Porsche thinks so as well since they left their PDK transmission on the shelf for that one lol

That's not what "law of averages" means.

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The GTS may be a better buy with a 125 shot of NOS?

:wtf2:

:facepalm:In the way of power seating and overdoing the comforts and conveniences.

I think power seats and navigation systems fit on a sports car more than a 125 shot of NOS but maybe that's just me. :icon17:

I agree, sports cars can and should be relatively simple. I'm more of a Grand Touring kind of guy I guess, because every time I get a car that's stripped down and simple I'm like "WHERE IS MY ******* AWESOME RADIO AND WHY ARE THESE SEATS NOT LEATHER?"

The Z touring seats are great. But the base seats hold you in way better. The cloth is grippier and its really easy to clean. Nissan did a great job on the base seats. So great, I don't miss my leather multi-position G seats. I guess I'm not a grand tourer... To each his own. :tiphat:

i will admit i love my touring seats and wouldn't have any others but i see unknown's points here.

i feel its a matter of taste and opinion. i personally like touring seats and nav. wouldnt get a car without nav pretty much if i have a choice. but everyone is different.

as for the 125 shot of NOS welllllll i'll never say no to more POWAHHHHHHHHHH

Alcanatara Recaros > Cloth seats

But you are right about the base seats/cloth NISMO seats, they are really great.

I like more power but I don't like NOS, too "my car is fast, but only for 10 seconds at a time." It's not like it recharges every time you bump an opponent like in the video games. :icon17:

NOS seems like more of a drag racing thing. IMO it doesn't go with a sports car. YMMV. :tiphat:

The recaro's are greater due to overall seat design. Alcantara helps grip but if they were leather? You'd still be held in place by Recaro Bolsters. That said... The Recaro's are smokin' hot!!

yeah the thing now days is, the idea of sports car, isnt the same. Theres a diff between race car (aka strip it down) vs sports car.

Im not gonna think that 25lb's worth of stuff added to my corvette is going to ruin the car. Sure, stripping 300lb' would make a big diff but 25lb nothing. If i cared that much, id lose 20lb's by working out and then run with only exact amount of gas I need per session and remove all carpeting, plastics etc. Heck adding a go pro adds just as much weigh as my built in PDR, but I get all the data work.

I bet unknown, for all hes talking about a sports car shouldnt have all that, would not strip his car of carpet, matts, underhood plastics, underhood shroud etc on the street and he wouldnt even bother with it at the track. So discussing a few lb's worth of awesome luxuries is kinda moot.

I do love my competition seats, with seat warmers and cooler. The heads up display is frikin awesome. The PDR is damn good and really helped me understand where I can improve.

Im not gonna pretend that im even close to being good enough to where the weight will matter for the way I drive the car on the track. And even if i get to that point, suspension tuning, wheels, etc will help more initially than weight. It makes zero difference when off the track, and so unless Unknown is a badass race car driver and tracks the car at least 50% of its life, the whole arguement of weight and less is more, does not really pertain to us.

had to cut some of that down lol but yes I agree with that all. 20-30 pounds isn't much and with a little exercise boom there you go lol

speaking of your car I want to get a ride in it at zdayz. :tiphat:

Wow, the H8? You could't express your opinion without throwing me in your condescending ways...

Why I don't pay extra for touring pkg in the Z and in most 2 seat sports cars...

1) I fit really well in most of the narrow base seats in these types of cars.
2) The trunks in these cars are too tiny for long road trips so I exclude NAV.
3) I would add HUD and other Performance tech to a car
4) Power seats with A FIREWALL against my back is useless, especially considering that FOR ME, the positioning in base sports seats fits my body well.
5) I gutted my trunk to put a JL Audio W6 sub and my sound system is custom, No need for the touring wacky doo sound system.
6) NOS, notice in my statement, I added NOS with a question mark as it is subjective opinion and suggestion...

As far as me being racer? What's it to you if I am or I'm not? You live in my world? You pay my medical bills if I get in an accident or killed? you pay my insurance? My status in how I drive is not up for your debate. And not once did I make it a weight discussion in this thread...

Lastly, I NEVER mentioned weight as the factor in my decision, but fat cars don't feel agile, so when buying a car, I like the lighter ones with the best power to weight ratio. Again, my subjective opinion.

oh, and my 240 and rx7 was stripped, no not my Z.

It's not like you'd be buying any of these car to start with if a "true" sports car was the end goal. The Z looks like a tank next to an S2000, which is a pig next to an Atom.

1) I fit really well in most of the narrow base seats in these types of cars.
A) Not all cars will be built with you mind. having seat adjustments is nice. Especially when the bolsters are adjustable in something like a competition seat, which happens to have power and heating and cooling.
2) The trunks in these cars are too tiny for long road trips so I exclude NAV.
A) you dont need to pack so much for long road trips. Ski trip? thats diff. Zdayz stuff easily fits in the trunk of most cars.
3) I would add HUD and other Performance tech to a car
A) dude the HUD is awesome feature.
4) Power seats with A FIREWALL against my back is useless, especially considering that FOR ME, the positioning in base sports seats fits my body well.
A) Why does a firewall against your back batter for power seats? It would still be there for non power seats. If the company that made the car, has a huge difference in the way the seats are positioned, they did it wrong. Comp seats have power, heating, air and sit as low as the base seats. Remember this discussion isnt just about your current car, but cars in general
5) I gutted my trunk to put a JL Audio W6 sub and my sound system is cutom, No need for the touring wacky doo sound system.
A) once again, in your car yes, but the 11 speaker audio system works great in mine.
6) NOS, notice in my statement, I added NOS with a question mark as it is subjective opinion and suggestion...
A) I didnt really touch upon NOS, how you wanna mod is your choice.

Didnt mean to be condesencing towards you directly. Just more a general statement that tons of people always throw around about car is a pig blah blah, weight blah blah, speed blah blah when 99% of these people dont track, push, etc. I track mine when I can but even i know im a sucky driver compared to most i see out on the track.

P.S. the c7 definitely feels EXTREMELY Agile.. you really gotta try one.

yup. The Truest form of a sports car I think you can buy is a Gt3 RS. funny though thats it not the fastest 911 though.

GT3RS is a racecar????? lol It has a race mode. The GTS is a sports car. A Cayman S is a sports car, A Z is a sports car an S2000 is out of production

3.2 secondds to 60 makes the RS the FASTEST NA Porsche :facepalm:


By the way. 100Mustang GT350's and 37 GT350R's for production. Sooo the masses seeing the GT350 is out.

sports car was the term used..

Man you must have some serious comprehension issues.

closest race car we can get is a C7R (not the factory ordered stickered z06 version). boss 302 R, etc etc.

Opinions are like ********. No one of us should have to defend our choices to anyone. :icon17:

nope but you should defend your asshole in a few short days when we are at ZdayZ :stirthepot:

Alot of guys have to defend their buttholes from people who like to plunder buttholes... especially in prison

i'll be seeing you soon :yum:

I'm confused (hence the ??????)ur calling it a sports car. As it is stripped out with no door handles and all racing bits. THE RS IS A RACECAR. READ the whole thing I gave examples of Porsche sports cars. You have comprehension issues.

GO BACK AND READ

Jail-Style FP.... Jail Style! lol.

wait there's other styles than just jail style!?:eekdance:

Jail style is Rough/No Gel
Lifer style. No gel but you cuddle. lol

:wtf2:

The RS is a race car?

No.

it has floor mats
heated seats
18 way power seats (optional)
heated and electronically controlled side mirrors
navigation and audio upgrades (optional)
heck it has homelink standard!
as is a luggage net?
Regular seat belts.. not any form of harness.

Doesnt sound like a racecar to me. Sounds like a sports car.

The STANDARD SEATING IS A Full on bucket seat that is POWERLESS with HARNESS SLOTS, you can add the sport seat and only has one seat option after the standard bucket. Everything the RS is designed for is track duty and it street liveable. Thats a street legal race car. The GT3 is a sports car.
RS is more focused still. Go to your porsche site and check standard seats for the GT3RS.

Porsche adds the nav for the dumd arses who want a race car to drive on the street and not on the track... Cuz there are so many that do. If a dumbass rich dude wants nav in a 175,000 race car. you give it to him. Besides the only reason there's NAV on a GT3RS is because all the performance stat programs work via GPS satellite.


Sports Car With a Stock Roll Cage???????
http://www.google.com/aclk?sa=L&ai=C...252F911-gt3-rs


http://files1.porsche.com/filestore....18&w=448&h=252

LOOKS LIKE A RACECAR TO ME!!


Is that a TRACK in the Ad?
http://files3.porsche.com/filestore....a64c55f5c&s=25

Sports cars come with SPOILERS as high as the rooofline?

http://files3.porsche.com/filestore....9-001a64c55f5c

So a track in an add equals race car. Needing to add a harness is a race car. Home link is a race car

To add the racing and telemetry... Is NOt standard.. Which you would have expected on a race car

So i advise you to go check it out. A seat with slots for the harness doesnt mean anything. Ford recaros have em. Focus... Fiesta.. Heck the nismo juke has slots. Guess them is race cars.


Look. The evo and sti had high spoilers. As did the supra. Them must be race cars! Were the daytona and superbird racecars?

Bmw m4. Pure race car. Look i see a track

http://m.bmw.com/m/mobi/com/en/newve...oupe/index.cml

There a nismo z at the race track on nissans page. So race car

Its a Camaro thread, get on topic. You're wrong, period.
end of story. You picked the wrong example. If you said Gt-3, we'd both be right to a point. if you said, S GTS, Turbo. You'd be right with no rebuttal . But you chose the GT3RS as an example. Suck it up, You're wrong. Like the Z/28, its a street liveable racecar.

Described as a road based track car.

BMW,Doesnt come with harness ready seats, ceramic brakes, Body bracing, Dry sump lub with separate res. enlarged fuel tank, and race spoiler standard. You nit-picking like a girl on her period. Iggy list updated.

Porsche 911 GT3 RS
The interior of the RS is based on the current GT3, which means customers will be treated to the massive amount of Alcantara and the simple, yet sporty layout that comes with the latter

The interior of the 911 GT3 RS is based on the current GT3 model, which means customers will be treated to the massive amount of Alcantara and the simple, yet sporty layout that comes with the latter. Of course, the RS badge comes with a few features of its own, starting with a pair of full bucket seats, which are based on the carbon seats of the 918 Spyder. A quick comparison between the two interiors reveals the RS also boasts carbon-fiber inserts, race-spec, lightweight door handles, and a unique motorsport steering wheels with a yellow 12 o’clock stripe. Porsche also offers the Club Sport Package as standard, meaning the RS gets a bolted-on roll cage behind the front seats, preparation for a battery master switch, and a six-point safety harness for the driver and fire extinguisher with mounting bracket.

Customers looking for more race-spec goodies can select the optional Sport Chrono Package, which features integrated timers and the Porsche Track Precision app. The latter can be used to have lap times automatically measured via GPS, and to log data on a smartphone for parameters such as vehicle speed and lateral acceleration. The app not only manages track data, but also lets the driver share and compare it with other drivers, which will prove quite useful and fun after a long track weekend.

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Porsche 911 GT3 RS
After months of rumors, Porsche purists can finally lay their turbocharged fears to rest: the GT3 RS remains a naturally aspirated machine

After months of rumors, Porsche purists can finally lay their turbocharged fears to rest: the GT3 RS remains a naturally aspirated machine. However, the Germans decided to increase output by replacing the 3.8-liter unit found in the previous model a 4.0-liter flat-six. The powerplant cranks out 500 horsepower and 339 pound-feet of torque, which represents a 25-pony increase over the GT3 and a 50-horsepower improvement when compared to the previous GT3 RS. Interestingly enough, the new model is on par with the GT3 RS 4.0 version of the 997-generation 911, which was also motivated by a 4.0-liter engine. Although Porsche is mum on the matter, the units are likely identical.

As expected, the mill mates to a PDK transmission specifically developed for the GT3 RS. The combo enables the sports car to hit 62 mph in 3.3 seconds (0.6 seconds quicker than the previous GT3 RS 4.0) and 124 mph in 10.9 seconds. No word on top speed yet, but it should at least match the GT3’s, set at 195-mph. Fuel consumption is estimated at 12.7 l/100 km on the European combined cycle, which converts to around 18.5 U.S. mpg. However, I expect this figure to drop significantly after the EPA is done with the GT3 RS. For reference, the GT3 returns 15 mpg city and 20 mpg on the highway.

The 4.0-liter inline-six powerplant cranks out 500 horsepower and 339 pound-feet of torque

The new drivetrain also comes with functions such as declutching by "paddle neutral" — comparable to pressing the clutch with a conventional manual gearbox –- and Pit Speed, which allows speed limiting at the push of a button. Both features have been customized for motorsport use in order to provide drivers with more assistance when driving on a race track.

Rear-axle steering and Porsche Torque Vectoring Plus with fully variable rear axle differential lock further increase agility and dynamics, while the wider front and rear tracks enable improve roll stability in comparison to the 911 GT3. Fitted with the widest tires of any 911 production model as standard, the new RS also delivers more agile turn-in characteristics and higher cornering speeds.

That said, it’s not surprising the new GT3 RS lapped the Nurburgring track in only seven minutes and 20 seconds, shattering the Carrera GT’s record of just under seven minutes and 29 seconds.


Top gear says a 6 point harness is standard... As for looking at the options checklist. You can add PASM on a GTS tht has PASM standard, yet Porsches site will calculate it and charge you, so you need to look at the real spec sheet for the truth.... Money is throwin **** at me on a whim... https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...LXIfHvp7eMzcLQ

Dude every example uve given. I showed why its wrong. But thats okay. Your allowed to have your opinion, no matter how retarded and stupid. If youd just admit that all your examples are as silly as your thoughts on every car in this section, ill let ya go. Till then, ima stay on this topic about your pretty much wrong about everything, too stubborn and stupid to realize it. And have fun with ya.
Except for when work is over. Then i wont care to look. This is just entertainment while im at work. See ya Monday. Post up some more stupid stuff in the mean time for me so i have something to do then

This Camaro Sound clip is MURDEROUS!! 2 more weeks!

Next-Generation Camaro: #CamaroSix | Chevrolet

Modified MuscleCar ShowDown!!!
 

As a Good-bye to the Camaro5. I thought I'd put this Aftermarket, Musclecar showdown for fun and entertainment... Camaro enjoyed one generation as the Muscle-Car victor in many competitions and here's to continuity of success in the Camaro 6.

In 2015. They'll be in full production in 2015.



You should take your sports car argument to the OP of this thread:

http://www.the370z.com/other-vehicle...ou-choose.html

May 16th, 2015
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...Rx4OXbU6rGIgcQ

I haven't seen anything on the inside but if I get anything, will let you guys know ;) Let's just say someone works for one of the big three.

What do you mean? Are you talking about the camaro?