2018 Toyota Supra

ZCanadian · 04-03-2018, 04:15 PM

[QUOTE=gsx95;3744108]

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Originally Posted by DLSTR

Yup. They lack the skills of previous generations of racers. And their ONLY goal is to go fast around a track. Is that yours as well?

Well, my goal isn't to go SLOWEST around the track!

There are plenty of driving skills to go around. Heel-toe is just one, and really only critical to shorten stopping distances, preserve car balance near the limit, and protect the clutch and drive train BECAUSE OF the limitations of the 3-pedal manual gearbox. Pretty much everything else that you do with a traditional manual transmission (determining the shift point or engine braking for instance) is no different in a DCT. You just do it faster in a dual clutch manual.

And, for the record, I would say that modern racers do not lack in skill when compared with their predecessors. Given today's speeds, and the horsepower available in current cars, I think that a great many heroes of the past might wet themselves - or at least be appreciative that engineering gave them quicker, more predictable shifts without having to take their hands off the wheel or their left foot off the dead pedal!

UNKNOWN_370 · 04-06-2018, 09:36 AM

[QUOTE=ZCanadian;3744309]

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Originally Posted by gsx95

Well, my goal isn't to go SLOWEST around the track!

There are plenty of driving skills to go around. Heel-toe is just one, and really only critical to shorten stopping distances, preserve car balance near the limit, and protect the clutch and drive train BECAUSE OF the limitations of the 3-pedal manual gearbox. Pretty much everything else that you do with a traditional manual transmission (determining the shift point or engine braking for instance) is no different in a DCT. You just do it faster in a dual clutch manual.

And, for the record, I would say that modern racers do not lack in skill when compared with their predecessors. Given today's speeds, and the horsepower available in current cars, I think that a great many heroes of the past might wet themselves - or at least be appreciative that engineering gave them quicker, more predictable shifts without having to take their hands off the wheel or their left foot off the dead pedal!

Well said sir...

UNKNOWN_370 · 04-11-2018, 07:57 PM

Gauge cluster reveal

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/04/11/...el-spy-photos/

ZCanadian · 04-11-2018, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Gauge cluster reveal

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/04/11/...el-spy-photos/

LOL, they even cover up part of the centre stack / display.

sunkist350z · 04-11-2018, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Gauge cluster reveal

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/04/11/...el-spy-photos/

Ewww why does it remind me of the 80's? Can you say KnightRider?

Nixin · 04-12-2018, 07:16 AM

Back to the future via 1983. The music was great but the car dashes were beyond hideous.

UNKNOWN_370 · 04-12-2018, 10:05 AM

Even that steering wheel looked mad dated.

Firebase99 · 04-14-2018, 12:06 AM

I still think it looks like an RX-8. But worse.

RicerX · 04-17-2018, 01:33 PM

With as long as this car has been kicked around, there was no way it was ever going to blow anyone's mind. None.

But please for the love of God why do I need a steering wheel from a Rav4 in a Supra?

DLSTR · 04-17-2018, 02:27 PM

A link from 'Jalopnik" about the Supra today - https://jalopnik.com/the-2019-toyota...car-1825317746

Appears this will not be an inexpensive machine

ZCanadian · 04-17-2018, 05:14 PM

Doesn't really tell anyone anything...

In other news, it will almost definitely have between three and six tires and rumours say it will have DOORS!

The GT86 is a wannabe racer. A good platform to play with, but cannot really be called a performance car. Great value for the money. Not as great as the 370Z. Just a bit newer.

If it is co-developed with BMW, you can bet the Supra will be priced in the same range as its Teutonic sibling. Look at other twins separated at birth. MX5 and the 124 Spider comes to mind - pricing only really differs in as much as the packages are not directly comparable. Then they talk about possibly limiting production. Saying that the new Supra "will not be cheap" should not surprise anyone.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-08-2018, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ZCanadian

Doesn't really tell anyone anything...

In other news, it will almost definitely have between three and six tires and rumours say it will have DOORS!

The GT86 is a wannabe racer. A good platform to play with, but cannot really be called a performance car. Great value for the money. Not as great as the 370Z. Just a bit newer.

If it is co-developed with BMW, you can bet the Supra will be priced in the same range as its Teutonic sibling. Look at other twins separated at birth. MX5 and the 124 Spider comes to mind - pricing only really differs in as much as the packages are not directly comparable. Then they talk about possibly limiting production. Saying that the new Supra "will not be cheap" should not surprise anyone.

There was a report a couple years back that gas engine cars will be exclusive to exotics as the push to make gas engines nearly EXTINCT. So as new sports cars come out. You will see prices getting higher. If a Z starts at 30k? I expect a Supra 4 cylinder to start as a base price on the mid 30's. And the 6 turbo to begin where the Nismo ends. About $48k. So you're easily looking at 60k for a loaded supra and up to 80k for special performance versions.

Anyway... New news. Better wheels. Woo hoo!

https://jalopnik.com/hell-yeah-the-n...-co-1825838732

Chuck33079 · 05-08-2018, 10:25 AM

I'd say the price increases have more to do with longer and longer auto loan terms and less about the electric stuff. People are stupid and impulsive by default, and most auto buyers don't give a damn about the price, only the monthly payment. So why not raise the price of the car and sell it to morons on a 84 or 96 month note?

ZCanadian · 05-08-2018, 04:06 PM

I'd say the prices are mainly set "because they can". Spreading it out over a longer term certainly helps ease the pain, but I'm of the opinion that stupid should HURT.

DLSTR · 05-09-2018, 01:32 PM

[QUOTE=ZCanadian;3744309]

Quote:

Originally Posted by gsx95

Well, my goal isn't to go SLOWEST around the track!

There are plenty of driving skills to go around. Heel-toe is just one, and really only critical to shorten stopping distances, preserve car balance near the limit, and protect the clutch and drive train BECAUSE OF the limitations of the 3-pedal manual gearbox. Pretty much everything else that you do with a traditional manual transmission (determining the shift point or engine braking for instance) is no different in a DCT. You just do it faster in a dual clutch manual.

And, for the record, I would say that modern racers do not lack in skill when compared with their predecessors. Given today's speeds, and the horsepower available in current cars, I think that a great many heroes of the past might wet themselves - or at least be appreciative that engineering gave them quicker, more predictable shifts without having to take their hands off the wheel or their left foot off the dead pedal!

That quote is not me but GSX95. See the previous page. I did not say anything about being fastest around a track as a goal.

04-11-2018, 07:57 PM	#453 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14857	Gauge cluster reveal https://www.autoblog.com/2018/04/11/...el-spy-photos/ __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

04-12-2018, 10:05 AM	#457 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14857	Even that steering wheel looked mad dated. sunkist350z likes this. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

04-14-2018, 12:06 AM	#458 (permalink)
Firebase99 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: fl Posts: 1,372 Drives: 14 3.8 Gen Coupe GT Rep Power: 14033	I still think it looks like an RX-8. But worse. __________________ '14 3.8 Genesis Coupe, '13 Volvo S60, '04 Honda Accord, '13 370Z-sold, '05 350Z Touring-sold, '92 300Z Twin Turbo-sold, '82 280ZX-gone, '79 260Z-gone

04-17-2018, 01:33 PM	#459 (permalink)
RicerX Track Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: TN Posts: 597 Drives: To the Pizza joint. Rep Power: 7720	With as long as this car has been kicked around, there was no way it was ever going to blow anyone's mind. None. But please for the love of God why do I need a steering wheel from a Rav4 in a Supra? Stright_Drop, sx moneypit and ZCanadian like this. __________________

04-17-2018, 02:27 PM	#460 (permalink)
DLSTR A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: Süd Germany Posts: 2,462 Drives: 21Supra 2.0/22 M240i Rep Power: 21267	A link from 'Jalopnik" about the Supra today - https://jalopnik.com/the-2019-toyota...car-1825317746 Appears this will not be an inexpensive machine BlackZeda likes this.

04-12-2018, 07:16 AM	#456 (permalink)
Nixin A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: GWN Posts: 3,488 Drives: Goodbye Z! Rep Power: 19832	Back to the future via 1983. The music was great but the car dashes were beyond hideous.

04-17-2018, 05:14 PM	#461 (permalink)
ZCanadian A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Canada Posts: 1,037 Drives: 2013 370Z Rep Power: 59503	Doesn't really tell anyone anything... In other news, it will almost definitely have between three and six tires and rumours say it will have DOORS! The GT86 is a wannabe racer. A good platform to play with, but cannot really be called a performance car. Great value for the money. Not as great as the 370Z. Just a bit newer. If it is co-developed with BMW, you can bet the Supra will be priced in the same range as its Teutonic sibling. Look at other twins separated at birth. MX5 and the 124 Spider comes to mind - pricing only really differs in as much as the packages are not directly comparable. Then they talk about possibly limiting production. Saying that the new Supra "will not be cheap" should not surprise anyone. sunkist350z, UNKNOWN_370, JARblue and 1 others like this.

05-08-2018, 10:25 AM	#463 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29538	I'd say the price increases have more to do with longer and longer auto loan terms and less about the electric stuff. People are stupid and impulsive by default, and most auto buyers don't give a damn about the price, only the monthly payment. So why not raise the price of the car and sell it to morons on a 84 or 96 month note? ZCanadian likes this. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

05-08-2018, 04:06 PM	#464 (permalink)
ZCanadian A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Canada Posts: 1,037 Drives: 2013 370Z Rep Power: 59503	I'd say the prices are mainly set "because they can". Spreading it out over a longer term certainly helps ease the pain, but I'm of the opinion that stupid should HURT. UNKNOWN_370 likes this.

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