gtr went up against a real car

Nismo 370z

I would consider a Lotus Exige more of an Entry level exotic and a Viper would be a supercar. The ZR1, GTR, GT2, 430, Gallardo are all supercars. They dont fall in the same category as hypercars like the CGT, Murci, Enzo, Zonda, Veyron, CCR, MC F1, S7...thats my opinion.

Trips

Correction, Hypercar! and lots of money make a big difference.

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shabarivas

unless its sliced in 1/2

ssqpolo

exactly. and theres no way that v6 can sound like any of the above mentioned. v12s make me tingle. and the koenigsegg's v8 twin supercharged is out of this world. i dont even know why ppl compare other supercars to teh GTR like the veyron etc. I mean its flattering for a GTR owner, but we know that its meant for porsche, bmw, corvette, viper, etc.

RCZ

I'd put the GTR alongside the 911 turbo in a sports cars category. They don't have the figures, they dont have the exclusivity or the price tag to call them supercars. Maybe they can keep up for a few laps on the topgear track, but that alone doesn't make any car a supercar. If I build a Z that can run a few tenths off the Enzo's time, I still don't have a supercar. Supercars to me are Murcielagos, Enzos, SLR's, K-eggs, Carrera GTs, Zondas, McLaren F1's. Do you honestly thing the GT-R belongs in that group?

And I mean this in just a respectful manner, I love the GT-R don't get me wrong. The GT-R is a supercar slayer, but not a supercar itself.

And just so you see I come in peace, here's some eye candy for everyone. Gemballa released a Carbon-laden version of their mirage gt back in june.

MC

absolutely, its right there with most of them in almost everything except price. look at the ring times its faster than a carerra GT and a LP640. faster and a F430 scuderia. i mean raw #'s cant be disputed...less than 3.5 sec 0-60 low 11 1/4 miles proven lap times.. sure its not quite as exclusive as those of course but its still 85K car that sells like on average about 130 a month in the US. if it was the exact same car but costs double would it be more of a supercar in some peoples minds?

it might be semantics here but a supercar doesnt have to be an "exotic" more like whats on your list. for instance, just like a 997 TT/ GT3 are supercars a Z06/ZR1 are supercars a Viper is a Supercar. those are cars that dont have that elite mystique as the ones you listed but are as much supercars aswell right there with the GT-R. look at cars like R8's astons and maseratti's. those are very exclusive pricey and generally accepted supercars and except for special versions( like a v12 vantage or something) they arnt in the GT-Rs league performance wise

im not saying its the best car in the world as some fanboy... but im just saying i didnt know its supercar status was in question... i gotta stick up for it there...

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RCZ

Well, I think the only thing it has in common with them is the performance. Like you said its just semantics, we only differ on what we consider supercars. When I see a 911 Turbo, I don't think supercar. Supercars to me are those that make the Turbo look like a normal car. Like a Zonda makes Turbos and V10 R8's look tame by comparison.

The GTR doesnt have the over-the-top styling, the no-compromise materials and build or the uniqueness of a supercar. It's a super quick sports car. I'm not saying its not as fast, I just don't think I can put it in the same category as a Carrera GT. It certainly doesn't help that I see GT-R's every other day now...

I think your "exotics" are my "supercars".

On EVO they call your "generally accepted supercars" Hardcore Coupes...Just like I would...it's all semantics. I don't mean to belittle your car or take away from the fact that its a damn fast car, I can't emphasize that enough.

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/carg...vette_zr1.html

Push370zzz

True, but it is about the same spread with my mom's Sienna and a civic, the Sienna obviously being the Koeningsegg in this situation

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edeeZee

I didn't like the GTR from the get go. The styling is way too funky. It looks like an older gen Mitsu Eclipse fused together with a angular 350. I don't care that it costs 2.5X as much as my car, or that it can smoke it on the track and drag strip. I'd rather have a non-turbo 997 for the same amount of money. The Gundam-esque styling just doesn't grow on me, neither does the nearly 2-ton weight.

The R32 and R33 were the best.

MC

^ yeah thats what im sayin

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RCZ

Im not going to argue semantics, call your car what you will. There can't be a right and wrong answer when there is no specific definition of the word supercar.

Brazilbro

In Brazil the Z is a supercar since it does cost over 120k "dollars" to have one.
They have to be imported special order.

Cjanik

here's a "dictionary" description of the word supercar:
Supercar is a term generally used for a high-end sports car, whose performance is highly superior to that of its contemporaries. It has been defined specifically as "a very expensive, fast or powerful car with a centrally located engine", and stated in more general terms: "it must be very fast, with sporting handling to match," "it should be sleek and eye-catching" and its price should be "one in a rarefied atmosphere of its own. but the proper application of the term is subjective and disputed, especially among enthusiasts. The use of the term can be dependent on the era; a vehicle that may have been considered a supercar in one decade may not be considered the same in another decade. The term supercar may refer to factory-built, street-legal sports cars. Some vehicles referred to as supercars include many of the features required for race cars such as roll cages.

RCZ

When did Wikipedia become a "dictionary"? haha just playing, thanks.

KingDavid

If it runs at least 11's bone stock, it's a supercar.

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