gtr went up against a real car

RCZ

I'd put the GTR alongside the 911 turbo in a sports cars category. They don't have the figures, they dont have the exclusivity or the price tag to call them supercars. Maybe they can keep up for a few laps on the topgear track, but that alone doesn't make any car a supercar. If I build a Z that can run a few tenths off the Enzo's time, I still don't have a supercar. Supercars to me are Murcielagos, Enzos, SLR's, K-eggs, Carrera GTs, Zondas, McLaren F1's. Do you honestly thing the GT-R belongs in that group?

And I mean this in just a respectful manner, I love the GT-R don't get me wrong. The GT-R is a supercar slayer, but not a supercar itself.

And just so you see I come in peace, here's some eye candy for everyone. Gemballa released a Carbon-laden version of their mirage gt back in june.

MC

absolutely, its right there with most of them in almost everything except price. look at the ring times its faster than a carerra GT and a LP640. faster and a F430 scuderia. i mean raw #'s cant be disputed...less than 3.5 sec 0-60 low 11 1/4 miles proven lap times.. sure its not quite as exclusive as those of course but its still 85K car that sells like on average about 130 a month in the US. if it was the exact same car but costs double would it be more of a supercar in some peoples minds?

it might be semantics here but a supercar doesnt have to be an "exotic" more like whats on your list. for instance, just like a 997 TT/ GT3 are supercars a Z06/ZR1 are supercars a Viper is a Supercar. those are cars that dont have that elite mystique as the ones you listed but are as much supercars aswell right there with the GT-R. look at cars like R8's astons and maseratti's. those are very exclusive pricey and generally accepted supercars and except for special versions( like a v12 vantage or something) they arnt in the GT-Rs league performance wise

im not saying its the best car in the world as some fanboy... but im just saying i didnt know its supercar status was in question... i gotta stick up for it there...

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RCZ

Well, I think the only thing it has in common with them is the performance. Like you said its just semantics, we only differ on what we consider supercars. When I see a 911 Turbo, I don't think supercar. Supercars to me are those that make the Turbo look like a normal car. Like a Zonda makes Turbos and V10 R8's look tame by comparison.

The GTR doesnt have the over-the-top styling, the no-compromise materials and build or the uniqueness of a supercar. It's a super quick sports car. I'm not saying its not as fast, I just don't think I can put it in the same category as a Carrera GT. It certainly doesn't help that I see GT-R's every other day now...

I think your "exotics" are my "supercars".

On EVO they call your "generally accepted supercars" Hardcore Coupes...Just like I would...it's all semantics. I don't mean to belittle your car or take away from the fact that its a damn fast car, I can't emphasize that enough.

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/carg...vette_zr1.html