It's gonna be considered a boyracer car. Affordable and small and now Scion, boyracer written all over it.

Just imagine if the V-6 Mustang could lose about 400 lbs. It would then come in around 3000, with 300 hp and you could probably get 35mpg in mostly highway driving. I don't see any reason why nearly every brand couldn't create an affordable sports car/coupe near that spec range.

Safety regulations.

I think the price will come high enough that it won't be.

I've seen evo's called boyracers. And those are more than what these are projected to sell for.

Different kind of car though.

Still it gonna apeal to a younger crowd due to price and it's make (Scion) who advertises to kids. It's gonna be driven by mainly 18 to 20 somethings. I'm not saying its a bad thing. I just think its gonna get a rep of a boyracer.

It might, but due to price, it will be sitting alongside the z. I bet it gets a rep similar to the 350.

Isnt it gonna be $25k. 2 years used will be in or near teens even a kid with $2000 down and 60 month can get the loan.

Correctomundo. Toyota wants this to be a "cornering car", but it would be nice if it can compete with similar cars in it's price range in a straight line. I'm afraid that it will be over $25K and have under 200hp, thus making more like an RX-8 than a Z. We can only wait for the final specs to be released...

I'm fine with that. Everything has to start somewhere. At the end, all car companies car about is the bottom line. I don't think Toyota would car about performance if they could sell bajillion of the cars, like the tC.

I mean, how the heck did Scion tC got so many sales between 2004 - 2007? Price and looks. I'm pretty sure performance isn't something Toyota wants if it can't move metal to the people. Hell, there are more convertible mustangs sold in U.S. than 370z.

I don't buy that "we can't make cars much lighter because of safety regulations" crap. If safety regs. cause a need for added weight, how does Lotus get away with a 2100 lb car with 200hp?

There's nothing to them.

It is safety regulations, and to make it the same weight or lighter requires more expensive equipment which raise the price.

which makes sense.. the lotus is almost twice as much as this 'yota...

mo money mo problems... but less weight

There are rumours that the FR-S might be around 2200 lbs, but don't take my word for that.

Not in a million years. A 2010 Miata weighs in at over 2400 lbs.

Test mule!

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/5...tachmentjo.jpg

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5015/ft86spy.jpg

Looks like the Euro version though, like the 2nd concept, not the 3rd.

The concept 1 car supposedly weighed in at 1000KG -- which is about 2200 lbs, but there's no way that will make it into production -- I dunno whether that even made it into concept 2. I'd be happy with 2700lbs. Given today's weights, that's a lightweight car

Look at that thing, no way it weighs under 2800lbs. I'm guessing it is going to come in a little over 3000 lbs.

We'll talk power to weight when the actual numbers come in.

I see a 2JZ swap in its future

i'm sure the engineers at toyota thought about that and engineered the car so that the 2jz wont fit and therefore any hopes of having the car actually be fast will be ruined.:p

Oh no. To some on this site engine swaps are too difficult to do.

:rolleyes:

I know the Z is heavy, but this car was developed to have a lightweight distribution. The 2000 Accord sedan weights under 3000 lbs, so I could definitely see this weighing at around 2,700 lbs. Nothing is official yet, so we just have to wait for the final specs.

might break a nail?

More accurately, pointless In this car

You can add probably about 250 lbs in just safety equipment to that 2000 Accord if it were built today. The 350Z had to go up 150 lbs in 2006 due to new safety requirements and Nissan claims they added something like an extra 100 lbs of safety equpment between the 350Z and the 370Z (it's why about 1/2 the weight savings in the new design was lost).

Oh my gosh I can't wait for the final production <3

^ I'm guessing you are being sarcastic. I am honestly looking forward to this as a replacement for my Mazda3 daily driver (not as a replacement for the Z).

Given how fun my Mazda3 is to throw around I imagine the *86 to be even more fun -- it will be lighter, more powerful by about 50 hp with a better center of gravity and weight distribution all in a decent looking coupe body.

If it is light + turbo'd I'll seriously consider a trade, tbh.

No I really can't wait haha! It's just exciting to see a new contender. I used to have a Scion and I loved it.

If Toyota can pull this FT-86 model off with Scion, then Scion will be a name to be recognize and not just another Chick's car brand.

Let the Scion "rice" begin:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...1&d=1305719133

:ugh2: :shakes head:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1305

edit: Some people are saying that it is the exact same wing as the WRX STI, but whatever the case is, it looks ridiculous and is unnecessary on a 200hp car.

It's not rice if it's got a Subaru power plant, which it does. Subaru makes their rear spoiler functional. Are you saying that cars with over 200hp only deserve a spoiler wing?

It's more for aesthetics... not necessarily for racing purposes. Otherwise they'd put a GT style wing. But honestly any car without some sort of wing looks unfinished imo. Even the Z has a little lip spoiler on the sport package which although I'm not a fan of lip spoilers is better than nothing at all.

is it just me, or do the swirls do a terrible job of hiding what the car looks like

Because it's still and you can look at lighting/shading no. But imagine passing it on the street @ speed, you'd never notice 1 line.