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Red__Zed · 09-28-2011, 05:07 PM

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I see your point, CMike. In fact, if power was all an enthusiast cared about, the Miata would have died in the 90's.

It is about the driving experience for me, not just the stat sheet.

The stat sheet actually matters very little in terms of what makes a good car.

b1adesofcha0s · 09-28-2011, 05:10 PM

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The stat sheet actually matters very little in terms of what makes a good car.

But is the only thing that matters in the art of bench racing. One of the most prevalent forms of trolling on automotive forums

Isamu · 09-28-2011, 05:13 PM

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But is the only thing that matters in the art of bench racing. One of the most prevalent forms of trolling on automotive forums

this is also true..

it's why I test drive new cars as often as possible... lol

Red__Zed · 09-28-2011, 05:13 PM

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But is the only thing that matters in the art of bench racing. One of the most prevalent forms of trolling on automotive forums

I honestly would consider buying the next z if they dropped power levels but fixed the engine/trans stuff and gave it better balance

b1adesofcha0s · 09-28-2011, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

I honestly would consider buying the next z if they dropped power levels but fixed the engine/trans stuff and gave it better balance

Or they could do all that stuff and increase the power too

Isamu · 09-28-2011, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

I see your point, CMike. In fact, if power was all an enthusiast cared about, the Miata would have died in the 90's.

It is about the driving experience for me, not just the stat sheet.

this is truth.... Miata's are a blast to drive, and when you DO put more power in.. it gets redonkulous.. much like the s2k.. which I still love to this day

ImportConvert · 09-28-2011, 05:44 PM

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I see your point, CMike. In fact, if power was all an enthusiast cared about, the Miata would have died in the 90's.

It is about the driving experience for me, not just the stat sheet.

Power is what makes it more fun, though! I drove a few 370Z's before I settled on something with more power. Lots of cars will handle well. The new V6 mustang handles better than the 370Z for crying out loud (At least, it turned lap-times at VIR VERY! similar to a NISMO even though it sat there banging off the 114mph speedo limiter for all the straight stretches, lol).

Balance is fine and dandy, but you also want to know that the car is going to GO when you mush the long skinny one to the right, because plenty of other cars have balance AND will GO!

Lets not start making excuses about "balance" and whatnot. It doesn't even really have that at 53/47. Unless of course now we are going to start using the mustang as a standard of comparison in the world of finely balanced sports cars. The only reason the Miata lives is because it is cheap as hell to maintain and offers great handling at that price-point. When you can go and auto-X the crap out of it and burn through a set of tires and not cry, it's a HUGE! selling point for an enthusiast without the desire to dump thousands of dollars a track day into their car.

FL 4Motion · 09-28-2011, 06:54 PM

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It's quite a statement on engine development that we now consider mid-300's "slow", but I'm with you on that.

I'm curious about the next 4-5 years. What will become of the Z? What will become of the GTR? Will we get a sported-up Leaf? Honestly, I couldn't be more excited about the possibilities. I think Nissan will stay the course and offer innovative performance vehicles, but what will they be?

<-----strokes beard slowly and contemplates these big questions...

ChrisSlicks · 09-28-2011, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Power is what makes it more fun, though! I drove a few 370Z's before I settled on something with more power. Lots of cars will handle well. The new V6 mustang handles better than the 370Z for crying out loud (At least, it turned lap-times at VIR VERY! similar to a NISMO even though it sat there banging off the 114mph speedo limiter for all the straight stretches, lol).

I don't know who the heck drove these cars but they obviously don't know how to drive around corners, just mash the gas pedal. Shouldn't they use a professional driver for these kind of tests? In my experience the car has been as fast or faster than a Mustang GT or even a Boss around the track similarly equiped (occasionally a Corvette). Granted I didn't get to drive the Mustangs so I don't know what I could do behind the wheel. Power isn't everything, just makes it easy for inexperienced drivers to go faster.

Red__Zed · 09-28-2011, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

I don't know who the heck drove these cars but they obviously don't know how to drive around corners, just mash the gas pedal. Shouldn't they use a professional driver for these kind of tests? In my experience the car has been as fast or faster than a Mustang GT or even a Boss around the track similarly equiped (occasionally a Corvette). Granted I didn't get to drive the Mustangs so I don't know what I could do behind the wheel. Power isn't everything, just makes it easy for inexperienced drivers to go faster.

I always got flamed for saying the same thing about the drivers...maybe people will listen to you.

I can attest from having driven both cars that the mustang almost definitely has an edge. On a lot of tracks, the V6 mustang is just as fast, if not faster, than the z...a lot of it has to do with the fact that in stock trim, the mustang actually uses all four tires.

ChrisSlicks · 09-29-2011, 06:27 AM

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I always got flamed for saying the same thing about the drivers...maybe people will listen to you.

I can attest from having driven both cars that the mustang almost definitely has an edge. On a lot of tracks, the V6 mustang is just as fast, if not faster, than the z...a lot of it has to do with the fact that in stock trim, the mustang actually uses all four tires.

There isn't a single track anywhere that the V6 Mustang is faster than the Z if the Z is driven correctly. Tracks like VIR Grand do give an advantage to the higher horsepower cars that is for sure, the new GT should be faster there.

I don't understand your comment about using all 4 tires.

Armonster · 09-29-2011, 08:14 AM

I'm with IC on this one. It's not as if the Z has set the benchmark for a perfectly balanced car in the first place. It's only when all the competition has over 400 hp that people will start saying "oh yeah, well the Z is more balanced!" That's just another way of saying underpowered. Think of it this way: if the suspension/brakes/chassis of the Z are great, then the car could handle 400 hp and still be "balanced." To say that the car wouldn't be balanced with that much hp is just saying that the rest of the car is not up to the task. It just doesn't seem like a winning proposition either way.

Don't get me wrong, I love the Z - that's why I don't want to see it fall behind.

Cmike2780 · 09-29-2011, 08:45 AM

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I'm with IC on this one. It's not as if the Z has set the benchmark for a perfectly balanced car in the first place. It's only when all the competition has over 400 hp that people will start saying "oh yeah, well the Z is more balanced!" That's just another way of saying underpowered. Think of it this way: if the suspension/brakes/chassis of the Z are great, then the car could handle 400 hp and still be "balanced." To say that the car wouldn't be balanced with that much hp is just saying that the rest of the car is not up to the task. It just doesn't seem like a winning proposition either way.

Don't get me wrong, I love the Z - that's why I don't want to see it fall behind.

Dude, I never said "oh yeah, well the Z is more balanced!"

I meant that even though it's certainly not lacking in the "balanced" department, it make for a better sports car if they focus improving that aspect instead of just dumping a turbo or supercharger. Nissan needs to make the Z truly lighter (closer to 3k lbs) & bump up the torque and hp without going FI.

Cars like the Elise/Exige, though not particularly powerfull when you just look at the engine spec., are quick when you see the whole package. That's kind of where I want Nissan to go with the next Z. It's certainly feasable considering how the 370 evolved from the 350. If you only look at the power bump, it's only a 26hp increase. We all know by now, how much faster the 370 is, so logic would tell you its not just more power.

Armonster · 09-29-2011, 09:01 AM

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Dude, I never said "oh yeah, well the Z is more balanced!"

I meant that even though it's certainly not lacking in the "balanced" department, it make for a better sports car if they focus improving that aspect instead of just dumping a turbo or supercharger. Nissan needs to make the Z truly lighter (closer to 3k lbs) & bump up the torque and hp without going FI.

Cars like the Elise/Exige, though not particularly powerfull when you just look at the engine spec., are quick when you see the whole package. That's kind of where I want Nissan to go with the next Z. It's certainly feasable considering how the 370 evolved from the 350. If you only look at the power bump, it's only a 26hp increase. We all know by now, how much faster the 370 is, so logic would tell you its not just more power.

I didn't mean to imply that I was quoting you directly, my friend. In any event, I think we both agree that more hp/lb is the answer. Less weight would be ideal, but it seems cheaper and easier for Nissan to just add power. I would take either option, though (or both).

shadoquad · 09-29-2011, 09:48 AM

From a driver perspective, I don't think this car needs more power, really, to be an enjoyable car to drive. I love everything about the Z owner, Z driver experience.

From a marketing perspective, I agree with most everyone here that Nissan has to do something for the Z to survive (unless they just keep it like a phantom limb like the RX8).

It doesn't have to be more power or better handling, either. It could be something tech savvy or aesthetically pleasing. They just can't rest on their laurels anymore. It doesn't best its rivals at the track and has only two seats.

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09-29-2011, 08:14 AM	#12 (permalink)
Armonster Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 270 Drives: 2010 370z t/sp/6mt Rep Power: 15	I'm with IC on this one. It's not as if the Z has set the benchmark for a perfectly balanced car in the first place. It's only when all the competition has over 400 hp that people will start saying "oh yeah, well the Z is more balanced!" That's just another way of saying underpowered. Think of it this way: if the suspension/brakes/chassis of the Z are great, then the car could handle 400 hp and still be "balanced." To say that the car wouldn't be balanced with that much hp is just saying that the rest of the car is not up to the task. It just doesn't seem like a winning proposition either way. Don't get me wrong, I love the Z - that's why I don't want to see it fall behind.

09-29-2011, 09:48 AM	#15 (permalink)
shadoquad A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: . Posts: 42,608 Drives: . Rep Power: 3887	From a driver perspective, I don't think this car needs more power, really, to be an enjoyable car to drive. I love everything about the Z owner, Z driver experience. From a marketing perspective, I agree with most everyone here that Nissan has to do something for the Z to survive (unless they just keep it like a phantom limb like the RX8). It doesn't have to be more power or better handling, either. It could be something tech savvy or aesthetically pleasing. They just can't rest on their laurels anymore. It doesn't best its rivals at the track and has only two seats.