Will you trade for a Toyota 86/Scion FR-S/Subaru BRZ?

m4a1mustang · 12-12-2011, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by TongMan

370z for a FRS?? You crazy. The 370z will out-handle and overpower the FRS. The crub weight of the production car will be more in the 2800 lbs.

They've already released production weights and they are under 2800 lbs.

I like the BRZ/FR-S. Cool little car but right now it just doesn't have the power to replace a 370Z. Now if you can get a turbo BRZ pushing 300hp from the factory while still coming in around 2,700 lbs that might be a different story depending on what people are looking for out of the car.

TongMan · 12-12-2011, 09:17 AM

Subaru will not give the brz 300hp from the factory. That will kill the sales of their wrx and sti lines.

m4a1mustang · 12-12-2011, 09:18 AM

I don't think so. They are totally different cars.

If anything it would give WRX STi owners that want a RWD sports car an in-house option instead of jumping ship to a 370Z or something like that. Subie would stand a better chance at retaining those buyers than they would without a powerful version of the BRZ.

BlackZeda · 12-12-2011, 09:19 AM

If I wanted an ugly car I would have gone with a Subaru already.

Red__Zed · 12-12-2011, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TongMan

Subaru will not give the brz 300hp from the factory. That will kill the sales of their wrx and sti lines.

Doubt it. The AWD/sedan crew would still be hard after them, especially with no Evo.

Spikuh · 12-12-2011, 09:34 AM

I would rather go after a late model 180sx or S15 Silvia. Much better power/weight and already has TONS of after market support.

theDreamer · 12-12-2011, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by awkwardturtle

Kind of a pointless thread on a 370z site. Why would you ask people driving an attractive, fun RWD sports car if they'd trade it in for a (subjectively) worse looking, less powerful RWD car?

Because some people like to just drive, it is not always about numbers, magazine times, or even RWD. The fun of driving many cars and the experience each one gives is unique and something to enjoy.

'10Anamoly · 12-12-2011, 09:55 AM

Newer turbo I-4's in the FR-S's price range are typically not built to handle big power (ahem.. 1st and 2nd gen Mazdaspeed3s, which would likely walk all over this thing from a roll stock for stock). The small factory turbos cant handle holding high boost at high RPMs and turn a lot of that boost into waste heat or just simple fail.

Of course, you can upgrade them but it takes a decent amount of money to do it right and keep it running good for the long haul, money that you wont get back once invested in the car. I like starting with significant performance (370Z) and a more mature crowd plus then modding a bit to make it even faster.

Plus, I dont like the looks of them, a bit too "high school" for me, although I probably would have loved one back in high school.

If I had extra money, it would go to an old 240Z or 280Z to stay with the lineage and my money would go into restoring it and adding a nice RB motor to it.

PapoZalsa · 12-12-2011, 10:29 AM

Anyway the FR-S's is suppose to be like a retro of the old school Corolla, even that I don't see any resemblance to it.

The Toyota Corolla didn't have a powerful engine for that time, now the Supra is a different story.

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-12-2011, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I don't think so. They are totally different cars.

If anything it would give WRX STi owners that want a RWD sports car an in-house option instead of jumping ship to a 370Z or something like that. Subie would stand a better chance at retaining those buyers than they would without a powerful version of the BRZ.

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-12-2011, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Doubt it. The AWD/sedan crew would still be hard after them, especially with no Evo.

What do you mean NO EVO? I thought mitsu decided the EVO would keep going and only the eclipse would be cancelled?

m4a1mustang · 12-12-2011, 10:50 AM

I don't know about the Eclipse but the EVO is canned for 2013.

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-12-2011, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I don't know about the Eclipse but the EVO is canned for 2013.

Dude? Really... wow! The evo is really a great car. Sux.

Red__Zed · 12-12-2011, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

What do you mean NO EVO? I thought mitsu decided the EVO would keep going and only the eclipse would be cancelled?

Diesel hybrid, very possibly not coming to US

Spikuh · 12-12-2011, 10:58 AM

Say what?!?! They dumped the EVO?!?!? That Eclipse better be gone or I will be upset with them...

12-12-2011, 09:18 AM	#48 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	I don't think so. They are totally different cars. If anything it would give WRX STi owners that want a RWD sports car an in-house option instead of jumping ship to a 370Z or something like that. Subie would stand a better chance at retaining those buyers than they would without a powerful version of the BRZ. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook! Last edited by m4a1mustang; 12-12-2011 at 09:20 AM.

12-12-2011, 09:19 AM	#49 (permalink)
BlackZeda A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: Englewood, CO Posts: 1,109 Drives: 19 Audi TT RS Rep Power: 21	Ugly! If I wanted an ugly car I would have gone with a Subaru already.

12-12-2011, 09:55 AM	#53 (permalink)
'10Anamoly Track Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: GA Posts: 882 Drives: 2010 370Z BS M6 Rep Power: 15	Newer turbo I-4's in the FR-S's price range are typically not built to handle big power (ahem.. 1st and 2nd gen Mazdaspeed3s, which would likely walk all over this thing from a roll stock for stock). The small factory turbos cant handle holding high boost at high RPMs and turn a lot of that boost into waste heat or just simple fail. Of course, you can upgrade them but it takes a decent amount of money to do it right and keep it running good for the long haul, money that you wont get back once invested in the car. I like starting with significant performance (370Z) and a more mature crowd plus then modding a bit to make it even faster. Plus, I dont like the looks of them, a bit too "high school" for me, although I probably would have loved one back in high school. If I had extra money, it would go to an old 240Z or 280Z to stay with the lineage and my money would go into restoring it and adding a nice RB motor to it. __________________ 2013 Ford Mustang GT 374rwhp, 360rwtq SAE / GT500 Axle-Backs / Brembo Pack / Track Pack / Recaros / 6spd Last edited by '10Anamoly; 12-12-2011 at 09:59 AM.

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PapoZalsa A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Not in Sunny Florida Posts: 6,358 Drives: 16 Nismo w/Tech Pack Rep Power: 4499	Anyway the FR-S's is suppose to be like a retro of the old school Corolla, even that I don't see any resemblance to it. The Toyota Corolla didn't have a powerful engine for that time, now the Supra is a different story. __________________ 2009 370Z MB Base w/Sport Package 6MT Modshack's Custom Air Intakes /3M Clear Bra/ Illuminated Kick Plates / F. I CBE w/12" resonators / EVO-R Front Lip / Rear Hatch Wing / Tein S-Tech Springs /Ilegal Tint in the Rep. of VA/4x20mm Z1 Spacers/ Vinyl Roof/Liquid Carbon Designs

12-12-2011, 10:50 AM	#57 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	I don't know about the Eclipse but the EVO is canned for 2013. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

12-12-2011, 09:17 AM	#47 (permalink)
TongMan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: NorCal Posts: 1,297 Drives: 2013 Nissan GTR Rep Power: 715	Subaru will not give the brz 300hp from the factory. That will kill the sales of their wrx and sti lines.

12-12-2011, 09:34 AM	#51 (permalink)
Spikuh A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The Ark Posts: 2,357 Drives: '09 370z Rep Power: 20	I would rather go after a late model 180sx or S15 Silvia. Much better power/weight and already has TONS of after market support.

12-12-2011, 10:58 AM	#60 (permalink)
Spikuh A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The Ark Posts: 2,357 Drives: '09 370z Rep Power: 20	Say what?!?! They dumped the EVO?!?!? That Eclipse better be gone or I will be upset with them...

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