2018 Toyota Supra

Nixin · 09-24-2018, 05:34 PM

Not a bad looking 'concept' IMHO. I will call it that as the renderings do not inspire me to believe that this is the way the final production vehicle will look. There is many Z inspired shapes, etc. I concur withGod-Speed, I will have to wait to see it in person.

sunkist350z · 09-25-2018, 01:25 PM

Manual transmission only for right hand drive are in the works, I guess they think we Americans are fat and lazy lol

https://www.carscoops.com/2018/09/to...drive-markets/

FPenvy · 09-25-2018, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sunkist350z

Manual transmission only for right hand drive are in the works, I guess they think we Americans are fat and lazy lol

https://www.carscoops.com/2018/09/to...drive-markets/

manual is useless anymore except for theft deterrent lol

also, i see at the bottom they mention the 4 banger modek with 240hp.......why?

thats a waste of money if you buy it, a waste of toyotas money to make it, and a waste of my time to have to ponder the fact that oh ok for the FRS/BRZ crowd who want to step their game up......but still under 250hp.

BlackZeda · 09-25-2018, 08:09 PM

You can get some decent looks at it in this video

UNKNOWN_370 · 09-26-2018, 09:02 PM

Looks like the Supra is getting the manual after all.

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/09/26/...-transmission/

JARblue · 09-27-2018, 12:02 AM

FFS, it's an sports car geared towards enthusiasts. Put a fuckin MT in it!!

Ridiculous that Toyota needs "market feedback" for that decision ...

FL 4Motion · 09-29-2018, 09:53 PM

So, read that top gear article, good read btw.

They benchmarked the cayman. Sound familiar.?

Around 300-350 bhp, sound familiar?

Rear wheel drive with front midship platform, sound familiar?

Not meant to be a hard core track car, but aftermarket will fill in the blanks, sound familiar?

Presto is spot on, it’s the new Toyota 370z with updated materials/tech for 2018.

Want to know mod potential of the motor, go check out bmw 3 series forum and start researching burger tuning jb1 and jb4. This isn’t necessarily a bad thing btw, but its no 2jz.

This car to sell needs to be 370z priced, if it’s more, then your competing against Cameros, stangs, vettes, m2, tt rs etc and it’s not there performance wise. It very well could wind up like the z, a tweener car power to $$ wise but it’s saving grace vs the z is it’s factory fi.

UNKNOWN_370 · 09-30-2018, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion

So, read that top gear article, good read btw.

They benchmarked the cayman. Sound familiar.?

Around 300-350 bhp, sound familiar?

Rear wheel drive with front midship platform, sound familiar?

Not meant to be a hard core track car, but aftermarket will fill in the blanks, sound familiar?

Presto is spot on, it’s the new Toyota 370z with updated materials/tech for 2018.

Want to know mod potential of the motor, go check out bmw 3 series forum and start researching burger tuning jb1 and jb4. This isn’t necessarily a bad thing btw, but its no 2jz.

This car to sell needs to be 370z priced, if it’s more, then your competing against Cameros, stangs, vettes, m2, tt rs etc and it’s not there performance wise. It very well could wind up like the z, a tweener car power to $$ wise but it’s saving grace vs the z is it’s factory fi.

The advantage this car has is TURBO. It will be cheap to get an extra 200hp. Where our Z takes $13k to get that kinda power.

On another note... It looks like the manual will be RHD only .. Go figure. But at the same time. It will make die hard purists go thru he'll to bring a manual Supra to the states from Japan.
Captialism at its best. Lol.

https://autoweek.com/article/rumormi...a-theres-catch

ZCanadian · 09-30-2018, 10:32 AM

Yes, turbo tunig is cheaper and sometimes easier. And on occasion, dangerous.
Depends on ECU security these days, as to just how stealthy it can be done.
Having another platform sharing the engine, is a plus in that regard.

But it does show that maybe Nissan has been “crazy like a fox” with the 370Z.
When you think about it, front engine 2-seater with rear wheel drive, naturally aspirated 6 putting out 330Hp and available MT6 that is actually pretty readily affordable and pretty fine looking - that is is a combination that is damn hard to find these days. If only it had a better torque number, and maybe some minor tech and interior tweaks over the years...

Zerafian · 09-30-2018, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZCanadian

Yes, turbo tunig is cheaper and sometimes easier. And on occasion, dangerous.
Depends on ECU security these days, as to just how stealthy it can be done.
Having another platform sharing the engine, is a plus in that regard.

But it does show that maybe Nissan has been “crazy like a fox” with the 370Z.
When you think about it, front engine 2-seater with rear wheel drive, naturally aspirated 6 putting out 330Hp and available MT6 that is actually pretty readily affordable and pretty fine looking - that is is a combination that is damn hard to find these days. If only it had a better torque number, and maybe some minor tech and interior tweaks over the years...

I think many have been blinded to your words since it seems we all compare the Zs numbers to american cars like the Hemi, GT, or SS.

FL 4Motion · 09-30-2018, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

The advantage this car has is TURBO. It will be cheap to get an extra 200hp. Where our Z takes $13k to get that kinda power.

On another note... It looks like the manual will be RHD only .. Go figure. But at the same time. It will make die hard purists go thru he'll to bring a manual Supra to the states from Japan.
Captialism at its best. Lol.

https://autoweek.com/article/rumormi...a-theres-catch

Hence why I said it’s saving grace is factory fi. But, it will not be cheap to add 200 reliable hp to this bmw engine, this isn’t the ea855 evo 2 in the new rs3/tt rs. 100 to maybe 150 hp easily and safely will be the max.

Ps- fyi jb1/jb4’s are piggybacks that tap into ecu readings and manipulate data, they work well and generally safe if you’re not an idiot but not same as bench flash or custom dyno tuning. BMW ecus are notoriously hard to crack. Since this is a new car, I bet bmw upped their encryption game yet again.

UNKNOWN_370 · 10-02-2018, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FL 4Motion

Hence why I said it’s saving grace is factory fi. But, it will not be cheap to add 200 reliable hp to this bmw engine, this isn’t the ea855 evo 2 in the new rs3/tt rs. 100 to maybe 150 hp easily and safely will be the max.

Ps- fyi jb1/jb4’s are piggybacks that tap into ecu readings and manipulate data, they work well and generally safe if you’re not an idiot but not same as bench flash or custom dyno tuning. BMW ecus are notoriously hard to crack. Since this is a new car, I bet bmw upped their encryption game yet again.

Good points but.... How do we know that the ecu is coming from BMW though. Reports state they will be very different cars. Whose to say the only things in common will be the block and transmission? I say that because as much as I'm not a fan of Toyota products. They don't build ANYTHING unreliable. I would hope they would want to make a great tuner car.

FPenvy · 10-02-2018, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Good points but.... How do we know that the ecu is coming from BMW though. Reports state they will be very different cars. Whose to say the only things in common will be the block and transmission? I say that because as much as I'm not a fan of Toyota products. They don't build ANYTHING unreliable. I would hope they would want to make a great tuner car.

Agreed. But I will have to say with the power plant being a bmw engine then I would assume it would be a bmw ecu. Wouldn’t make sense otherwise. Also could be wrong just my thought on that.

Zingston · 10-02-2018, 08:57 AM

Ok, so they're saying the debut is January @ Detroit:

https://www.carscoops.com/2018/10/20...troit-january/

UNKNOWN_370 · 10-05-2018, 05:26 PM

All i can hope is that Toyota is departing from these current "spindlecoupes" that are dronetastically boring. The design was bold on the first 2 models and then it went throughout the model range. Now toyota is doing a budget interpretation of the spindle. I cringe when I see spindles now.

Every spindlecoupe by Lexus has been outperformed by a midpack muscle car. You gotta really care about luxury to spend another $30k for basically an interior.
When you get up to the LC500. I can give that car a pass cuz it's a luxury car that performs instead of vice versa like the RC lineup.

If Nissan could put the VR30 in a worthy chassis and move to dual clutch? Nissan would easily eclipse Toyota again and with the right weight balance and suspension? Could put themselves in the 1LE performance numbers or possibly beyond with a 60hp deficit. This is the way Nissan did shyt in 2008. But this time. Nissan has the advantage of staying performance competitive against muscle for SEVERAL YEARS if they choose? They gotta evade this EV mindset for a smidge. Geez

This said... If the new mid engined corvette is going to start in the mid 60's as many are speculating with 500hp??? I mean. At that price. The Cayman would be irrelevant and all the competitors will once again struggle??? Chevy will officially reclaim its mid 1960's status as straight legendary. It will be the Corvette and everything else behind it. A GTR would be it's closest competitor. If the GTR will be the 700hp+ beast it's supposed to be? I imagine it will start at double the price of a vette?

Next generation is gonna be crazy. Toyota giving you 382hp for $63,000 in 2020 sounds like a fail. Especially if Nissan comes with a Nismo Z with 500hp in the 60k range which I think will be very possible? But we'll have to see?

09-26-2018, 09:02 PM	#5 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14859	Looks like the Supra is getting the manual after all. https://www.autoblog.com/2018/09/26/...-transmission/ __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

09-27-2018, 12:02 AM	#6 (permalink)
JARblue A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Austin, TX Age: 44 Posts: 36,450 Drives: 11 Z34, 98 E36 M3 Rep Power: 2684441	FFS, it's an sports car geared towards enthusiasts. Put a fuckin MT in it!! Ridiculous that Toyota needs "market feedback" for that decision ... __________________ 2011 370Z 6MT Sport Gun Metallic \| ARC \| CJM \| Ecutek \| FI \| Fujimura \| R2C \| SPL \| Stillen \| TWM \| Z1 \| ZSpeed \|

10-05-2018, 05:26 PM	#15 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14859	All i can hope is that Toyota is departing from these current "spindlecoupes" that are dronetastically boring. The design was bold on the first 2 models and then it went throughout the model range. Now toyota is doing a budget interpretation of the spindle. I cringe when I see spindles now. Every spindlecoupe by Lexus has been outperformed by a midpack muscle car. You gotta really care about luxury to spend another $30k for basically an interior. When you get up to the LC500. I can give that car a pass cuz it's a luxury car that performs instead of vice versa like the RC lineup. If Nissan could put the VR30 in a worthy chassis and move to dual clutch? Nissan would easily eclipse Toyota again and with the right weight balance and suspension? Could put themselves in the 1LE performance numbers or possibly beyond with a 60hp deficit. This is the way Nissan did shyt in 2008. But this time. Nissan has the advantage of staying performance competitive against muscle for SEVERAL YEARS if they choose? They gotta evade this EV mindset for a smidge. Geez This said... If the new mid engined corvette is going to start in the mid 60's as many are speculating with 500hp??? I mean. At that price. The Cayman would be irrelevant and all the competitors will once again struggle??? Chevy will officially reclaim its mid 1960's status as straight legendary. It will be the Corvette and everything else behind it. A GTR would be it's closest competitor. If the GTR will be the 700hp+ beast it's supposed to be? I imagine it will start at double the price of a vette? Next generation is gonna be crazy. Toyota giving you 382hp for $63,000 in 2020 sounds like a fail. Especially if Nissan comes with a Nismo Z with 500hp in the 60k range which I think will be very possible? But we'll have to see? __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

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09-24-2018, 05:34 PM	#1 (permalink)
Nixin A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: GWN Posts: 3,488 Drives: Goodbye Z! Rep Power: 19834	Not a bad looking 'concept' IMHO. I will call it that as the renderings do not inspire me to believe that this is the way the final production vehicle will look. There is many Z inspired shapes, etc. I concur withGod-Speed, I will have to wait to see it in person.

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09-29-2018, 09:53 PM	#7 (permalink)
FL 4Motion A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: FL Posts: 4,776 Drives: Baby Shark Rep Power: 701616	So, read that top gear article, good read btw. They benchmarked the cayman. Sound familiar.? Around 300-350 bhp, sound familiar? Rear wheel drive with front midship platform, sound familiar? Not meant to be a hard core track car, but aftermarket will fill in the blanks, sound familiar? Presto is spot on, it’s the new Toyota 370z with updated materials/tech for 2018. Want to know mod potential of the motor, go check out bmw 3 series forum and start researching burger tuning jb1 and jb4. This isn’t necessarily a bad thing btw, but its no 2jz. This car to sell needs to be 370z priced, if it’s more, then your competing against Cameros, stangs, vettes, m2, tt rs etc and it’s not there performance wise. It very well could wind up like the z, a tweener car power to $$ wise but it’s saving grace vs the z is it’s factory fi.

09-30-2018, 10:32 AM	#9 (permalink)
ZCanadian A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Canada Posts: 1,061 Drives: 2013 370Z Rep Power: 60274	Yes, turbo tunig is cheaper and sometimes easier. And on occasion, dangerous. Depends on ECU security these days, as to just how stealthy it can be done. Having another platform sharing the engine, is a plus in that regard. But it does show that maybe Nissan has been “crazy like a fox” with the 370Z. When you think about it, front engine 2-seater with rear wheel drive, naturally aspirated 6 putting out 330Hp and available MT6 that is actually pretty readily affordable and pretty fine looking - that is is a combination that is damn hard to find these days. If only it had a better torque number, and maybe some minor tech and interior tweaks over the years...

10-02-2018, 08:57 AM	#14 (permalink)
Zingston A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2017 Location: Florida Posts: 4,028 Drives: like it's a rental. Rep Power: 2684371	Ok, so they're saying the debut is January @ Detroit: https://www.carscoops.com/2018/10/20...troit-january/