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shadoquad

I see your point, CMike. In fact, if power was all an enthusiast cared about, the Miata would have died in the 90's.

It is about the driving experience for me, not just the stat sheet.

Red__Zed

The stat sheet actually matters very little in terms of what makes a good car.

b1adesofcha0s

But is the only thing that matters in the art of bench racing. One of the most prevalent forms of trolling on automotive forums

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Isamu

this is also true..


it's why I test drive new cars as often as possible... lol

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Red__Zed

I honestly would consider buying the next z if they dropped power levels but fixed the engine/trans stuff and gave it better balance

b1adesofcha0s

Or they could do all that stuff and increase the power too

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Isamu

this is truth.... Miata's are a blast to drive, and when you DO put more power in.. it gets redonkulous.. much like the s2k.. which I still love to this day

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ImportConvert

Power is what makes it more fun, though! I drove a few 370Z's before I settled on something with more power. Lots of cars will handle well. The new V6 mustang handles better than the 370Z for crying out loud (At least, it turned lap-times at VIR VERY! similar to a NISMO even though it sat there banging off the 114mph speedo limiter for all the straight stretches, lol).

Balance is fine and dandy, but you also want to know that the car is going to GO when you mush the long skinny one to the right, because plenty of other cars have balance AND will GO!

Lets not start making excuses about "balance" and whatnot. It doesn't even really have that at 53/47. Unless of course now we are going to start using the mustang as a standard of comparison in the world of finely balanced sports cars. The only reason the Miata lives is because it is cheap as hell to maintain and offers great handling at that price-point. When you can go and auto-X the crap out of it and burn through a set of tires and not cry, it's a HUGE! selling point for an enthusiast without the desire to dump thousands of dollars a track day into their car.

FL 4Motion

<-----strokes beard slowly and contemplates these big questions...

ChrisSlicks

I don't know who the heck drove these cars but they obviously don't know how to drive around corners, just mash the gas pedal. Shouldn't they use a professional driver for these kind of tests? In my experience the car has been as fast or faster than a Mustang GT or even a Boss around the track similarly equiped (occasionally a Corvette). Granted I didn't get to drive the Mustangs so I don't know what I could do behind the wheel. Power isn't everything, just makes it easy for inexperienced drivers to go faster.

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Red__Zed

I always got flamed for saying the same thing about the drivers...maybe people will listen to you.


I can attest from having driven both cars that the mustang almost definitely has an edge. On a lot of tracks, the V6 mustang is just as fast, if not faster, than the z...a lot of it has to do with the fact that in stock trim, the mustang actually uses all four tires.

ChrisSlicks

There isn't a single track anywhere that the V6 Mustang is faster than the Z if the Z is driven correctly. Tracks like VIR Grand do give an advantage to the higher horsepower cars that is for sure, the new GT should be faster there.

I don't understand your comment about using all 4 tires.

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Red__Zed

The v6 makes less power, it is actually faster through the corners.

Have you driven a stock z recently?

ChrisSlicks

I don't believe that the V6 can be faster through the corners than the Z if both cars are driven to their potential, granted it will be easier to reach that potential in the Mustang. The Z in stock form has plenty of grip just needs to be driven differently to take advantage of the wider rear tires, it isn't going to throttle steer quiet as easily and should be driven on the momentum line like you would a Miata, where as the muscle cars prefer the traditional late apex line.

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