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I am loving the new GR TRD Supra...even in yellow I will take it.
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That yellow is hot! I'll take one too! |
Like it but it is too small for anyone over 5'9
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Grossly UNDERRATED horsepower coming out the Supra. It dynoed 339hp 421ft lbs tq at the wheels. That explains why people are bucking around in the Supra like in my camaro. This is how a sports car should feel. TORQUEY! At this time .. My only complai t is the interior isn't original and that it doesn't have a manual handbrake. But the car itself seems rather impressive. Seems like it has almost everything a "TRUE ENTHUSIAST" needs .. Let me reiterate true. In other words, if you talk about creature comforts, tech, gas mileage and anything outside of tuning performance, and getting the most out of your drive. Youre not a true enthusiast
Like every other car this car is about $3,000 overpriced. But this is the norm in the car market. The Supra seems to be everything I hoped the Z to be. My only performance complaint aside from it being too front heavy was it was low on torque. My gut tells me Toyota was on our forum listening while nissan was on Tesla's forum trying to reinvent themselves. Hopefully, Nissan will wake up from their sleep. https://www-caranddriver-com.cdn.amp...o-horse2Fer%2F |
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From what I read on the Supra forum Toyota was given a slightly different motor than the Z4. They may have also been restricted by BMW in the hp it could make. So, they tuned it to have an *** load of torque (damn near 500 crank). My initial thoughts are that it's a chicken **** move that it's so underrated, but now I'm glad lol. FBO ought to be a blast, enough power for most, and well worth the money. $50k is about right, but if prices drop below $45,000 it will sway many. Seems like a good buy, but if I had a Z I wouldn't get ride of it for a Supra unless I had to (and was over the Z). If you like the Supra, keep the Z as you will likely miss it and the two are very different. |
Engineering Explained compares the Supra to 86 TRD.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJQo0tZ5Jmg He's not saying bad things about the Supra, but it is an honest comparison to a known quantity. Spoiler - he says the 86 is more fun, although the Supra is the better performer. Dollar for dollar - hmmmm. |
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The Supra may well be a far better car than he is a driver - that's not a bad thing, if you want to dedicate yourself to improving on the track. But it almost takes a racetrack to get the goodies out of something like the Supra. Not quite on a par with Porsche or supercars, but a more serious entry than the 86 which is just a blast to drive anywhere, period. The lesser Toyota can be driven at the limit in most situations, and therefore needs some major mods to satisfy a serious track driver as skill levels progress. The Supra is more capable, but on the street will be less fun. I'm not trying to diminish the Supra in any way, but since 99.9% of people who buy either car will not ever even drive it past the gate of a race track, I think it is a fair comment and a comparison that needed to be made. And if you look at Jason's other video's, he's definitely under-stating his own driving skills. He's done a lot of track driving with competent instruction, including the Porsche Winter Driving Experience. He's just not the type to go out and flog a car every weekend chasing tenths like some of us. He also hasn't learned many bad habits. At first, by the title, I thought that it was going to just be click-bait. But after watching the video, I think it made sense. |
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Forget the windows. How many posts here are "if it only had a manual"? The 86 does. The Supra . . . might. And forget the horsepower. Supra has the exact same horsepower per ton that the 370Z has. The reason to go to the new Toyota is the torque provided by the turbo motor. That's a fact. BTW, the S2K is boring as hell to drive unless you rev it above 7K. That gets really old after a while on the street. Your neighbours won't love you, but you'll enjoy tinnitus for the rest of your life! Most people (myself included) don't know how to handle a car well enough on track for the first several years anyway, and giving them all that HP is doing them a disservice. Putting them in a 400HP rocket usually only masks their mistakes. Giving it to them for the street - can you say "Mustang"? :rofl2: Anyway, if this chart displays properly, then the only thing you need to figure in is the fun factor, which is too subjective to measure and will be different for everyone here... http://www.the370z.com/attachments/o...5.46.34-pm.png EDIT - sorry - don't know how to make the chart appear larger. :-( |
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Like I said... Were in a Z forum. Did u own a Z? Did you track it? If you did 300hp at the wheels? Then u can graduate to 400? But anyway. To each his own. 370 = Hanz Supra = Franz 86= needs to get pumped up!!:rofl2: :owned: U wanna manual. Camaro SS 1LE. So friggin underappreciated.It will be a classic to a generation that will appreciate more than uber Starbucks and being gender binary |
I'll stick with manufacturer's HP specs. Different dyno's are notoriously bad to use for comparisons unless you have one of the very top echelon. So the HP output and power to weight between the two cars is identical.
HP doesn't get you to 60 anyway. TORQUE does. And that, as I said, is where the Supra has it all over the Z. It's my biggest disappointment with the 370Z. Yes, I have a 2013 Z Sport 6MT. My wife drives it mostly. We had it at the track last Friday. Fun. With a better driver, it would probably get to within 3 or 4 seconds of my 4C, even though I have 93 fewer horses. Power isn't everything! Your Camaro SS 1LE is, indeed, an amazing and under-appreciated car. I recommend it to a lot of people shopping, and they mostly forgot to look at them or don't know the car. It's definitely worth a look. But more important than "Starbucks"? Jury's out! ;-) LOL. |
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Supra rated at 421lbs tq on a dyno. It doesn't matter which dyno you used. You're still over the rating. If it's by that particular dynos 56lbs OVER the brake tq. Not wheel torque. Any dyno will be at least 20lbs rq. So you think your Z may possibly get to 3 or 4 seconds of your 4c? With a better driver? If you're in the Z or 2 better drivers... ??? I mean all it really takes is a quick dig on motor trend to see if your relative theory holds any weight. Power isn't everything. But as of now. You're driving a 240hp car that's so light that your power to weight ratio is one of the best in class and you own a Z. Trade your Alfa for a toyobaru and see if you'll be making the same case... ??? Lol. It's kinda dumb to make a butt dyno theory between your Z and Alfa with fake drivers. I guess that's a true canadian analysis... ??? Lol. On the top gear track 370z pulled 127.50 Alfa 4c pulled 124.80. So basically the Alfa was 3.2 seconds faster with 1000 lbs less weight and 110 less hp. |
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Her lap times were ... well, lets just say not near 1:20. But it was her first time driving any car on track in a serious fashion. |
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More torque allows taller gearing for equal output and a larger area under the curve. |
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This is getting beat to death. :rofl2:
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We're just killing time until somebody here buys and reviews a Supra! :-)
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It's all about the long flappies, baby!!! |
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Boy, this went downhill fast. :-(
Anyway, I went out in search of a Supra this afternoon (had to try a few used trucks for the fleet at work - was my excuse to get out). None to be found in my part of the world. Maybe someday... |
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Hey guys, any news when the new Supra is coming out yet?
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When you beat a thread to death. It's going to happen at some point. This thread needed it. |
When this new BMW Supra and BMW Z4 comes comes out I'll be test driving one. I actually like the look of them. I used to own a E92 M3 so this car definitely won't disappoint in the driving fun factor.
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Jalopdik has a new review. The outward view of sports cars topic is already sickening. So many bytchmade dudes wanting sports cars but not wanting to deal with the angles and proportions of a sports car. Whatever you can't see? Adjust your effin mirrors so u can see it n STFU... Or a buy a effin Volkswagen n put your hair in a man bun strap on your purse n STFU. GEEZ!
https://jalopnik-com.cdn.ampproject....-is-1834624543 |
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Ok so... Right when Toyota proved themselves with a great entry as serious sports car contenders...
They couldn't wait to release THEIR INNER PANSY and talk about the next supra being EV or autonomous!!!! Now Nissan evaded that plan with the Z cuz an overwhelming 90% of Z enthusiasts said hell NO!!! But leave it to the overwhelming amount of Prius drivers to support such blasphemy!!! I'm now Leary of Toyota and will 2nd question supporting the Supra, s oully based on future plans. Nissan... Show Toyota how it's done. 420hp/420lbs tq w/DCT on a future Z with manual option. Let's go!! The most shameful part. They're talking this mess b4 the public even drives this version. Smh. https://www-motor1-com.cdn.ampprojec...-autonomous%2F |
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The Supra is ugly AF. Looks like a 370Z driven through a nuclear waste dump. If Nissan does come out with a new Z after all, and it has a duckbill spoiler like the Supra, it would be a disgrace. The Supra interior looks like a regular BMW sedan- doesn't seem like a sports car interior at all. No manual transmission. Maintenance costs would be sky-high and Toyota dealers will not know how to work on what is basically a BMW.
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10:1, if there ever is a new Z, it will be at least in part electric. Toyota knows that they need to move in that direction as well. At least a hybrid powertrain would let you keep going when the juice ran out. After all, the idea of a true sports car is to take long drives from A to A, with no reason other than to drive. Time spent stopped, recharging batteries is time wasted. But hauling around the heft of meaningful batteries runs counter to the definition of a sports car. Supra is too heavy in current form already. Probably all that BMW luxury! Long live the petrol powered sports car. But realistically, probably not that long. |
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The new Supra continues its rave reviews, this time from Motortrend. 0-60 in 3.9 1/2 mile in 12.5 wow this car is going to be even faster with aftermarket performance parts. I would like to hear a full CBE on this beast.
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/toyo...t-test-review/ |
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