PayPal is stepping in... things are looking positive!

No disrespect to you OP, just saying that this forum and others like it should be about our passion for the cars we love and enjoy, but many use this to get over, cheat and rip off hard working people that trust the core element of the forum itself and it drives me crazy. Glad to see that Paypal is moving in your favor, Good Luck man.

:iagree: It is so much easier and time consuming to get on the phone with someone who can rationalize whereas a computer cannot.

:tup: Hope it goes well Pooya!

and I agree with you... but **** happens and all we can do is deal with it.

Unfortunately, things aren't going in my favor yet. but they are moving forward. he has till Dec 3rd to respond.

Thanks Gavin! I hope so too...

The guy shipped the exhaust and I have the tracking number. I called UPS store and he charged me twice as much for shipping but UPS guy told me the exhaust is in there.

thank goodness for you man...

Sweet. Hope there is nothing damaged.

Some people just need gentle persuasion.


http://static2.fjcdn.com/comments/Qu...1ed1ec4cda.jpg

:ugh2: looks like there is much more than a little drowning persuasion going on there... :wtf2:

You just have to time it right. Like when your mom used to count to 3 before throwing the shoe at your head.

I usually got the "put you over my knee and spank you" punishment from mom when I got in trouble. If I got in bad trouble dad came in with the belt after work.
Closest I got to dodging it was when my mom spanked me and I put a hardcover children's book down the back of my pants thinking she wouldn't notice when she spanked me. :wtf2:


Anyways... Pooya, need an update brotha!

Lmao that's funny... I've tried something like that too but usually gets them going more


Anyway. PayPal closed the case because tracking shows delivered. I picked up the exhaust, there are no bolts or nuts. Main problem is a huge scrape on a muffler which I was not made aware of. Part of me wants to just say **** it. What should I do?

Lets see pics of the muffler scrape and then you call paypal and let them know that even though the claim has been closed the product was not in the condition as it was described and sold to you, nor was it brought to your attention or disclosed at time of sale.

The nuts bolts and gaskets you can call Kevin at Fast Intentions and he should be able to give you a deal on them.

What I don't want to deal with is shipping it back. There you go:


http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12...5eeba9888d.jpg
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12...3ee9971d60.jpg
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12...fba4033bee.jpg
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12...61f7108f4e.jpg
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12...529f49c580.jpg

Buff and polish that out and see how it looks. And... It's under the car, so function > looks, unless your building a show car.

That's pretty major damage to have not been disclosed prior to sale. If there were no pics and you didn't request them, that's on you, unfortunately. If he shared pics without showing the damage, that is outright deception.

But if you are happy with the price you paid for the product you got (regardless of how the transaction went), then I'm in agreement with jsutton above. Buff and polish it a bit if you want, but you'll never see it without getting down on your hands and knees.

The scrapes do look pretty bad but I agree with both of them above :iagree:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d1...psvcaoxntc.jpg

Bolts/nuts not in the box

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d1...ps5mthbdwn.jpg

He did send me videos but nothing showing the scrapes or dings in the cans

This is the photo he had on his ad. Now that I look at it, I can see parts that may have been edited out poorly with photoshop

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d1...psbfdy1vun.jpg

Cool Now you can open a new claim regarding the condition and keep the money and the product as well :tup:

I'm sure if we get an opinion from one of the photoshop gang that can vouche for some use of the photo editing kind. Wasn't this the guy that was selling them for like $850 and said it came off of his girlfriend's Z or some bs?

I want what's fair for both parties. That would be unfair to him.

I spoke with Kevin from FI and he quoted me $325 + $70 shipping to US border for one side muffler section. I'd settle for just one side even tho the other side has a few dents too with the tip scratched up.

it's 100% modified:
FotoForensics - Analysis

:stirthepot: silly scammer photoshop is for Cooltoy! :rolleyes:


File another claim with paypal and give them the modified picture, the quote from Kevin at FI, and give them the messages.

They have to do something at that point.

You are being far too generous. The other party gave up their right to fair play as soon as they photoshopped that pic.

You should be getting all your money back and then you'll be able to either fix those or get a new exhaust system and sell that one for profit. except not photo shopped this time :tup:

Wow Zefaulter just when I thought you were gonna get it in the end…….

Now couple days later I check in and see what has gone on and cannot believe how low some people will go :shakes head:

Someone explain what we're looking for? I can't see ****!

Look at the black marks on the mufflers, looks like a burn or fade tool has been used to modify any scrapes or dents in the pictures.

Birdman is correct!

short explanation is, you're supposed to see the same amount of compression artifacts all over the photo. Instead, the photo looks "Cleaned up" in one specific area. That's how you know it's been modified.


slightly Longer explanation: Jpeg format uses a compression algorithm that introduces a specific type of artifact. Each time you save a jpg photo, more of them get added and because of that, the more you save a jpg file, the more artifacts you will have.
Now, imagine you saved this blurry not so sharp photo a bunch of times before. You edit it and save it one more time. what you did was remove those previous artifacts on a specific area you just touched up. After you save the file again, you will have a cleaner portion in your image that stands out in tests like these.


I just added some brightness to the photo so maybe it's more obvious:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d1...psdupj0pgl.jpg

Ok, makes sense now. That's pretty low class to go through such effort to deceive some body out of their money. I hoe PayPal could do something like a partial refund for the damage.

Paypal should be refunding the entire amount for misrepresentation. Any sale is legally binding.

Ummmmmm... The pic you posted is of the TOP of the mufflers, same as what's in the ad. The scrapes are on the bottom.

There could have been damage to the top of the mufflers?
Let's see those videos if you still have them too Pooya, Cause if those scrapes and dents aren't in the video either that clear misrepresentation.

You're right **** doesn't take away from the fact that they are scraped tho

The photo forensics still shows a tampered photo though. Doesn't take away the fact that the damage we were previously talking about was on the other side of the mufflers.

Who's the member?

I would like to see what he has to say.

He has 2013 in his name and only 4-5 posts. I looked him up before but can't seem to find it now, ill look around

From what I remember, because I saw this post too when I was looking for my fast intentions exhaust but didn't do it because I was having other problems with the Z, is that he made an account on the forums to be able to sell the exhaust off of his gf's/friends Z for them. Don't know how effective contacting him through the forum would be, worth a shot. Looks like Pooya talked to him mainly through FB.
I tried looking around through the For Sale threads but cant find the thread. either that or over looked it.
I would try your Subscribed threads and messages Pooya

Found it: 2013zboii

I see he has not bothered to log on since 7-22-15

So was this sale thru pm's?

All I can do is remove his access to the classifieds and remove access to PM.

One of my pet peeves is people that put things for sale and don't bother to clean them up.

It was posted on 370z FB page. Only been in contact with him on FB. He's no longer a Z owner so no point removing him although it's completely up to you. Thanks for the offer :)

Pooya sent me updated pics via FB over the weekend and the damage is still pretty substantial to both mufflers, tips and axlebacks. Without it being fixed, he runs the risk of accidentally hitting a portion of the muffler that is already damaged and causing a hole/crack to form an exhaust leak VERY EASILY, whereas if these portions were undamaged then he would be in a better situation and chance of not forming a hole/crack in the exhaust.

With Kevin at Fast Intention quoting Pooya about $385 for each axleback section (includes shipping in price) that would be $770 and from what I remember this item was only listed for $750. Do not know if Pooya is comfortable sharing what he exactly paid for the item, but if he did say pay the $750, in the insurance game we call that a total loss and $750 would be paid to the insured.

I'm still told Pooya to push for a full refund of his money through paypal due to the extent of the damage and deception of the condition for the sale. Fraud is illegal haha

Also another for you Pooya, See if paypal will include him paying for the shipping for the damaged item back to him :tup: