2012 gt600?

ImportConvert · 06-13-2011, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

Thank you.

As far as the shelby goes, personally I think it's badazz, but I agree it could be better.

You're welcome.

I am frustrated with the GT500.

The engine is killer! Yet they didn't upgrade the transmission behind it to allow drivers to shift it fast.

The wheel-base is long. Yet they didn't put the wheels out back to take advantage.

They dumped a lot of money into track-tuning the suspension around VIR but they put 2-piston brakes out back.

They spent time/money with coating cylinder bores and they answer to driveline vibration is a 2-piece driveshaft that weighs over 20 pounds MORE than a 1-piece aluminum one.

They just did so much of the car SO RIGHT! and then totally screwed up the package on nickel/dime stuff.

m4a1mustang · 06-13-2011, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

You're welcome.

I am frustrated with the GT500.

The engine is killer! Yet they didn't upgrade the transmission behind it to allow drivers to shift it fast.

The wheel-base is long. Yet they didn't put the wheels out back to take advantage.

They dumped a lot of money into track-tuning the suspension around VIR but they put 2-piston brakes out back.

They spent time/money with coating cylinder bores and they answer to driveline vibration is a 2-piece driveshaft that weighs over 20 pounds MORE than a 1-piece aluminum one.

They just did so much of the car SO RIGHT! and then totally screwed up the package on nickel/dime stuff.

I'm sure the SVT engineers are frustrated about some of these things as well, but there is only so much they can do when ultimately the bean-counters are in charge.

Still, for what it is, it's amazing.

Here is a better show illustrating the new brakes:

And some neat little canards on the red one:

Lemers · 06-13-2011, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

They just did so much of the car SO RIGHT! and then totally screwed up the package on nickel/dime stuff.

That's Ford for you. And remember this is a $55k dragster not a $150k exotic. Ford had to make compromises.

m4a1mustang · 06-13-2011, 08:59 AM

And yes, those are 6-pot fronts.

With both cars you can clearly see the lower control arms. Not sure what R&T was thinking...

ImportConvert · 06-13-2011, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

And yes, those are 6-pot fronts.

With both cars you can clearly see the lower control arms. Not sure what R&T was thinking...

They do look like smaller 6-pots I agree. The rears appear unchanged to me, but it's rolling '12 rubber/rims. I think that Ford is doing some things though, and that this car is not "a package". Maybe they are just testing the brakes this day. Who knows?

I'm going to remain hopeful that 6-pots up front mean better things all around and they are just systematically testing it.

Ford has a real winner if they can tweak the bean counters arm juuuuust a touch!

m4a1mustang · 06-13-2011, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

They do look like smaller 6-pots I agree. The rears appear unchanged to me, but it's rolling '12 rubber/rims. I think that Ford is doing some things though, and that this car is not "a package". Maybe they are just testing the brakes this day. Who knows?

I'm going to remain hopeful that 6-pots up front mean better things all around and they are just systematically testing it.

Ford has a real winner if they can tweak the bean counters arm juuuuust a touch!

My guess is it is going to end up on the car. Ford typically hasn't tested any of their cars on the Nurburgring before, so the fact that they have two out there running gobs of laps probably means that they are just making sure the new stuff works.

toxik · 06-13-2011, 09:06 AM

regular mustang front end: :|

gt500 front end: :O

m4a1mustang · 06-13-2011, 09:07 AM

I like the regular Mustang front with the Boss 302 valence.

m4a1mustang · 06-13-2011, 11:46 AM

IC, the rears are a good bit larger:

ImportConvert · 06-13-2011, 11:50 AM

Holy crap. You are dead-right! I had forgotten how big the brakes on my G20 really were. Jeez what was Ford thinking with those.

In their defense, it stopped like 2 feet shorter from 60 or 70 or something than the Z06 carbon and GT-R in Edmund's testing, which is insane. However, I bet it only did it once every half hour, lol.

m4a1mustang · 06-13-2011, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Holy crap. You are dead-right! I had forgotten how big the brakes on my G20 really were. Jeez what was Ford thinking with those.

In their defense, it stopped like 2 feet shorter from 60 or 70 or something than the Z06 carbon and GT-R in Edmund's testing, which is insane. However, I bet it only did it once every half hour, lol.

Like I was saying in a previous post, the brakes are really good. Honestly better than my Akebono setup even with the tiny rears.

The advantage to the small rear rotors is that you can fit a 15" wheel with some slicks on them for the strip.

But I definitely welcome bigger brakes as I am not a drag racer.

ImportConvert · 06-13-2011, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Like I was saying in a previous post, the brakes are really good. Honestly better than my Akebono setup even with the tiny rears.

The advantage to the small rear rotors is that you can fit a 15" wheel with some slicks on them for the strip.

But I definitely welcome bigger brakes as I am not a drag racer.

They stop incredible, but look like they would fade faster than heck. Do they defy their looks there, too? I mean, Ford tested the thing on VIR, which does have some serious speed, but I noticed they refused to take it to the 'ring where the brakes could really get a workout.

m4a1mustang · 06-13-2011, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

They stop incredible, but look like they would fade faster than heck. Do they defy their looks there, too? I mean, Ford tested the thing on VIR, which does have some serious speed, but I noticed they refused to take it to the 'ring where the brakes could really get a workout.

No one has had any brake issues on track with the Brembo GT, Boss 302, or the GT500s that I have heard of. Dot-4 fluid and a track-oriented pad and they are fine.

For me, on the street with the most spirited driving (Dragon runs) I experienced absolutely zero fade. The fronts do the brunt of the work and they are fantastic.

At this point, I figured it'd be nice to inform you that the rears aren't even two-pots... they are one.

It makes me laugh because I am always like, "how can these be better than the Akebonos?" But somehow they are!

GZ3 · 06-13-2011, 02:08 PM

if you get other than a brembo equipped 5.0 the brakes are absolute chit....hate em...

Red370 · 06-13-2011, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GZ3

if you get other than a brembo equipped 5.0 the brakes are absolute chit....hate em...

Agreed. Gonna throw on some decent ceramic pads, braided lines and a steeda track pack before I hit the N-Ring this summer

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ImportConvert A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: SWMO Posts: 4,454 Drives: 2019 CX5 GT Reserve Rep Power: 7628	Holy crap. You are dead-right! I had forgotten how big the brakes on my G20 really were. Jeez what was Ford thinking with those. In their defense, it stopped like 2 feet shorter from 60 or 70 or something than the Z06 carbon and GT-R in Edmund's testing, which is insane. However, I bet it only did it once every half hour, lol.

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