2011 Mustang 5.0 Turbo

chewonyou · 08-10-2010, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by phelan

Good lord, think about it from a COST standpoint already. I tried to point that out to you before, and you don't listen. You must be an engineer or something because you get your head wrapped up in all the technological details, and forget there is still a FINANCIAL aspect of designing and manufacturing any type of hardware.

Do you honestly think that a race-ready LSD will make its way to the masses? It is a VERY SMALL percentage of people in the world who will push the car to its limit, no matter a Z or a Ferrari. To those people, yes, the LSD will make them very happy, and they will pony up for the additional parts. I'm sure you're one of those people who would love to see this, considering you live your life a quarter-mile at a time.

To the rest of the masses who use a car to go from point A to point B, why do they care that they get a race-ready LSD? How does it affect their drive down a crowded freeway to get to work? The simple answer is IT DOES NOT. Would you buy a part that you will never get full value for? I doubt it, and I think the average and sensible driver would do away with it if it can save them some money. Especially with the economy gone (and continuing to go) to Hell.

Fact of the matter is, Nissan has already performed a cost-benefit trade study on the Z, and has determined the car is good enough as-is to support the biggest market it possibly can, from the low-end 'looking for a nice new car with enough fast out of the box' all the way to the top 'i'm going to make 1000hp with this thing'. Also, one of the last great things the Z has going for it is its overall value for the money, and even now the original designer thinks it's too expensive already. You start putting all this excess technology the typical driver does not need, you unnecessarily drive the cost point of the car up, and alienate buyers who might have bought for a couple thousand cheaper, all the while cheapening the legacy of the Nissan Z.

Again, car manufacturers are looking to please the majority of buyers. You want specialized? Go get yourself a damn Ferrari already.

And before you even start spewing that I'm afraid of the Z getting upgraded - I'm sure the next-generation Z will have some new tech or whatnot. I understand that. I look forward to new technology in future cars. But the 370Z was JUST released in 2009. It is far too early to be shelving the design already, so I don't expect to see anything happening for another few years at the minimum. And even then I will not love my Z any less - it already brings a smile to my face everyday, I can't fathom why a few nuts and bolts would change that in the future.

Whether a car requires a redesign is not really dependent on how old the design is, it is dependent on how competitive the market is.

As for the rest of your post, if you're talking about the 370z being good enough and practical enough, how does it realistically compare to the '11 Mustang GT.

A '11 Mustang GT 6MT (HID, Security, Brembo, gears) is still cheaper than a '10 370z 6MT Sport + Touring by a long shot. It is also far more practical for everyday driving as well.

Seems like Nissan has itself boxed into a corner from it's competitors. It's going to be tough to keep the price down while at the same time introducing improvements that will make it competitive with the segment.

GZ3 · 08-11-2010, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by mrcardio

A true sports car can run more than a couple hard laps without oil temps sky rocketing, its LSD not working the way it should and brakes that perform up to par longer than a few minutes of track work.

Like I said, hopefully Nissan fixes these issues and comes up with a new engine while they're at it. The rest of the car is pretty decent IMO, just needs decent LSD w/ remoter cooler, oil cooler, appropriate pads, and less trashy, more torque, better sounding motor.

I would definitely expect it to cost a good 2-4k more to start but if that means a proper sports car with proper equipment I’m game. Perhaps Nissan could still offer then Z with the sub par LSD, trashy VQ, etc for a lower price and make everyone happy.

not everyone has the oil heating issue. Good brake pads are pretty cheap. I love the way you bash the current Z when all you drive is a POS MS3, in almost every thread i read where you post your garbage you contribute nothing but negativity towards the Z34....if you dont like it, quit your bitching and move on. Im pretty sure where all tired of your gayness so

phelan · 08-11-2010, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by chewonyou

1)Whether a car requires a redesign is not really dependent on how old the design is, it is dependent on how competitive the market is.

2)As for the rest of your post, if you're talking about the 370z being good enough and practical enough, how does it realistically compare to the '11 Mustang GT.

A '11 Mustang GT 6MT (HID, Security, Brembo, gears) is still cheaper than a '10 370z 6MT Sport + Touring by a long shot. It is also far more practical for everyday driving as well.

3Seems like Nissan has itself boxed into a corner from it's competitors. It's going to be tough to keep the price down while at the same time introducing improvements that will make it competitive with the segment.

1) All the more reason to keep the current design for a while. Let's face it, there isn't a lot of 'free money' going around, so sports cars aren't exactly flying off the lot. I think we'll have the Z34 design lasting us a few years, so Nissan recovers its .

2) Look, doing a comparison between the 370Z and the Mustang is a debate for the magazines. You can look at numbers, times, and available options all you want. Ultimately the decision you make is based on your own SUBJECTIVE opinions. What I think is important may differ from your own viewpoint, which is why I've been saying for a while that you need to sit in all the cars you're considering, take it out for a drive, and feel for yourself. This comparison stuff written by someone else is BS.

For the record I'm not trying to knock on the Mustang or anything. I realize it's a GREAT car for the price, and I think I'd be pretty happy if I had one. But in my opinion it's not a car I'm going to drive the Z back to the lot and go to the nearest sales rep to say "gimme that mustang you have in the front lot NOW".

3) Yeah, the way things stand, Nissan will have a beast of a time with the new Zs. It's always been a niche car, but now it's getting a bit...more so.

BACK TO THE MUSTANGS!

Sibze · 08-11-2010, 10:16 AM

Holy f this thread is STILL open! My god. We are not making AK work hard enough

GZ3 · 08-11-2010, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Sibze

Holy f this thread is STILL open! My god. We are not making AK work hard enough

fullmonty · 08-11-2010, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Sibze

Holy f this thread is STILL open! My god. We are not making AK work hard enough

Look at Malibu

Datsun · 08-12-2010, 03:37 PM

The Mustang is really fast I test drove one ,but not too crazy about the interior and looks.

Hyundai next year is coming out with a 5.0 with 429 rwh that looks closer to the Z, should be interesting.

m4a1mustang · 08-12-2010, 03:37 PM

NISSAN, puhleaaze cram the 5.6L into the next model Z!!!

Lemers · 08-12-2010, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

NISSAN, puhleaaze cram the 5.6L into the next model Z!!!

Why stop at the 5.6? Let's beat out the camaro in displacement w/ a 6.3

m4a1mustang · 08-12-2010, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemers

Why stop at the 5.6? Let's beat out the camaro in displacement w/ a 6.3

I think 5.6L is big enough.

theDreamer · 08-12-2010, 09:04 PM

Well first thing is getting Nissan to look at putting a V8 into the Z, then we can worry about displacement.

m4a1mustang · 08-12-2010, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Well first thing is getting Nissan to look at putting a V8 into the Z, then we can worry about displacement.

If anything Nissan will put a smaller engine in so we can be green.

Nissan 230Z Leaf Edition.

I can see it now...

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Originally Posted by 230Z Leaf NISMO Owner

I am only getting 35 mpg? I thought the NISMO was supposed to get 5 more mpg than the Green package 230Z?

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Originally Posted by 230Z Leaf 45th Anniversary Owner

Can we get some build number plaques for our 45th Anniversaries? Maybe made out of recycled soda cans?

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Originally Posted by 230Z Leaf Owner

Hey guys, I just beat a Prius by 2 lengths!

Lemers · 08-12-2010, 09:14 PM

They can copy ford and chevy's model by offering 2 engine choices. 1 small underpowered and cheap. The second huge and faster.

m4a1mustang · 08-12-2010, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemers

They can copy ford and chevy's model by offering 2 engine choices. 1 small underpowered and cheap. The second huge and faster.

That wouldn't really work for a specialty car like the Z, though.

The Mustang offers some practicality, so it makes sense to stick a V6 in it for 80% of total sales.

Granted the 2011 V6 is pretty stout... 305 HP.

Datsun · 08-12-2010, 09:22 PM

I will take a V6 turbo please.

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