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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks I don't believe that the V6 can be faster through the corners than the Z if both cars are driven to their potential, granted it will

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Old 09-29-2011, 07:59 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I don't believe that the V6 can be faster through the corners than the Z if both cars are driven to their potential, granted it will be easier to reach that potential in the Mustang. The Z in stock form has plenty of grip just needs to be driven differently to take advantage of the wider rear tires, it isn't going to throttle steer quiet as easily and should be driven on the momentum line like you would a Miata, where as the muscle cars prefer the traditional late apex line.
Chris, thats probably true--if you can use both cars to the full potential, the z has more grip. Unfortunately, there are a lot of factors that prevent that a lot of the time. The z often doesn't have enough power to balance out coming through a dramatic decreasing radius, or any turn that has a high speed exit but requires a low speed entry. Even when you're able to get things to line up, it often requires juggling gears unnecessarily to get the car back in the powerband- which is fine if you're just looking for one hot lap, but tough if you're trying to compete. On a related note, aggressive trail braking is incredibly dangerous in a stock z as a result, since you often can't get on the gas enough to balance the car.

Of course, like I said before...this is all moot in a modded z. The nice thing about the z is it picks up a ton of time from little things...swapping the rear sway, front camber arms, and snagging beefier front tires makes it an entirely different animal.
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Chris, thats probably true--if you can use both cars to the full potential, the z has more grip. Unfortunately, there are a lot of factors that prevent that a lot of the time. The z often doesn't have enough power to balance out coming through a dramatic decreasing radius, or any turn that has a high speed exit but requires a low speed entry. Even when you're able to get things to line up, it often requires juggling gears unnecessarily to get the car back in the powerband- which is fine if you're just looking for one hot lap, but tough if you're trying to compete. On a related note, aggressive trail braking is incredibly dangerous in a stock z as a result, since you often can't get on the gas enough to balance the car.

Of course, like I said before...this is all moot in a modded z. The nice thing about the z is it picks up a ton of time from little things...swapping the rear sway, front camber arms, and snagging beefier front tires makes it an entirely different animal.
I tracked the car stock with just sway bars and didn't really find that to be an issue. Some tracks the gearing just seems to be wrong but that can happen at any track with any car, on the most part I find the gear spacing pretty good. I would never complain about a little more power, mostly the area under the curve (wider power/torque band) is what would make the car easier to drive fast.
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I tracked the car stock with just sway bars and didn't really find that to be an issue. Some tracks the gearing just seems to be wrong but that can happen at any track with any car, on the most part I find the gear spacing pretty good. I would never complain about a little more power, mostly the area under the curve (wider power/torque band) is what would make the car easier to drive fast.
Sway bars alone make a pretty big difference I would think.

Definitely agree about more power under the curve being huge. Too many situations where you need to be on the gas and there's just not enough there...
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