Will you trade for a Toyota 86/Scion FR-S/Subaru BRZ?

370Zsteve · 12-11-2011, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by TreeSemdyZee

I used to buy nothing but Toyotas. I had three Celicas and assorted other models.

The unfortunate thing about Toyota is that they dropped anything even resembling a sports car. This new one is no exception.
You've got the Lexus LF-A on one end and these pocket-rockets on the other end and nothing in the middle like the Supra used to be.

I loved all of my Toyotas, especially the dependability. I put 152,000 miles on one car, hit a telephone poll dead-center and the engine still ran like a top.
My days of driving zippy 4 poppers is over. As much as I want to like this car, I can't see myself driving one.

That Supra, at least the last model, has pretty much reached cult status at this point. I agree, my 4-cylinder days are ovah! Unless gasoline goes to $6/gallon, of course.

or unless we're talking about my motorcycles

red6spd · 12-11-2011, 10:34 AM

I think its great progress in the auto world. We need more low priced quick RWD cars. Maybe once the turbo version comes out more people will like the idea of a tiny engine in a RWD sports car. But I would not sell my Z for it. Its not in the same class as the Z and more then likely never will be.

TreeSemdyZee · 12-11-2011, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

That Supra, at least the last model, has pretty much reached cult status at this point. I agree, my 4-cylinder days are ovah! Unless gasoline goes to $6/gallon, of course.

or unless we're talking about my motorcycles

The biggest problem with the last gen Supra and even the Celicas and MR2s, was the price. They couldn't sell the things because they were so frickin' expensive. I looked at a '92 MR2 when it was new and the dealer wanted $32,000 for it. Walked away quickly.

370Zsteve · 12-11-2011, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by TreeSemdyZee

The biggest problem with the last gen Supra and even the Celicas and MR2s, was the price. They couldn't sell the things because they were so frickin' expensive. I looked at a '92 MR2 when it was new and the dealer wanted $32,000 for it. Walked away quickly.

$32K for a Mister Two?

Shamu · 12-11-2011, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

It only weighs something like 2600 lbs. That should be a massive power-to-weight ratio. Mustang drivers...sheesh

Honestly, though, the front-end looks like a 370Z. That alone turns me off to the thing.

I suspect higher output cars will weigh more than 2600 lbs. But it will still be a lighter car than most everything else in the lower dollar range sport coupes. Styling is still off for me. Sort of one part power ranger and one part boring Toyota sedan.

370Zsteve · 12-11-2011, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Shamu

I suspect higher output cars will weigh more than 2600 lbs. But it will still be a lighter car than most everything else in the lower dollar range sport coupes. Styling is still off for me. Sort of one part power ranger and one part boring Toyota sedan.

And also two parts 2 different manufacturers giving styling input. The whole thing just looks...wrong.

Red__Zed · 12-11-2011, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

It only weighs something like 2600 lbs. That should be a massive power-to-weight ratio. Mustang drivers...sheesh

Honestly, though, the front-end looks like a 370Z. That alone turns me off to the thing.

as it sits, it has more than 13 lbs/horse
the Z carries only a little over 10 lbs/horse (mustang in the range of 8)

This thing needs more goose to be impressive IMO. Right now, I think an S2K will be leaving it around the track pretty readily...but I'll wait and see how the suspension tuning is. Adding power is easy, fixing dynamics is hard.

edub370 · 12-11-2011, 11:32 AM

i liked small, underpowered, teen cars the first time they came out and were called miatas. im sry but subaru completely dropped the ball on this one. most of the subie guys dont even respect this thing. in what market does toyota, subie think they are going after with this $28k car..?

Skeeterbop · 12-11-2011, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by TreeSemdyZee

The biggest problem with the last gen Supra and even the Celicas and MR2s, was the price. They couldn't sell the things because they were so frickin' expensive. I looked at a '92 MR2 when it was new and the dealer wanted $32,000 for it. Walked away quickly.

While i was pretty young (say about 6-7) at that point in life, I have done research on the MR-2 when i owned one. I think a lot of people forget (or never knew) just how much these cars cost new off the lot back in the day when they were new. If I was looking for a second car though, I think I would be looking at one of these, assuming that I could find a used one for less than 25k. But I'm definitely not trading the Z for this. (this is made on the assumption that I would be getting a second car at least a year after these are released)

bigsix · 12-11-2011, 12:58 PM

So, it's viewed as a downgrade, rather than a level trade or swap.

happytheman · 12-11-2011, 12:58 PM

Can't see myself going back to a four banger again. In the looks dept the 86 is just ok. The Z has the power AND looks. So, in short..a resounding NO!

Rui Z · 12-11-2011, 01:13 PM

Can't wait for this to come out. I'm also looking forward to the new miata thats supposed to come out in early 2013. I like the FRS, but if the miata turns out to really be 2,200 lbs then I would get the miata instead of the FRS.

gomer_110 · 12-11-2011, 01:47 PM

Wouldn't think of trading the Z for the 86. However once the Z's paid off I'd definitely consider trading my tC for it.

brucelidat · 12-11-2011, 02:52 PM

I was watching the 86 for a while. I liked it a lot when they showed the black concept a few years ago. Then when they releases the newer Scion version concept, I was turned off. It was overdone and too much. I could maybe drive it if I was 20, not 30. Now that they have shots of the actual production car, it seems they have toned it back a bit too much. It's okay but not wow or anything. Also, the rear looks like a complete BMW rip off ox the z3 (I think).

When i bought the Z, I was tempted to wait for this and was afraid it might be a Z killer. I thought it would be a turbo 4 with Mazda3 like numbers but with RWD for around 25k which would have been great. Now that we know more about it, I am pretty disappointed (in it, but glad I got the Z). If I didn't have a Z and needed a zippy DD, I would consider this depending on where its price actually lands.

I would definietly not consider this an upgrade though as the thread title suggests, more like a consolation prize if the Z is out of your budget.

brucelidat · 12-11-2011, 02:59 PM

If I really needed rear seats and didn't want to spend much but wanted something fun to drive still, I might considering trading for this if I had to trade the Z anyway, but def not as an upgrade. Although if they litter the roads like civics and are mostly driven by women and under 21 guys, my opinion may change. Ideally, I'd rather have my girlfriend trade her civic coupe in for this, haha.

12-11-2011, 10:34 AM	#17 (permalink)
red6spd A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 3,277 Drives: 2010 Z Coupe M6 SPT Rep Power: 21	I think its great progress in the auto world. We need more low priced quick RWD cars. Maybe once the turbo version comes out more people will like the idea of a tiny engine in a RWD sports car. But I would not sell my Z for it. Its not in the same class as the Z and more then likely never will be. __________________ 2010 Base+Sport 6spd: Stillen G3, FI Non-Resonated CBE, FI Non-Resonated Test Pipes, UpRev Tuned, Custom 24R Oil Cooler, JDM Rear Fog-OEM Harness. ???Whp ???WTQ (Will find out come spring time)

12-11-2011, 11:32 AM	#23 (permalink)
edub370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: KCMO Posts: 3,458 Drives: 09 370z S/T 6MT Rep Power: 19	i liked small, underpowered, teen cars the first time they came out and were called miatas. im sry but subaru completely dropped the ball on this one. most of the subie guys dont even respect this thing. in what market does toyota, subie think they are going after with this $28k car..? __________________ 09 370Z ST 6MT//Injen CAI//Greddy CBE//TP//TSW's//Swifts//Stillen lip//Whiteline sways 326whp/268tq

12-11-2011, 12:58 PM	#26 (permalink)
happytheman A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 10,737 Drives: MB 6M Tour/Sport Z34 Rep Power: 1822	Can't see myself going back to a four banger again. In the looks dept the 86 is just ok. The Z has the power AND looks. So, in short..a resounding NO! __________________ --Brantly-- *PowderCoating by Mike/Stillen/PWJDM/Shine Auto/NST* GTR/Michelin /Fast Intentions/Evo-R/Mobil 1/Motul/Z1 https://facebook.com/CentralFloridaZClub

12-11-2011, 01:13 PM	#27 (permalink)
Rui Z Track Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: (.)(.) Posts: 931 Drives: 8====D Rep Power: 16	Can't wait for this to come out. I'm also looking forward to the new miata thats supposed to come out in early 2013. I like the FRS, but if the miata turns out to really be 2,200 lbs then I would get the miata instead of the FRS. __________________

12-11-2011, 01:47 PM	#28 (permalink)
gomer_110 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Perrysburg, OH Posts: 17,992 Drives: '11 Nismo #528 GM Rep Power: 36940	Wouldn't think of trading the Z for the 86. However once the Z's paid off I'd definitely consider trading my tC for it. __________________ '11 370Z Nismo #528 Fast Intentions \| Stillen \| Motordyne \| Uprev \| CSF \| Zspeed \| Z1 Motorsports \| AST \| Swift \| SPC \| SPL \| Whiteline \| Hotchkis \| Bride \| Schroth \| Robispec \| Cusco \| Nismo \| Volk \| Forgestar \| Hoosier \| RJM '17 Titan Bone Stock

12-11-2011, 12:58 PM	#25 (permalink)
bigsix A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Thailand Posts: 2,227 Drives: Honda City/Mazda 2 Rep Power: 18	So, it's viewed as a downgrade, rather than a level trade or swap.

12-11-2011, 02:52 PM	#29 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 30	I was watching the 86 for a while. I liked it a lot when they showed the black concept a few years ago. Then when they releases the newer Scion version concept, I was turned off. It was overdone and too much. I could maybe drive it if I was 20, not 30. Now that they have shots of the actual production car, it seems they have toned it back a bit too much. It's okay but not wow or anything. Also, the rear looks like a complete BMW rip off ox the z3 (I think). When i bought the Z, I was tempted to wait for this and was afraid it might be a Z killer. I thought it would be a turbo 4 with Mazda3 like numbers but with RWD for around 25k which would have been great. Now that we know more about it, I am pretty disappointed (in it, but glad I got the Z). If I didn't have a Z and needed a zippy DD, I would consider this depending on where its price actually lands. I would definietly not consider this an upgrade though as the thread title suggests, more like a consolation prize if the Z is out of your budget. __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

12-11-2011, 02:59 PM	#30 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 30	If I really needed rear seats and didn't want to spend much but wanted something fun to drive still, I might considering trading for this if I had to trade the Z anyway, but def not as an upgrade. Although if they litter the roads like civics and are mostly driven by women and under 21 guys, my opinion may change. Ideally, I'd rather have my girlfriend trade her civic coupe in for this, haha. __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

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