Isn't that the Canadian birth ritual?
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Th e supra I s definitely not disappointing in terms of performance. I wish they invented their own interior though. It still looks like a preproduction.

My apologies if someone already posted this - but if it the Supra is beating out the M2 Competition along with the Cayman while being cheaper and assuming more reliable (Toyota quality), it will definitely put the Supra on the top of the list for me.

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/toyo...mparison-test/

There is no Toyota quality here friend. It's a BMW Supra. And the king of cheap sports cars yet reliable with performance is dormant right now. I'll give you a hint, it's name ends with the last letter of the alphabet.

I’m sure it’s buried somewhere in this 20 page topic - but there is a video of the collaboration between BMW and Toyota. The reliability was definitely on the Toyota part and they made it a point to kick things back if it didn’t pass Toyo’s standards. I’m not disagreeing with you that the whole BMW and Toyota collab is a bit frustrating, lack of a manual option as well as the interior looks more BMW than Toyota; but it seems like it might be a real competitor within a decent price point. I would at least WANT (doubt anyone will be able to do it till you agree to price/financing) to test drive it to see if it’s all hype or if there is something. :driving:

Crazy that they have wasted all they hype of the launch by not following it up with product. That cannot be planned. So are there quality problems, production issues, or what?

I went in search of one again yesterday. Nothing but blank stares from the dealership when I tried to get a drop date.

It seems that by the time someone actually spots this unicorn, the next big thing will take some of the wind out of Supra’s sails.

They might be gauging interest in it before deciding on how many to build. They don't want to build say 50,000 and only sell 35,000. Then have 15,000 sitting going for a reduced price later. That would hurt them.

Oh I know it will be a fun to drive just because it's BMW. I used to own a E92 M3. Most of their cars except the SUVs are pretty fun. This new BMW looks like it is a higher performer (at least on paper) and lighter weight than my ancient E92.

From experience with other launches, they get expressions of interest (even down to deposits on some cars), and once people find out cars just aren't coming in enough volume to meet demand, 60% back out. They hear about the next "flavour of the month" and decide to wait for that. Or in this case, jump to the BMW twin. Once early adopters start posting problems or mediocre reviews, even more people start to question the wisdom of continuing to wait.

So, in the end, they sell a lot fewer cars. Toyota doesn't need to flood the market, but they had numbers to make a business case for the car. They should have timed the release to coincide closer to actually having units to sell.

Somebody needs to throw himself on his sword, if this was the plan. The other options are that issues have come up in pre-production cars (cooling, for instance), or there are production problems.

If anybody is thinking about getting the new Supra, I would just wait for the new RX7 but I heard that it is going to cost more than $50k..

https://www-autoblog-com.cdn.ampproj...meter-tests%2F

These dyno numbers are sick. Downpipes intake exhaust BOV and a stage 1 conservative tune will probably throw it in the GTR world.

Those numbers are impressive... but it's just so bloody ugly!

It might look better in person? I personally think it looks Kool. But it could be like the GTR. On video and pic the GTR looks hum drum. Then in person it has so much presence it's crazy!! You never know?

i think it looks cool ... I liked how it looked in the pictures and liked it even more after seeing it in person a few weeks back.

I'm probably going to look into getting one a year or two down the road. The mark up should be dead by then.

I always liked the look of the new Supra and I'm sure it's even better in person. It doesn't really have a lot of curves like the old one but it definitely looks way more athletic. And the GTR is a MASSIVE car. I would even call it muscle car-ish just from it's presence alone.

When I parked my Z next to one, my Z looked like a cute girl, you can tell she does squats but she looks a tiny bit overweight but it's in the right places. The GTR looked like a muscular woman that will break your face and put you into a full nelson. But, I always liked a sturdy looking woman that can defend herself lol

I like it, but remain disappointed by how German it is.

I really like the aftermarket support they built into this car and the performance numbers it's putting up. Not 100% sold on the looks but with some wheels and a drop it's looking pretty good. Nissan needs to tease us with something about the next Z already

WHY DON'T one of yinz just buy one and get it over with. Nothing like reading rehash...rehash.

I’d have test driven one by now, except it’s nowhere to be found where I live yet.
Presumably, dealership will only get one to start with, as a showroom model that won’t get any test drives, or more likely sell ASAP at “market adjusted” (read: “sucker”) price. They don’t get many Toyota’s they can do that with!

Anyone see one available yet?

i would pick up one this year if it's available for msrp. But knowing how it went down with the Civic Type R, I doubt i will be able to find one for msrp which is why i'm going to wait a year or two.

yeah, that is the unfortunate thing. It probably will have a mark up on it and probably no test drives too. (it was the same way with the Type R)

The car is supposedly available for sale in the states starting 7/22 for the launch edition and late august for the other trims so we still have a few months.

I'd personally wait a year or two. It's a good sign that Toyota supposedly reviewed every component, but as with any new car, you never know.

Also if you plan on modding, good to know what will work and what won't — and if you'd really think it's worth voiding warranty. I'm not sure how long it took for the ZSpeed HD CSC option to come into existence, but it surely wasn't overnight.

The Supra does NOT have a lower COG than the 86. Go figure... they been saying it would from jump street.

https://www-caranddriver-com.cdn.amp...laim-tested%2F

Interesting.
They show CGZ dimensions of:
Supra (in form tested) = 19.5" off the ground.
Toyota 86 = 18".

For reference, they also say
Mustang Shelby GT350 = 19.5"

And from other sources:
Lotus Elise = 18.8"
Alfa Romeo 4C = 16"

Wish they'd publish a list of all sports cars they've tested!

It's pretty hard to bead due to engine layout, etc.

Late to the convo... but I saw it in person 2 weeks ago at ToyotaFest here in SoCal

Looks really good in person and is smaller than I thought it would be. Biggest problem for me is I just don't trust BMW's reliability with the drivetrain.

I also randomly saw one with full camo as a test car on Monday so I am not sure what they were testing or if BMW plans on launching a coupe version of their own.

http://www.the370z.com/attachments/o...2020-supra.jpg

http://www.the370z.com/attachments/o...-mkv-supra.jpg

That looks gooooood.....wow.

http://www.the370z.com/attachments/o...-mkv-supra.jpg

From the back it looks like it is giving birth to another car.

Nope!

I want to like this model... But I just can't trick my eyes into liking ugly (like I could in college).

Good looking car, but definitely not one I'd buy in white. Darker colors better on t his one, I think.

This past gen of bimmers have shown better reliability than past. I'm sure toyotas influence will make it a lil better. White isn't the most flattering color. But I'm sure black or grey will bring the car out better.

Honestly, better in person

LOL I see it now

Interior and seats look really good

Black or Red look really good but I am digging the white

I totally agree that the current gen of Bimmers are probably more reliable but I just can't ever seeing myself buying one, I know it's probably irrational but I always stick to Japanese built cars only. :tiphat:

My best friend has a BMW Master shop and he always tells me to stay away from BMW's lol

I feel u. I stay away from them too. But I trust Toyota. Lol

Yeah, double-bagger for sure! :roflpuke2:

But I’ll save judgement until I see one in person

Some psycho paid $2,100,000 for s Supra... Dumb azz!!!

https://gearpatrol.com/2019/06/26/so...upra-number-1/

That’ll feed the “market adjustment” fires at some dealerships!

He should have given me that money. Because he would be better off in the long run. :tup:

I've got a bridge for sale. I wonder if he's interested?

I just want to be a dependent with a nice allowance. :tup:

Tell me bout it... lol

LOL

Get in line behind my swamp land, er, "property with a water feature"!

I saw this video on the Supra... IM REALLY warming up to it.