The Genesis project.

jamcro · 03-23-2009, 09:31 AM

It's a sharp looking car, even though it looks like the offspring of a Civic & BMW... kind of. What turns me off so much about Hyundai (besides the lackluster performance) is how they rip off styling queues from other brands. Despite that, they did an overall good job of putting it together aesthetically.

ConceptVBS · 03-23-2009, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Zpil0t6

.....a 5.9 0-60 doesn't cut it.......that 1.2 seconds slower than the fastest 370z tested times. that so significan't.....

You pick the slowest Genesis Coupe times with the fastest 370Z times. Isnt this biased already?

FYI, the fastest time for the Genesis Coupe was a 5.5 (Motor trend) WITHOUT the ECU reflash correction exihibited by the early production models. Edmunds.com did a retest of their Genesis coupe with the reflash and reduced their 0-60 time by 0.5 secs from 6.4 to 5.9. Based off this number, you could theoretically take off 0.5 seconds off the 5.5 times to make it 5.0 sec flat. Not to shabby IF this holds true.

370Z = 4.7

Genesis Coupe = 5.5 (with 2 additional seats)

Lug · 03-24-2009, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ConceptVBS

You pick the slowest Genesis Coupe times with the fastest 370Z times. Isnt this biased already?

FYI, the fastest time for the Genesis Coupe was a 5.5 (Motor trend) WITHOUT the ECU reflash correction exihibited by the early production models. Edmunds.com did a retest of their Genesis coupe with the reflash and reduced their 0-60 time by 0.5 secs from 6.4 to 5.9. Based off this number, you could theoretically take off 0.5 seconds off the 5.5 times to make it 5.0 sec flat. Not to shabby IF this holds true.

No offense, but that's some pretty wonky maths. 306 HP + 263 Lbft of torque and a > 3400 lb curb weight doesn't get you to 5 seconds. This car is very close in specs to an older G35, which ain't to shabby but it's simply not getting near 5 secs.

Zpil0t6 · 03-25-2009, 08:02 AM

I was in the meat of the genesis board mebers, owners and other prospective tuners....

as the 2.0T represent a possible goldmine for shops that can delevelope "pakages' that will ut the little spec r in the mid 350-380 rwhp zone.

A half asses attempt was successful in this Hp acquisition. 363 rwhp but the torque curve was all funky and the map..the ecu defintely dops power as it reaches redline...pk torque was not at 5225 but more like 4000..... just plain weird.
meaning Hyundai probably won't be helpful..( good news for Us.) But the ecu will be cracked or pigybacked....costing the genesisi owner a few more dollars...

Now i just got an invite to Hyundai with an 11k check from hyundai corp. to buy a Genesis at msrp - 11k

I just may have to do this.....i don't deny i knida like it and it grows on you....and it is similar to thhe z and a few other cars i general shape.

Lastly let me address the 5.5 the motor is putting down...on a dynojet dyno just 10 hp less than a 370Z thats the difference.....so tey maybe underated..

hence the mokey numbers...... either its putting out 320 crank....or the z is lower.

than 332 crank

Hey can i show off my GTO with custom bodywork? aftermarket rims....and still i made it look stock......

these genesis in the pics ..some are real nice.....can't ever go wrong with a black out version..

CrownR426 · 03-30-2009, 09:50 PM

Honestly, I'm sure the price will be cheaper than the 370z.
I don't even know why everyone compares them both...
I think it would be better with the G37/335i.
I think this car looks great and is heck of a deal for its price also!
Just wouldn't get the first year if I was a serious buyer.
Probably wait 2 years then get one.
Really, really, disappointed at the hp/torque #'s.

BobDigi5060 · 03-31-2009, 03:13 AM

It's a good car for what it is. A 2.0T Track is listed for $26k and you could either make it put down more power or possibly handle as good if not better than a base Z. Please. You couldn't list a base g37 for $30k.

Most Z owners would probably be spending $50k+ on a new Cayman S if there budget were that much.

BanningZ · 03-31-2009, 05:49 AM

^ I disagree. Its not alway about performance. I personally don't like the Cayman's looks
It looks too much like a Boxster to me(yes I know its the same platform). I always found the Boxter to be a weak looking car. I think the 370Z has a good performance look combined with a mid-elegance which leans toward classic. The Hyundai is ugly. It looks like a G37 had a defective baby.

Lug · 03-31-2009, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BanningZ

^ I disagree. Its not alway about performance. I personally don't like the Cayman's looks
It looks too much like a Boxster to me(yes I know its the same platform). I always found the Boxter to be a weak looking car. I think the 370Z has a good performance look combined with a mid-elegance which leans toward classic. The Hyundai is ugly. It looks like a G37 had a defective baby.

Now you've gone and made defective babies everywhere cry. I hope you're happy.

BanningZ · 03-31-2009, 04:41 PM

Was not my intention^

frost · 04-05-2009, 12:22 PM

prestigious
1 : standing or estimation in the eyes of people : weight or credit in general opinion
2 : commanding position in people's minds

Seems fitting for the Z

dad · 04-05-2009, 12:32 PM

Epik · 04-07-2009, 10:20 AM

Hey, I'm not the one who brought prestige into this. I like the 370Z, I think it's a fantastic sports car. But you must see the hypocrisy of putting down the Genesis Coupe, saying the 370Z has prestige, and then getting upset when someone else has a similar attitude.

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Originally Posted by Zpil0t6

In summation.....i feel bad for Hyundai. They had the right idea...but they HAVE to know that for 1k differnce.....A Nissan Z has prestige, and heritage.

BanningZ · 04-07-2009, 09:27 PM

^what?

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Originally Posted by frost

prestigious
1 : standing or estimation in the eyes of people : weight or credit in general opinion
2 : commanding position in people's minds

Seems fitting for the Z

^Hyundai does not = this.
The Genesis does not = this

The Z is an icon and prestige is one of the words associates with that icon. Another word to use when comparing the Z to the Genesis is "Better". As in the 370Z is better overall than the Genesis in looks performance, and name.

A German badge on a vehicle does not mean better, but it does say that you paid more.

A Hyundai badge...IDK what that means...maybe you couldn't afford the Z.

BobDigi5060 · 04-07-2009, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BanningZ

^what?

^Hyundai does not = this.
The Genesis does not = this

The Z is an icon and prestige is one of the words associates with that icon. Another word to use when comparing the Z to the Genesis is "Better". As in the 370Z is better overall than the Genesis in looks performance, and name.

A German badge on a vehicle does not mean better, but it does say that you paid more.

A Hyundai badge...IDK what that means...maybe you couldn't afford the Z.

So would a Z badge mean that you couldn't afford a Porsche?

Somebody in the market for a Genesis wouldn't be looking too hard at the Z. G37 or 3 series on the other hand.......

AK370Z · 04-10-2009, 10:27 AM

Keep it civil or thread gets Locked. No personal attacks. This has always been a very sensitive subject in our forum.

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BanningZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: nowhere Posts: 5,478 Drives: 06' Nismo Frontier Rep Power: 30	^ I disagree. Its not alway about performance. I personally don't like the Cayman's looks It looks too much like a Boxster to me(yes I know its the same platform). I always found the Boxter to be a weak looking car. I think the 370Z has a good performance look combined with a mid-elegance which leans toward classic. The Hyundai is ugly. It looks like a G37 had a defective baby. __________________ Become a Premium Member: Click HERE MB 06' Nismo VQ40DE

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03-23-2009, 09:31 AM	#1 (permalink)
jamcro Base Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Edm, Canada Posts: 72 Drives: White 370Z Rep Power: 18	It's a sharp looking car, even though it looks like the offspring of a Civic & BMW... kind of. What turns me off so much about Hyundai (besides the lackluster performance) is how they rip off styling queues from other brands. Despite that, they did an overall good job of putting it together aesthetically.

03-25-2009, 08:02 AM	#4 (permalink)
Zpil0t6 Base Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 52 Drives: 07 Zo6,06 GTO,05Busa Rep Power: 18	I was in the meat of the genesis board mebers, owners and other prospective tuners.... as the 2.0T represent a possible goldmine for shops that can delevelope "pakages' that will ut the little spec r in the mid 350-380 rwhp zone. A half asses attempt was successful in this Hp acquisition. 363 rwhp but the torque curve was all funky and the map..the ecu defintely dops power as it reaches redline...pk torque was not at 5225 but more like 4000..... just plain weird. meaning Hyundai probably won't be helpful..( good news for Us.) But the ecu will be cracked or pigybacked....costing the genesisi owner a few more dollars... Now i just got an invite to Hyundai with an 11k check from hyundai corp. to buy a Genesis at msrp - 11k I just may have to do this.....i don't deny i knida like it and it grows on you....and it is similar to thhe z and a few other cars i general shape. Lastly let me address the 5.5 the motor is putting down...on a dynojet dyno just 10 hp less than a 370Z thats the difference.....so tey maybe underated.. hence the mokey numbers...... either its putting out 320 crank....or the z is lower. than 332 crank Hey can i show off my GTO with custom bodywork? aftermarket rims....and still i made it look stock...... these genesis in the pics ..some are real nice.....can't ever go wrong with a black out version..

03-31-2009, 03:13 AM	#6 (permalink)
BobDigi5060 Base Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 49 Drives: 2013 G37X Rep Power: 18	It's a good car for what it is. A 2.0T Track is listed for $26k and you could either make it put down more power or possibly handle as good if not better than a base Z. Please. You couldn't list a base g37 for $30k. Most Z owners would probably be spending $50k+ on a new Cayman S if there budget were that much.

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frost Retired admin Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Winterfell Posts: 106,613 Drives: Your Wife Crazy Rep Power: 0	prestigious 1 : standing or estimation in the eyes of people : weight or credit in general opinion 2 : commanding position in people's minds Seems fitting for the Z

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