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Magic Bus

As an owner of a GTI and one who test drove a WRX and MS3, you guys are right to a certain extent. The GTI is the slowest of the 3.

Red6, base price of a 2013 GTI is $24,200. Base price of a same year WRX $25,795, WRX Premium $28,295, STI $34,295. Got my '11 GTI out the door for $23,600. But yes, you're right, the Subi's are faster.

Sh0vel, Since I own a GTI, I still give a ****. But granted, your MS3 is the faster car.

m4a1, Is correct, the GTI is a hell of a lot nicer inside and it doesn't stop there. The GTI rides better, plus it is a very balanced car in how it handles turns and bumps vs the aforementioned cars.

Think of it this way. Why do you guys drive and own Z's when the Mustang GT is the faster car and can be bought for the same price, if not cheaper? Speed is just one of the variable's in choosing a car that you like.

red6spd

Base price of a 4 door GTI is what I said it was. I used the 4 door to compare since thats the only way a WRX comes.

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DLSTR

Its called good business. If you have the money, why not it makes you more. The GTi is the standard all hatches try to attain. No one has done it yet. Have you driven one?? Plus the new Mk7 is out here now and will be in the US next year.
My Gti is as quiet-almost as my S-model Audi was. For a hatch/economy car its amazingly versatile and luxurious.
My Abarth 500 was much more raw. I do miss that car as well. The GTi is nice but the Abarth had a very cool edge.
Here in Europe, hatch wise there is soooo much to choose from its crazy.

Sh0velMan

That's the biggest bunch of hoo hah I've ever heard.

No I have not driven a Mk7, but I have driven more than one Mk6.

It wasn't any more comfortable than my MS3 was (when it was new) and versatile? i get it that Europeans have entirely different standards of utility, but come ON..

The MS3, I've carried half an apartment full of **** in the back of it, you can't get half as much stuff in the back of a GTI.

That back seat, even with the hilariously ugly 4 door model is so small, no adult can fit back there.

What does a GTI have that my MS3 (and this has been addressed in subsequent refreshes) doesn't have? Leather (if you pay for it) and a touch screen infotainment system (if you pay for it). Oh and an automatic (DSG) if you're lame.

It's slow. Don't get me wrong, it can get out of its own way and it certainly quicker than your average econobox car out there, but it is NOT a fast car and should NEVER be called anything like a "Sports Car" as it neither handles like one or goes like one.

It's not really more versatile than the cars it actually competes against in the real world. Only when compared to stuff like the Fiat 500 or small sedans with seats that don't lay down.


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DLSTR

You need some hooha amigo

-Never said it was fast
-Abarth seats laydown. You need to get out more
-So its not an MS3, never said it was better than anything you own
-Lame Auto DSG LOL? Oh I have a manual but the DSG is nice and shifts faster, whats wrong with a buyer having some options. I will never post again about a GTI here LOL!! You are an idiot.
You need help.

Sh0velMan

+1 for not understanding why anyone stills gives a **** about the GTI...

/MS3 owner
//And a Z obviously

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m4a1mustang

MS3.

Actually surprised there's been so much animosity between the MS3 and FST communities. I like them both.

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Sh0velMan

Works like this.

MS3 guys - hate how nice the FST is inside, wish they had it and the features you get with it (Sync, best recaros my *** as ever been in etc)

FST guys - hate how ******* fast MS3's are with zero effort

Grass is always greener.

I'd trade the MS3 for a FST without hesitation, but that's mostly cuz my MS3 is a daily driver beater, not my vroom vroom car.

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/Angelo350Z/

What is the big deal about a German Honda Civic? I lived in Germany for 4 years and owned 2 BMW E34s so I appreciate German engineering. Still not seeing the appeal with this FWD econobox though.

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Chuck33079

If they had used the Golf R, no one would have bitched. That's a nice car.

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m4a1mustang

Don't get me wrong, it's a nice car. But there is clearly a bias.

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Chuck33079

I haven't driven one in several generations. I've driven a golf r quite a bit. I'm not bashing the car. Three things will keep me from ever owning a gti. Vw's reliability history, fwd and those godawful plaid seats.

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Sh0velMan

If the GR wasn't so damned expensive, it would be a very noteworthy car and worth consideration as a moderately up-market 'sporty' ride.

You know, if it started @ $29K and topped out around $33-34 with options.

Instead, it starts @ $34 and tops out at nearly $37 for the 4 door with navigation, you know, if you want such luxuries as floor mats.

After TTL you're talking about a $40,000 goddamn Golf.

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UNKNOWN_370

It's a friggin FWD. Why deal with reliability issues on a hatch??? I don't purchase unreliable sports cars to begin with. I like sports cars with a reasonable cost of ownership variable.

For the price of maintaining a GTi, you can own a faster, more reliable Z and add RWD fun to it.

That said. GTi's are really nice cars behind the wheel for being FWD. Definitely is a benchmark.

But most of us here don't care cuz a RWD is still better. And now you can have a tossable FR-S for the same price. (Even though it's slower )

Golf R. AWd, never driven one. But 36k??? Damn. I think i rather an STi or EVO. Which are known to have supercar-like handling.

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bdavis89

Do some of you people really not realize that performance isn't the only thing that decides how much a car costs?

Maybe I should start a thread about the crappy MS3 and Evo interiors. Why pay $22k+ for a car with the interior of a corolla?

With the GTI you're clearly paying for a more well rounded car. Want pure speed? Then get the STI/EVO. Nobody is arguing that. Some people value more than pure speed (grown ups, professionals, etc). I'm guessing you do to, otherwise you certainly wouldn't be driving a 370z when you could have gotten a Mustang GT or STi. Move along.

PS: The GTI was my second choice after the 370z.

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