2 quarters through the 2011 Fiscal Year and no FT-86. Hell Toyota is showing a new concept. You guys still thinking 2011?

I'm hoping it stays true to the original concept as a light 200hp RWD sport coupe. If so, it will be my new daily driver, not a replacement for my Z.

Im on their forums and people are really REALLY dissapointed with the choice to launch it as a Scion. They already had the TC, so why did they need a second car. Ppl were like umm were gonna go buy the subaru version instead. Scion is just known for being cheap and putting the cheapest stuff in their cars. Everyone wanted it as a Toyota by far. I would much rather buy a 370z vs a FT, but I did have high hopes for the car which made me follow it closely!

Scion = fail. In every way.

Toyota doesnt want to ruin their rep with the elderly, by making a sports car.

I'd probably get the Subaru version anyways, but it would have been nice as a yota.

is this even gonna happen thanks to japans problems?

Yeap, they have left the Sport Car to the Lexus brand. :shakes head:

it looks a lot like a celica in those pictures...

I think the styling aspects that will carry over to the production car will make it look sick.

So Scion just released their shitty version of the car, Most ppl wre like if its only gonna launch as a scion, we will debadge it....you guys should like this....


http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...d79/Scion1.jpg

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...d79/Scion2.jpg

NO gettin rid of that Scion Tail light, ewwww

this is prototype based on the platform. Not yet confirmed that it will be built and not a production design.

Yeah, and there's no way that Scion light would make it to production.

I've got no problem with it being badged as a scion. And yeah the rear tail, just like the tire tread will never see the light of the factory floor so you can rest easy lol But I wanna see this go into production cause I'd seriously consider this as my first Red car. :tup:

I'd prefer it to come as a Toyota, just to avoid the scion stigma. I'd probably buy the subaru version if the Toyota one was badged as a scion.

Is the Subie version the FT-86? or is that what turned into the FR-S... I've been so out of the loop with this thing... I'd like to see a Subie version myself. I'm guessing with it having a Subie powerplant, it would be very easy to turbo??

The subaru version should come turbo'd from what I hear. It will be the same platform, same engine and everything.

That is the other reason people are going to jump to subaru, TURBO!

The toyota version will almost definitely have a turbo option as well though.

Damn you guys are out of the loop. Inside information from both companies has eluded to the fact that there will not be a turbo version, or at least not for the first year or two. The subaru version will also not be AWD (which is pissing off a lot of suby guys). The car is slated to have 170-200hp and come in with a weight of 2700-3000lbs. Originally it was estimated to have 220hp and 2600lbs but that has now but squashed. That's not to say that these specs are set in stone, we won't know that until it's released, but inside informers have basically said this will be a miata fighter and not something that will step up to the likes of the 370z/mustang/camaro/genesis. Also, price is said to be 20-25k. Lastly, for engine specs pay attention to the new 2012 impreza that was just released. Sources say it will be the same engine that will power the FT-86.

I think you're actually more out of the loop.

The car will be priced much closer to 30k, not 20-25k.

It's been well known for a while that the car won't be AWD. The engine placement does not allow for the use of subaru's AWD system.

The engine will be a tuned up EJ20, or the new FB20. Subaru is currently planning to release only a turbo edition, while toyota is planning on releasing several. It's been known since the beginning that the car would be focused more on being lightweight and fun, rather than powerful.

This may all change, of course, since even the manufacturers don't know for sure what will happen at this point.

3rd concept of this car from Toyota? And they haven't backed up the release yet? Come on. Soonest you will see this on the street if at all will end of '12 as a '13.

they just announced Nov '11. The subaru should be around Feb '12.

I like it... Although I think it needs more grunt to pull off that look.

I'll believe that when I see it. It takes time to go from concept to production line. Even if that concept is near production.

Looks like my next car :) The lines are very sleek and exotic.

Most of the hard work is done. Chassis and engine are completely production ready.

All over the suby boards (ex suby owner myself) it is known that there will NOT be a turbo motor for either brand right off the bat. The new FB20 motor is said to use toyota DI for a boost in power and mpg which will achieve 180hp. I'm just passing on the info I've been reading from several suby boards. Could be wrong info I suppose but a turbo has been out of the equation since the beginning of the year.

Also one has to think, 25-30k for a sub 200hp car. Sure it might be light, nimble and fun to drive but so is the 370z which actually has power to back it up. I just don't see many people paying the price for this car when so many other cars in it's price segment would out run it. Then again the miata sells decently so I guess there are those who will. A lot of people are saying the car is for cornering not speed. Then I think, I destroy miata's at the auto-x events I go to with my 370z and at the end of the day I can still pull a 13 sec 1/4 mile. Why oh why would I want an Ft-86 when for almost the same amount I can have a Z.

I actually like the MK1 rear a whole lot more than this one. Though I'm not sure if the fron bumper would stay because it's not gonna fit into EU safety standards (hence why a lot of cars has egg shape front).

180HP and 2800lbs is NOT considered light by past means. That's pretty much prelude standards, and they're considered "slower" cars around the track when compared to RSX and Civic in the Honda line. My Celica is 2550lbs and it has 180hp, 164hp on the wheels. I'm sure this has more torque, but 30lbs of torque will not make up the extra 300+ lbs.

I added a video of the debut of the 3rd concept in the original post if any of you were interested, it might clear up some of your questions.

not bad for a toyata. :D

It's beautiful -- but needs turbo!

Nasioc?

I'll admit, the concept looks absolutely awesome, but I can assure you we are in for a HUGE disappointment when the final specs are confirmed. It will be all show, no go. Subaru will be the one that eventually ends up with the big boy version of this car.


What really pisses me off is that IMO, an ideal balanced car in the affordable sports car segment should be between 2800-3000 lbs with 275-300 hp. It's almost as if it can't be done. Out of all the car brands I don't think there is a single car that fits those specs. The Z and the RX-8 are probably the 2 closest cars to that range. The 8 needs about 50 more HP and the Z needs to lose about 2-3oo lbs.

I think the FR-S is targeted to perspective buyers as being a sporty/fuel-economic car. It is more of a CR-Z competitor than anything else, except without the hybrid aspect. If it can get 30 mpg and go 0-60 in a little over 6 seconds, I think that is admirable.

Which is why people will be upset.
I think most were hoping for a lightweight RWD sport coupe, MPG is not something they should be considering, just a bonus if it happens.

But with new standards MPG is what car companies need to worry about.

Not really, a lot of companies are only 5mpg away from the new standards and some have just released their electric cars with more on the way. That there will give companies like Ford, Nissan, etc. the ability to keep low MPG cars

The 6 banger Mustang does better than that for about $22K, MSRP.

Yeah, but it will corner like a dump truck by comparison :p

That said, don't get me wrong -- I'm in the "this car needs decent HP" camp. A lot of the fan base apparently is unconcerned with how fast this thing is in a straight line.