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Originally Posted by ZCanadian Why does it scare me that the "features" list for a high performance car like this (for all intents and purposes, a supercar), are almost all

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Why does it scare me that the "features" list for a high performance car like this (for all intents and purposes, a supercar), are almost all about creature comforts. I guess I like my sports cars "raw" whereas this is "well done with mashed potatoes, double gravy, veg, Caesar salad, appetizer, desert, big gulp, and a side of fries"!

The good news is that none of those up-sell packages have justification for huge price increases. I suspect they might, just the same, though.
I kinda disagree, I get the whole pure bare bones sports car argument, and I do love a totally driver centric car like the 4c, but if you need a sports car that is a good track car and semi daily driver, then all that tech and comfort features make perfect sense.

There’s also the perceived value proposition from the average customers perspective, for $60-80k, if they didn’t offer this stuff, it’d flop. Very few people want a lotus type car, they’d rather something more “well rounded”.
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I kinda disagree, I get the whole pure bare bones sports car argument, and I do love a totally driver centric car like the 4c, but if you need a sports car that is a good track car and semi daily driver, then all that tech and comfort features make perfect sense.

There’s also the perceived value proposition from the average customers perspective, for $60-80k, if they didn’t offer this stuff, it’d flop. Very few people want a lotus type car, they’d rather something more “well rounded”.
Fair enough. Different buyer perspective. I suspect that you are in the majority, as this car will outsell the 4C, and every Lotus and Catheram ever made by many, many times over.

As to the value bit, not sure. Porsche manages to charge even more for deleting options than they do for adding them. Betting there will be a stripped down factory performance version of the C8, and that will come in at a premium price. Of course, you might be able to do the same thing by buying a base car and stripping it yourself, but Chevrolet will have enough tweaks in theirs to make theirs more worthwhile.
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Fair enough. Different buyer perspective. I suspect that you are in the majority, as this car will outsell the 4C, and every Lotus and Catheram ever made by many, many times over.

As to the value bit, not sure. Porsche manages to charge even more for deleting options than they do for adding them. Betting there will be a stripped down factory performance version of the C8, and that will come in at a premium price. Of course, you might be able to do the same thing by buying a base car and stripping it yourself, but Chevrolet will have enough tweaks in theirs to make theirs more worthwhile.
Porsche limits that production of 'purist' spec machines. They limit and hype that for the wealthy purists silly enough to pay. Per unit profit at Porsche is the highest in the industry at times. Its just good marketing. Exsclusivety sells lol. Is the .2 on the 'Ring' worth that if you do not track? Personal judgement as always
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If a c8 could hack my daily drive, there is no other vehicle I'd consider.
My C7 GrandSport was daily driven since mid Febuary. It's not an issue. If you don't think you could daily a C8 then that's just you. The car will be capable of it. The fuel mileage is just stupid good for the C7.
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My C7 GrandSport was daily driven since mid Febuary. It's not an issue. If you don't think you could daily a C8 then that's just you. The car will be capable of it. The fuel mileage is just stupid good for the C7.
I know I'm in a lowly SS. but on the highway. If I do 75 at cruise I get up to 32mpg. If I leave cruise on at 85mph I get about 25mpg. If I cruise at 100mph I get about 19mpg.

To get good mileage city driving you gotta leave it in auto. You can get about 18mpg on a cool day and 15 to 16 mpg on a hot day. If i switch gears and are hooning around I'll get somewhere around 13mpg. For a 6.2ltr v8 that at this moment I'm at 444.3 rwhp/510bhp I think I'm getting great mileage.

I'm expecting the same from the C8
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If he’s that worried about depreciation he has no business buying a new car. He really should wait a year and buy the Supra as a leftover or even used.

I’ve lived through this first hand with Harley Davidson. 20 years ago the dealers were getting $1000’s over sticker. Today? They still demand sticker which is exactly why they can’t sell a new bike anymore. The used market is flooded with “brand new” bikes posers bought thinking they were gonna leave it in the garage for a couple of years and flip it for a profit.
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If he’s that worried about depreciation he has no business buying a new car. He really should wait a year and buy the Supra as a leftover or even used.

I’ve lived through this first hand with Harley Davidson. 20 years ago the dealers were getting $1000’s over sticker. Today? They still demand sticker which is exactly why they can’t sell a new bike anymore. The used market is flooded with “brand new” bikes posers bought thinking they were gonna leave it in the garage for a couple of years and flip it for a profit.
You're not factoring out why hes in this state of rationalization. He makes part of his living vlogging cars. In his thought process hes making legitimate points. Long term pushing a Supra till next june or October give or take. With the Supra being close in price to a vette. How will the corvette affect the Supras existence. Is it better to wait or go ahead and buy. He can buy a Supra today. He speaks for as niche group of people but it's a relevant group that are the first reviewers and more affluent enthusiasts. Theres still stuff to learn here.
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My C7 GrandSport was daily driven since mid Febuary. It's not an issue. If you don't think you could daily a C8 then that's just you. The car will be capable of it. The fuel mileage is just stupid good for the C7.
I live as close to off grid as one can, without going fully off grid. The c8 would be okay until the road washes out and 6" deep ruts form in it, and then I'd be stranded over a mile from home. No fun. Giving up sports cars in exchange for freedom. Choices were made. Then factor in that a 300ft section of my driveway is a 27% grade, gravel, and when it snows those wide tires and light car will be problematic. AWD SUVs dominate my locale as a necessity.

The c8 simply is not capable of my daily commute, many days, unless I lifted it or armored the underside or some other nonsense. Nonviable.

Literally the only thing I've given up that I sometimes miss, when I moved out of the city. Otherwise, and in spite of it, highly worth it!


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I know I'm in a lowly SS. but on the highway. If I do 75 at cruise I get up to 32mpg. If I leave cruise on at 85mph I get about 25mpg. If I cruise at 100mph I get about 19mpg.

To get good mileage city driving you gotta leave it in auto. You can get about 18mpg on a cool day and 15 to 16 mpg on a hot day. If i switch gears and are hooning around I'll get somewhere around 13mpg. For a 6.2ltr v8 that at this moment I'm at 444.3 rwhp/510bhp I think I'm getting great mileage.

I'm expecting the same from the C8
My Ls1 and ls7 cars always returned exceptional mpg.
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Dat overdrive

But that's one factor that unfortunately makes me open to parting with the Z if I can't own two cars.

I was already thinking of getting the C7 at depreciation, not actually expecting the C8 to be as awesome as it currently sounds. I mean not only is that car a better performer than the Z in every imaginable way, but it had more boot space, seems like the manual was still easier to get along with, and it got better mileage. Z51 also made the car a bit more track ready. Literally faster and more practical, it seemed. Targa top was icing.

It's not that the Z is bad, but at least to me, there was something that ticked all the boxes in qualifying as a better car in the C7.

Spending so-so years paying off a C7 now is kinda gonna get in the way of saving up for the supercar that is the C8. Only way I lean to a C7 is if the C8 turns out to be a timebomb disaster.
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Dat overdrive

But that's one factor that unfortunately makes me open to parting with the Z if I can't own two cars.

I was already thinking of getting the C7 at depreciation, not actually expecting the C8 to be as awesome as it currently sounds. I mean not only is that car a better performer than the Z in every imaginable way, but it had more boot space, seems like the manual was still easier to get along with, and it got better mileage. Z51 also made the car a bit more track ready. Literally faster and more practical, it seemed. Targa top was icing.

It's not that the Z is bad, but at least to me, there was something that ticked all the boxes in qualifying as a better car in the C7.

Spending so-so years paying off a C7 now is kinda gonna get in the way of saving up for the supercar that is the C8. Only way I lean to a C7 is if the C8 turns out to be a timebomb disaster.
The DCT is what I'm concerned with, if anything.
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But that's one factor that unfortunately makes me open to parting with the Z if I can't own two cars.

I was already thinking of getting the C7 at depreciation, not actually expecting the C8 to be as awesome as it currently sounds. I mean not only is that car a better performer than the Z in every imaginable way, but it had more boot space, seems like the manual was still easier to get along with, and it got better mileage. Z51 also made the car a bit more track ready. Literally faster and more practical, it seemed. Targa top was icing.

It's not that the Z is bad, but at least to me, there was something that ticked all the boxes in qualifying as a better car in the C7.

Spending so-so years paying off a C7 now is kinda gonna get in the way of saving up for the supercar that is the C8. Only way I lean to a C7 is if the C8 turns out to be a timebomb disaster.

They played it safe. The engine is a mild update to the LT1. The LT1 is basically proven at this point.
All the tech in the C8 is in my car. It's just updated versions so you're not dealing with new tech.
The suspensions are identical to the vette and SS. it's just now the chassis is extremely balanced from having an MR platform. Waaaaay more aerodynamics and a lower COG.

You have one new production feature to a vette. The lift.
DCT is new to production cars but old to race cars.
If you really look at the C8. The just changed the platform of the C7 improved the transmission and seriously upped the interior. I think you'll be good bruh.
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You're not factoring out why hes in this state of rationalization. He makes part of his living vlogging cars. In his thought process hes making legitimate points. Long term pushing a Supra till next june or October give or take. With the Supra being close in price to a vette. How will the corvette affect the Supras existence. Is it better to wait or go ahead and buy. He can buy a Supra today. He speaks for as niche group of people but it's a relevant group that are the first reviewers and more affluent enthusiasts. Theres still stuff to learn here.
Most people don’t part time vlog. My point stands. If you can’t afford the depreciation, you can’t afford the car.

I’ve never seen a reviewer in Car and Driver complain about not being able to review a car because of “depreciation”.
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He kinda fits in his own niche in the car vlogging world. It's a little weird. If memory serves right, he dropped his Z, got the Nismo, and only held onto it for less than a year before he got a GT-R. Was documenting installs and dynos of short tails and short rams. I'm not sure what he's done on his GT-R apart from the exhaust and that wrap, but they're not quite the ones to turn to for build documentaries.

I mean I won't hate on him, though. Great for him if his YT vids and selling price of the Z actually put him ahead, or if he's got the money to move fast from car-to-car. He was talking about how the GT-R was his dream car when he first got it, and I think he took delivery without ever going out to inspect it. And then he has his eyes on a Supra and well... yeah, now he makes a video about the C8 making him questioning that prospect.

This isn't like Shmee150 buying another supercar — he sounds like he planned well ahead what he's going into, and he tends to show some commitment, including with his own Supra pre-order.
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