back later in the race. He is not at fault, but he wore his bad decisions.

Thankfully, Max had the diff set to open for the chicane, so the right rear wheel didn't rotate. I'm thinking they would have been otherwise collecting Lewis' helmet, and its contents, off the track! Shudder to think of what that accident would have looked like pre-halo!

[abm89]

Originally Posted by ZCanadian

Lewis should have shut the door on Turn 1 and forced Max to take the escape road, not waited until turn-in for Turn 2. Easy to say in hind sight, but showing Max a gap and then making it disappear when he started to see Max's wing behind his left wheel, when the Red Bull had no where to go, was pretty dirty. I don't think it was calculated, but it made the collision inevitable.

Max could not have hoped to make Turn 2 on the line he was taking, without collecting Lewis or pushing him off the track.

But Lewis could have put his elbows out earlier and owned the chicane, or avoided the accident by opening up at Turn 2, and Toto would have argued with the stewards to give the place back later in the race. He is not at fault, but he wore his bad decisions.

Thankfully, Max had the diff set to open for the chicane, so the right rear wheel didn't rotate. I'm thinking they would have been otherwise collecting Lewis' helmet, and its contents, off the track! Shudder to think of what that accident would have looked like pre-halo!

I have to agree after watching Jolyon’s analysis yesterday, there was enough space for Lewis to safely cut him off before getting to turn 1. He should have telegraphed it as “there’s no Fing way you’re getting through here Max”

However, it was hilarious to see Max attempt that on Felipe in 2017 and still crash out. Massa was even more demonstrative with his shutting of the door.

I disagree with the statement that the tactic was “dirty”. It’s just hard racing.

[DLSTR]

Originally Posted by abm89

I have to agree after watching Jolyon’s analysis yesterday, there was enough space for Lewis to safely cut him off before getting to turn 1. He should have telegraphed it as “there’s no Fing way you’re getting through here Max”

However, it was hilarious to see Max attempt that on Felipe in 2017 and still crash out. Massa was even more demonstrative with his shutting of the door.

I disagree with the statement that the tactic was “dirty”. It’s just hard racing.

Max has been racing a long time overall. He has habits and is slow to change them it appears. His loss if he doesnt race a touch smarter than harder.

So much like his hot headed Papa

[DLSTR]

FIA sees no need to change Monza kerbs after Verstappen/Hamilton clash
By:
Filip Cleeren
Co-author:
Adam Cooper
Sep 14, 2021, 4:21 AM
FIA race director Michael Masi doesn't believe the sausage kerbs at Monza's first chicane require any changes in the wake of the clash between Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen at the Italian Grand Prix.

[ZCanadian]

WTF1???
https://www.planetf1.com/news/saudi-...la-1-takeover/

Planet F1 reporting rumours of Saudi interests considering the purchase of F1 from Liberty Media.

[DLSTR]

Originally Posted by ZCanadian

WTF1???
https://www.planetf1.com/news/saudi-...la-1-takeover/

Planet F1 reporting rumours of Saudi interests considering the purchase of F1 from Liberty Media.

Liberty are looking to get out? Sure why not. Viewership is up and they have F1 TV and Social Media set up. New races etc. Sell it.

F1 is dying. What is next after the new PU in 26?? No one knows..............

They E motive world is here. E is taking over the design of the next PU. More E and then add bio-fuel with less energy than pump fuel they use now. It will burn cleaner but have less energy density. Then what? E - Electric. By 2030 the infrastructure will be developed more fully to support E vs ICE.

Makers including Mercedes are going full E. The public will be E indoctrinated.

F1 will be what?????????

[abm89]

Originally Posted by DLSTR

Liberty are looking to get out? Sure why not. Viewership is up and they have F1 TV and Social Media set up. New races etc. Sell it.

F1 is dying. What is next after the new PU in 26?? No one knows..............

They E motive world is here. E is taking over the design of the next PU. More E and then add bio-fuel with less energy than pump fuel they use now. It will burn cleaner but have less energy density. Then what? E - Electric. By 2030 the infrastructure will be developed more fully to support E vs ICE.

Makers including Mercedes are going full E. The public will be E indoctrinated.

F1 will be what?????????

I feel like I’m watching DTS when reading your comments.