We will see in October at the Tokyo Auto Salon :p

I'll also add that I hope they don't call this a Supra if it has a BMW sourced engine. Just seems wrong.

The Toyota Bratwurst?
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Ha.

I guess I don't blame Toyota for using the BMW engines. Minimal R&D costs since they have no competitive turbo engines in their stable and BMW has been doing it for years.

But given the wonderfully designed Toyota engines in their recent sport attempts with the LFA and the ISF, RCF, and GSF just disappointing to hear they'll potentially tarnish the Supra legacy by outsourcing the engine. The BMW turbo 6s respond great to tunes, but damn don't call it a supra.

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If it has Mcpherson type front struts like the Zn6, it can go back to the shed the Mk4 supra died in.

It looks like you guys are letting some purported leaks on some 3rd rate auto news sites override your logic and reason.

1) The "news" is BS
2) Toyota could not sell it. I am 90% certain I will buy the new Supra/FT-1 (if that is what it is called), but having a BMW engine is a certain deal-breaker.
3) The 86 has a Toyota engine even though it was co-developed by Subaru. If Toyota were to use another companies engine, then it would be Subaru.
4) Correct me if I am wrong, but Toyota (or Lexus) has never used another manufacturer's engine.

Although I don't dispute your assertion as to the veracity of these reports, I'm not certain that past practices are entirely indicative of current or future business models. Modern business pressures demand lateral thinking like never before. Certain opportunities might only be realized by forging new partnerships. Some models would never exist without them. Not saying that's a good thing, but it's becoming reality.

I would expect the BWM motor(s) with Toyota part numbers and a few other odds and ends taken from, say, Denso, and (possibly) a Yamaha head. It will have a Toyota ECU, tho'...

And don't forget the duck tape and baler twine! ;-)

The 86/FRS has a Subaru designed and built engine (FA20). It does use the Toyota DI fuel system but it is not a Toyota engine. In Toyota applications, it carries a Toyota engine code but that doesn't make it Toyota designed engine. The whole architecture of it screams Subaru as it's the EJ replacement.

This Supra would probably be the second Toyota car using a non-Toyota designed engine that I'm aware of.

Thanks for the correction. The 86 is indeed a rebadged Subaru, but if the "Supra" is a rebadged BMW it better be something special, or they've lost me as a buyer.

Mazda's HCCI tech. If it reaches the rotary and revolutionizes that engine? I'm back in a Mazda. Balee dat.

I dunno. I gotta wait and see. The real magic to 90's Toyota's wasn't just the JZ series engines it was the tuning. So maybe, Toyota will produce a proprietary intake manifold/plenum, turbos and other bits along with special tuning. It just depends how they go about it?

The Z4 concept looks interesting: BMW Concept Z4 Photos and Info | News | Car and Driver

Im impressed and I think whatever BMW and Toyota bring to market as Z4/Supra there will be a few here quite pleased. Looking forward to it. Cars are good right now. Good power and interesting overall. Im happy to see this as the average wanker drives a rounded box CUV/Cross over whatever the fk.

Wow, this actually looks cool and I am not a vert or bimmer guy. Toyota lets see the supra now.

I just hope they don't mass produce the 2018 Toyota Supra. This vehicle will be priced out of the average customers budget and price range. Something tells me it will be in the Nissan GTR price range. I don't like how BMW helped design this vehicle it will not be the same as the older model Toyota Supra. I am hoping that they have turbocharged platform on this vehicle.

As promised, the Z4 concept as it appeared at Pebble Beach...

Though frankly, I prefer what's behind it in this shot. ;-)

I like how it looks! now I want to see the Supra in the Tokyo Auto Salon in October :stirthepot:

Loving the size and general shape in these action shots. I will bet that the spoiler is a red herring.

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Fck I like this thing more and more looool even with the damn camo:bowrofl:! What you guys think about the price.... 370z price range or close to a GTR? I vote is more for a 370z price range based on the supposed leaked details

I think it'll be right in between Z and GTR and in line with the Q60 coupe. Starting price in the 40s going to 60s.

Well it all depends what it is, but if it is good I would think it would be the same price with decent options as a base BMW M2...$55K.

For this I would want something that looks good, has adequate room in the hatch (like the 370Z), is under 3000lbs and ~360HP and torque.

I don't mind if there is not a manual stick option, just as long as the automatic or DCT has a manual mode.

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Manual lives?

New information says 2019 Toyota Supra will get a manual transmission, turbo V-6 engine

My interpretation of "co-developed" is that the Supra will probably have a BMW sourced block, Toyota/Denso fueling and tune, and if using the same turbo as the Z4, a BMW head.

Supra may have Toyota engine?
This news is getting corny. Just bring out the fvckin car already.

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/new...ine-after-all/

let's see if the car finally makes it debut in October ;)

The leaks are about as real as the camo panels on the test mule. Good click-bait for these car sites, but it also maintains hype without very much effort. I wonder how many times they will contradict themselves between now and October.

It seems whatever Nissan and Mazda will show for the Tokyo auto show will be true concepts, but since we have only seen a test mule for the FT-1/Z4 it looks like it has a head start.

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Same story, different site. They refer to it as "co-developed with the Bavarian manufacturer" (i.e., BMW).

The interior looks like a rip off from the Infiniti Essence design.

BMW doesn't make a v6...or does itttttt? :icon14:

I would be happy if the new supra looks like this..

2019 Toyota Supra Realistic CGI Fills Us With Anticipation

I believe this is it.

Toyota to Unveil GR HV SPORTS concept at Tokyo Motor Show 2017 | TOYOTA Global Newsroom

Looks good from the front and side, but the rear is fugly...

[QUOTE=Jordo!;3703056]I believe this is it.

Toyota to Unveil GR HV SPORTS concept at Tokyo Motor Show 2017 | TOYOTA Global Newsroom

Looks good from the front and side, but the rear is fugly...[/QUOTE

This definitely not it, the interior and rear are straight out of the gt86:shakes head:

Told you guys it was a new GT86 type car. LOL

I had high hopes since they started with such a great looking concept, and I liked the new Lexus coupe.

But they screwed this up.......looks worse then the older eclipses. damn

[QUOTE=sunkist350z;3703135]I dunno, the front and side pics looked a lot like the test mule to me. Harder to tell on the rear.

I saw a comment that the interior was similar to the 86, but generally much nicer, including a fancy "jet fighter" style start button under the gear shift knob.

Also, the T-top is a likely thing to have on the Supra, but not the 86.

Are the dimensions the same as the 86? I thought it looked a lot longer and wider.

Ah, okay. So nothing official on what -- if anything -- that car is intended to be. If you look at the test mule, there's a lot in common, right down to the LED head lights and the front fascia. My guess is that that concept is more or less the same as the test mule, but they tacked a few other things onto it so it could be pushed out on stage (e.g., odd single exhaust rear).

Nice futuristic body kit for the 86 Toyota Loooool!:bowrofl:

Well at least they are doing something, not like Nissan that are working just on R/C cars :wtf2: