2013 Car and Driver Lightning Lap

Z_ealot · 05-13-2013, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 370zrider

I think since R&T published this comparison, people (myself included) had the idea that the performance difference between 370z and Caymans is really short.

It may look weird that 370z's time is nearly 3 seconds slower than Cayman's

But I don't think Nissan could have improved the 350z that much as for having a big difference between the 370z and the 350z.

i think one interesting thing to note from the data sheet is the noise levels between the two, funny how many people and reviewers moan and groan about the Z being noisy on the inside when the freakin cayman in their test is just as noisy and even noisier in some situations lol

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-14-2013, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Z_ealot

i think one interesting thing to note from the data sheet is the noise levels between the two, funny how many people and reviewers moan and groan about the Z being noisy on the inside when the freakin cayman in their test is just as noisy and even noisier in some situations lol

Noise levels had to be the stupidest major complaint of the Z. Completely normal for a dedicated sports car platform. No offense to the sound deadening crew. To each his own, but to make it a topic in sports car reviews is insanely retarded.
Any real sports car's charm is NOT having a quiet interior. Tire roar can be a little annoying, but the engine being harsh is ridiculous. Review only Cadillac if they want quiet engines. Speaking of which, The ATS turbo has a loud azz bov/wastegate for a luxury sedan. I wouldn't complain about it but, by reviewers standards... Why aren't they bytchin' bout the loud azz ATS 2.0 Turbo?

There's definitely a double-standard in this country for JDM sports cars.

Red__Zed · 05-14-2013, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Noise levels had to be the stupidest major complaint of the Z. Completely normal for a dedicated sports car platform. No offense to the sound deadening crew. To each his own, but to make it a topic in sports car reviews is insanely retarded.
Any real sports car's charm is NOT having a quiet interior. Tire roar can be a little annoying, but the engine being harsh is ridiculous. Review only Cadillac if they want quiet engines. Speaking of which, The ATS turbo has a loud azz bov/wastegate for a luxury sedan. I wouldn't complain about it but, by reviewers standards... Why aren't they bytchin' bout the loud azz ATS 2.0 Turbo?

There's definitely a double-standard in this country for JDM sports cars.

It's all about the quality of the noise, rather than the raw volume.

It has nothing to do with country of origin--if anything Japanese cars get favorable treatment in nvh commentary (s2000, the whole Lexus line). The Z just happens to have a lot of less-pleasant noises (and a terrible stock tire)

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-14-2013, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

It's all about the quality of the noise, rather than the raw volume.

It has nothing to do with country of origin--if anything Japanese cars get favorable treatment in nvh commentary (s2000, the whole Lexus line). The Z just happens to have a lot of less-pleasant noises (and a terrible stock tire)

Some people can't handle raw. I like raw... Raw and Real rather than fake and synthesized.

m4a1mustang · 05-11-2013, 06:23 PM

I agree for the most part. The Z tends to drive more like a muscle car than a lot of people care to admit. You have to wrestle with it which is always fun.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-12-2013, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I agree for the most part. The Z tends to drive more like a muscle car than a lot of people care to admit. You have to wrestle with it which is always fun.

I agree it handles Muscle-car'ish, but the Z still feels way more precise and it's chassis supports that feeling. Like stated a million times before. The z is a jack of all trades a master of none. It's 8/10's precision, 8/10's muscle, 9/10'ths GT. No other car is like this. There are 10/10th cars that can't fit the multi-role like the Z. Most people have a one-track mind and need wish for 10/10th cars. The Z isn't such which leaves it a low selling car for a small market.

Thank you Nissan for thinking about a small special market. But the Z34 was not updated as needed. Just hoping the Z35 gets all the attention the Z34 didn't get.

m4a1mustang · 05-11-2013, 08:46 PM

Hahaha...not even on the same planet!

red6spd · 05-12-2013, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Hahaha...not even on the same planet!

In what sense?

m4a1mustang · 05-12-2013, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by red6spd

In what sense?

2013 Cayman is a big step up. Practically a brand new car for 2013 while the Z has stayed mostly the same. The Cayman entered a new performance envelope so you can't really compare them like in years past.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-12-2013, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

2013 Cayman is a big step up. Practically a brand new car for 2013 while the Z has stayed mostly the same. The Cayman entered a new performance envelope so you can't really compare them like in years past.

And this is most likely why Nissan is taking an extra year to develop the Z35. To make a proper yet, attainable Cayman fighter...

I hope?

370zrider · 05-12-2013, 11:00 AM

wonder what ideas Nissan has in mind for the z35. I don't expect a big improvement.

They can't handle cooling issues while staying on a budget, therefore turbocharging is far from being the solution. Maybe the only way they can improve the z is with a serious weight reduction

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UNKNOWN_370 · 05-12-2013, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 370zrider

wonder what ideas Nissan has in mind for the z35. I don't expect a big improvement.

They can't handle cooling issues while staying on a budget, therefore turbocharging is far from being the solution. Maybe the only way they can improve the z is with a serious weight reduction

.

It was stated well over a year ago the next gen Z will be much lighter and leaner. So expect in the 300lb reduction arena. The 2012+ Z's received a moderate cooling improvement. I expect to see cooling improvements in the next gen.
Also, if the Z gets a smaller displacement and a larger bay? Cooling will come much easier to attain. Also, if they go turbo? I'm sure there will be engineering for better cooling. The GT-R doesn't have a cooling problem so i wouldn't expect to see the next gen Z with one. I don't forsee Nissan going ror more criticism on the Z. Mr. K complained and i think Nissan listened to him.

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

Why don't we compare 2013 Cayman to 2013 370z

Remember: Porsche got a complete redesign in 2013. We got DRL's woohoo!!!! Expect to see a competitive car in 2015. It's not realistic to compare last gen tech to new gen objectively.

370zrider · 05-12-2013, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

2013 Cayman is a big step up. Practically a brand new car for 2013 while the Z has stayed mostly the same. The Cayman entered a new performance envelope so you can't really compare them like in years past.

If the 370z couldn't keep up with the 2008 cayman, I think there is an even wider gap between a 370z and a 2013 cayman

370Zsteve · 05-15-2013, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

2013 Cayman is a big step up. Practically a brand new car for 2013 while the Z has stayed mostly the same. The Cayman entered a new performance envelope so you can't really compare them like in years past.

Is the price a big step up? Because the performance vs the z has always been about the price difference, and the Z has always come out on top in bang-for-the-buck. By the time you finish optioning a Cayman S, the damned thing is probably $80 grand or something.

At that point, all I would think about would be 'Stingray'

red6spd · 05-15-2013, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

Is the price a big step up? Because the performance vs the z has always been about the price difference, and the Z has always come out on top in bang-for-the-buck. By the time you finish optioning a Cayman S, the damned thing is probably $80 grand or something.

At that point, all I would think about would be 'Stingray'

I cant speak for cornering G's slaloms braking cause I don't really feel like looking them up (maybe Red_Zed can) but straight line performance is about the same with the new Cayman S maybe being a tad faster. But like you said the car starts at $72,900 and just gets more expensive.

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370zrider Base Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Mexico Posts: 106 Drives: 370zM6tour12nosport Rep Power: 13	wonder what ideas Nissan has in mind for the z35. I don't expect a big improvement. They can't handle cooling issues while staying on a budget, therefore turbocharging is far from being the solution. Maybe the only way they can improve the z is with a serious weight reduction . __________________ Stillen [gen3 CAI + headers + HFC + Exhaust + UD Pulley + lightweight flywheel] + Uprev e-tune+ PC680 Odyssey battery + oil cooler + MishimotoThermostat = 312whp + 252wtq @1,500mts or 5,000ft elevation Last edited by 370zrider; 05-12-2013 at 11:33 AM.

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