yeah that too... it sounds like a dragster type of idle, something you hear on a 1/4 mile track race, like Pinks... LOL. Not my type, but each his own :)

I wonder what power gains if any, have been seen on Roush, GT500, Borla axlebacks and catbacks?

Nada. At best it's one or two hp. The real gains come from the cat deletes and LTHs.

Pure sound then... I'm ok with that. That's the beauty of the 5.0. I saw/read some folks putting down 396whp STOCK. That would mean the 412hp ford claim is underrated.

WTF is that. I think I just threw up in my mouth. Shado, why you always from left field... lol

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but seriously... what IS that car?!?!?!?!

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whoa.....shite just got REAL! :eek:

So the dealer is asking $63000 on a 2012 GT500 that MSRPs for $57000? WTF in the mark up. Theyve the same 3 since they shipped in the summer. It not like they're flying off the lot.

Gotta negotiate!

Ok they start at $63000 and I'll start at $1

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Are you a USAA member by chance?

Yes I am. And I may see if anyone will bite on the USAA pricing

That's what I would do.

We'll see

They will tell you the participating dealers so it should be pretty easy as long as you like the pricing.

Yeah I learned my lesson with dealers and USAA pricing. If there is anything different about the car you put together on USAA and the car on the lot they will try to renege on the USAA price. I can build the Shelby from memory that they had at the lot

You should be able to track down that exact vehicle from Ford's website and view the window sticker.

I've been looking at USAA and put in my zip code and a Zip code from San Antonio. San Antonio being my hometown and USAA HQ location. Both are giving a "target" price and not a "USAA" price like before. Maybe USAA didn't get Shebly pricing or dealers in those areas? It's target price is is around $56000. And USAA is claiming a trade in value on my car of $33500. I know that's high.

If I got 1 today it would have been silver with recaro seats STV package and nav. MSRP was $57535 and they had a dealer sticker of $62,900.

The previous model GT500 had a mark up price of $25K over the market price. Some people did pay it.

The RX-8 when it first came out had a mark up price. :shakes head:

I believe the Corvette ZR1 or Z06 also had a mark up price back in 2008.

Don't know why because like you said "they are or were not flying of the lot".

When I bought my 370Z it had a markup of $5,000 over sticker on the car. I laughed! Ended up paying $1000 under invoice back in March 2009 when they had only been out a couple months!

I think if you do your work you can get a good deal on a new GT500.

^This. Same story with me. Just gotta do your homework and be willing to walk away. Only reason why some dealers give these ridiculous markups and expect you to pay asking price is because some dumb folks actually DO pay it.

Yep. I say low ball them for right around invoice. If they aren't willing to go that low, they aren't worth your business, and in a few months, if that car's still on the showroom floor, they'll change their tune.

Also, give them a "window of opportunity" that you will be willing to buy at that price. After that, tell them you will move on or they will think of you as a fish in the tank whilst they angle for someone else willing to pay more.

when buying ANY new car, never pay more than 500 over invoice if you can help it... unless of course you're buying a porsche or ferrari... lol. Any mainstream vehicle, should be able to get close to invoice if not under it.

Yeah, even if it's in demand you should be able to at least get invoice for it.

Steve btw, another topic... I was on the stang forum, and read there that though a CAI with tune is best for most gains, this dude said it's still worth getting a CAI with no tune because it results in about 20whp, proven by like Airraid or something.

Is this true? I thought gains from CAI with no tune are minimal at best.

I've seen some of the no-tune CAIs at around 10whp or so. 20whp seems far fetched to me.

definitely no 20whp gain with any intake w/o a tune. Most brands do a baseline with either an 87 or 91 octane fuel, then tune the intake with 93 then re-dyno, thats why there are claims of 30+ whp. I've seen people on svt and afm with actual dyno sheets that have definitely seen gains of 20whp+ with a cai/tune combo. Airraid and JLT so far have made the best numbers according to Chris at AM.

oh, figured i'd share this thread with you guys, a 950+hp 5.0 w/ stock MT82 transmission, holy crap.

952.8 Rear Wheel Horsepower 2011 5.0L Mustang GT - Ford Mustang Forums

How long until the engine goes under that stress?

good question, there are quite a few shop cars pushing 700+whp on the stock internals, still going strong and sitting comfortably in the low 10's/high 9's, man I need forced induction.

here's a pass with a built block/procharger:



8 seconds? holy shyt man.

So if you had it to do all over again would you buy a GT500 or a supercharged 5.0?

I prefer the 5.0... I think it's the better engine. I'd take an N/A 5.0 over the GT500... but that's just me.

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Do not like the 5.4 nearly as much. Still a beastly engine though.