Bmw m2

UNKNOWN_370 · 08-16-2016, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DLSTR

A drive would change your mind. Go drive one or an Elise.

I'll hit auto trader and see what's in my area

UNKNOWN_370 · 08-16-2016, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DLSTR

A drive would change your mind. Go drive one or an Elise.

I can't find one but I saw a YouTube video n they look a lot better

kenchan · 08-16-2016, 09:49 PM

those evoras look like electric cars. or are dey?

b15 · 08-17-2016, 10:27 AM

As with majority of Americans, cars are getting bigger and fatter every generation. The M2 is basically the size of the E46 M3 which is my favorite M car to date. I never liked the one series, it looks like a retarded 3 series (especially the first gen with the giant headlights) but I'm liking the M2.

Magic Bus · 08-18-2016, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by b15

As with majority of Americans, cars are getting bigger and fatter every generation. The M2 is basically the size of the E46 M3 which is my favorite M car to date. I never liked the one series, it looks like a retarded 3 series (especially the first gen with the giant headlights) but I'm liking the M2.

Yep, never liked the one series either. Test drive the M2, I did and I liked it. I actually enjoyed it more than the base new 718 Boxster and definitely a much better drivers experience than the M235i.

/Angelo350Z/ · 08-18-2016, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by b15

As with majority of Americans, cars are getting bigger and fatter every generation. The M2 is basically the size of the E46 M3 which is my favorite M car to date. I never liked the one series, it looks like a retarded 3 series (especially the first gen with the giant headlights) but I'm liking the M2.

Not a fan of the US spec 1 series either, but the European 1 series hatchbacks look great.

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-14-2017, 08:33 PM

2017 Geneva: BMW M2 with 420 hp tuning from Hamann Motorsport

Magic Bus · 05-17-2017, 04:08 PM

Does anyone know how Nissan measures curb weight? Sport Z w/manual trans is listed on Nissan at 3,344 lbs. A M2 w/manual trans is listed by BMW at 3,450 lbs, however they use European car weighting, which includes 90% full tank and 165 lbs for driver & luggage. This would bring the M2 down to 3,285 lbs, with a 90% full tank only.

Magic Bus · 06-05-2017, 05:18 PM

I typed a detailed comparison between the M2 and our 370Z as I picked up a new M2 in Munich and drove it for 9 days and 1,100 miles. But I guess it took me too long to type and I couldn't post it. So here's the short version. 6mt vs 6mt.

Power/acceleration, goes to M2.

Clutch, M2 by a lot.

Shifter, 370 by quite a bit, M2 feels a little rubbery.

Handling, M2 due to a more balanced feel. Probably due to 370Z being more front heavy, 55% vs 52%. Both hug the turns very well and M2 has very little body roll vs their M235i. Comparable to the Z.

Road noise, much less in the M2 but it's no luxo cruiser and gives you enough road noise for good feedback. And I have dynomatted my hatch & doors on my Z.

Steering feel, 370Z wins, can't beat hydraulic but the M2 is very good for electric and I can definitely live with it.

Unknown, I know you maybe considering an M2. Definitely get a test drive, it's overall the better car but I know you're a stickler for steering feel.

Any other questions please post and I'll do my best to answer.

Magic Bus · 06-05-2017, 05:21 PM

Also, stock exhaust on the M2 is excellent. Equal to my Z with axel back exhaust. M2 farts and gurgles on deceleration, while Z is smooth either way. Just depends on what you prefer, for me, I like both.

Magic Bus · 08-31-2017, 08:38 PM

Update as I've now had the M2 and Z together for a month, driving it back to back and have noticed other nuances not noticed in the first 9 days of driving the M2 in Europe.

As mentioned earlier, the Z's steering being hydraulic has better feel. Also on long straights, the Z's steering wheel only needs to be kept in center and it tracks very straight, but it does tram line more than the M2. The M2 probably because of electric steering, feels just a little floaty and needs very minute adjustments to stay on a straight line. Please don't get me wrong, it's not bad, but something that is noticed.

The brakes on the M2 are more sensitive, but I don't feel it stops any faster than the Z. Once again not bad but something noticed.

The M2 clutch, synchro's and auto rev match is definitely superior. I have the RJM pedal in the Z but still no comparison to the M2. The M2's clutch is lighter, with an easy to recognize engagement point. The M2 also auto revs to approx 1k just before it engages 1st or reverse gear, plus a 1/2 second brake assist on an incline, making this car almost impossible to stall. Yes it sounds like cheating, and a newbie to sticks will not truly appreciate this technology, but it's 2017 and things should progress.

Not sure why, but I'm guessing it's better synchro's, because driving the M2, I can be absolutely buttery smooth between up shifts or down shifts. Also you don't hear the blip of the throttle before the engagement of the gear, like the Z. The M2 seems to hold the blip of the throttle, just until the clutch makes contact. Pretty amazing really.

As mentioned earlier, I preferred the Z's shifter and still feel it's the better shifter, as the gates are better defined and shifting angles are better. The M2's shifter feels a bit rubbery, also 2nd to 3rd and 4th to 5th requires me to change the angle of my arm for a fast smooth shift.

My initial thoughts on handling remain the same, the M2 feels more balanced/controllable. Braking and entering a turn, it's very precise and balanced, whereas the the Z is precise but feels like it's front heavy. However both hug the turns well and on accelerating out of the turn, they both do a great job.

The Z also sits lower and feels like a true sports car from the drivers seat. The M2 sits quite a bit higher and makes you feel like you're driving sedan but don't let that fool you, the car handles. However you gotta give the Z a lotta points and love that feeling. The Z also offers more of a mechanical, analog old school feeling.

The M2 is also definitely firmer and can be close to jarring on bad roads or pot holes versus the Z. Yet on better roads, the M2 feels smoother, kinda interesting really. Maybe I get that impression because the M2 has less road noise and is quieter inside versus the Z, and I dynomatted the Z's doors & hatch.

Interior, electronics, music, seats, visibility and practicality all favor the M2. Plus the M2 is the faster, overall better car and I guess I'm happy it is, as it is the newer car and I did pay $20k more for it then the Z.

DLSTR · 09-01-2017, 05:22 AM

Im DCT M2. Always a manual guy in general. Love the mech feel of the DCT and swift shifts and sounds of its operation. I dont really notice the steering deficiency in the M2 vs the STi I had that was wonderful and hydraulic. A touch less effort overall with the M2 system. Its to me very direct/precise.

Overall driving experience is one of the best Ive had. I loved my Z but would not take the Z over the M2. I was actively pursuing the M4 but glad I picked a Long Beach Blue M2

We all have different tastes and expectation for our personal driving experience. If you are happy then you are winning. Be happy to drive and enjoy sports machines

The M2 is a "Magic Bus"

Mahalo to those in Hawaii

Aloha from Mallorca Isla Balearic

UNKNOWN_370 · 09-01-2017, 07:00 PM

Thanks Magic. I been looking for a M2 to test drive. I figured the car would be as described, but you don't really know till you drive one. I'm glad I got to live it thru your words.

I think the Z still remains a superior car in the sense that, you're sitting down low, you get the feedback through the wheel and it seems to offer very similar performance. It seems the only flaw in the Z is that it's front heavy. I'm trying to figure out what would be the best mitigator of this flaw. Lowering the Z's cog has helped reduce the front heft feeling but it's still there. In my opinion. The next Z doesn't have to grow in size or be overly techy. Keep it analog n erase the front heavy feel and it will be the best car for the money at any price.

That said. I'm sure the M2 is still an amazing car with obvious pros being a newer car.

BlackZeda · 09-01-2017, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Thanks Magic. I been looking for a M2 to test drive. I figured the car would be as described, but you don't really know till you drive one. I'm glad I got to live it thru your words.

I think the Z still remains a superior car in the sense that, you're sitting down low, you get the feedback through the wheel and it seems to offer very similar performance. It seems the only flaw in the Z is that it's front heavy. I'm trying to figure out what would be the best mitigator of this flaw. Lowering the Z's cog has helped reduce the front heft feeling but it's still there. In my opinion. The next Z doesn't have to grow in size or be overly techy. Keep it analog n erase the front heavy feel and it will be the best car for the money at any price.

That said. I'm sure the M2 is still an amazing car with obvious pros being a newer car.

Have you tried lighter front rotors? It lightened up the feel at least for me.

Magic Bus · 09-04-2017, 04:14 PM

This was not a concern when I purchased the M2 as I thought they'd be very similar. But the M2 is getting about 3 mpg better in the same driving conditions as the Z. The Z averaged about 16.3 in it's DD duties (70% city) and the M2 has now gotten 19.2 in the same conditions.

Also insurance on the brand new M2, is only $3 a month more then my 13 Z and they all have very high coverages. What's crazy is the 11 GTI is the highest of our 3 car policy.

03-14-2017, 08:33 PM	#157 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14857	2017 Geneva: BMW M2 with 420 hp tuning from Hamann Motorsport BlackZeda and FPenvy like this. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

08-31-2017, 08:38 PM	#161 (permalink)
Magic Bus A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2012 Location: Honolulu Posts: 1,427 Drives: 17 6MT M2 Rep Power: 18753	Update as I've now had the M2 and Z together for a month, driving it back to back and have noticed other nuances not noticed in the first 9 days of driving the M2 in Europe. As mentioned earlier, the Z's steering being hydraulic has better feel. Also on long straights, the Z's steering wheel only needs to be kept in center and it tracks very straight, but it does tram line more than the M2. The M2 probably because of electric steering, feels just a little floaty and needs very minute adjustments to stay on a straight line. Please don't get me wrong, it's not bad, but something that is noticed. The brakes on the M2 are more sensitive, but I don't feel it stops any faster than the Z. Once again not bad but something noticed. The M2 clutch, synchro's and auto rev match is definitely superior. I have the RJM pedal in the Z but still no comparison to the M2. The M2's clutch is lighter, with an easy to recognize engagement point. The M2 also auto revs to approx 1k just before it engages 1st or reverse gear, plus a 1/2 second brake assist on an incline, making this car almost impossible to stall. Yes it sounds like cheating, and a newbie to sticks will not truly appreciate this technology, but it's 2017 and things should progress. Not sure why, but I'm guessing it's better synchro's, because driving the M2, I can be absolutely buttery smooth between up shifts or down shifts. Also you don't hear the blip of the throttle before the engagement of the gear, like the Z. The M2 seems to hold the blip of the throttle, just until the clutch makes contact. Pretty amazing really. As mentioned earlier, I preferred the Z's shifter and still feel it's the better shifter, as the gates are better defined and shifting angles are better. The M2's shifter feels a bit rubbery, also 2nd to 3rd and 4th to 5th requires me to change the angle of my arm for a fast smooth shift. My initial thoughts on handling remain the same, the M2 feels more balanced/controllable. Braking and entering a turn, it's very precise and balanced, whereas the the Z is precise but feels like it's front heavy. However both hug the turns well and on accelerating out of the turn, they both do a great job. The Z also sits lower and feels like a true sports car from the drivers seat. The M2 sits quite a bit higher and makes you feel like you're driving sedan but don't let that fool you, the car handles. However you gotta give the Z a lotta points and love that feeling. The Z also offers more of a mechanical, analog old school feeling. The M2 is also definitely firmer and can be close to jarring on bad roads or pot holes versus the Z. Yet on better roads, the M2 feels smoother, kinda interesting really. Maybe I get that impression because the M2 has less road noise and is quieter inside versus the Z, and I dynomatted the Z's doors & hatch. Interior, electronics, music, seats, visibility and practicality all favor the M2. Plus the M2 is the faster, overall better car and I guess I'm happy it is, as it is the newer car and I did pay $20k more for it then the Z. b15, DLSTR, BlackZeda and 1 others like this.

09-01-2017, 07:00 PM	#163 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14857	Thanks Magic. I been looking for a M2 to test drive. I figured the car would be as described, but you don't really know till you drive one. I'm glad I got to live it thru your words. I think the Z still remains a superior car in the sense that, you're sitting down low, you get the feedback through the wheel and it seems to offer very similar performance. It seems the only flaw in the Z is that it's front heavy. I'm trying to figure out what would be the best mitigator of this flaw. Lowering the Z's cog has helped reduce the front heft feeling but it's still there. In my opinion. The next Z doesn't have to grow in size or be overly techy. Keep it analog n erase the front heavy feel and it will be the best car for the money at any price. That said. I'm sure the M2 is still an amazing car with obvious pros being a newer car. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

08-16-2016, 09:49 PM	#153 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141520	those evoras look like electric cars. or are dey?

08-17-2016, 10:27 AM	#154 (permalink)
b15 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,229 Drives: 4drz Rep Power: 36571	As with majority of Americans, cars are getting bigger and fatter every generation. The M2 is basically the size of the E46 M3 which is my favorite M car to date. I never liked the one series, it looks like a retarded 3 series (especially the first gen with the giant headlights) but I'm liking the M2.

05-17-2017, 04:08 PM	#158 (permalink)
Magic Bus A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2012 Location: Honolulu Posts: 1,427 Drives: 17 6MT M2 Rep Power: 18753	Does anyone know how Nissan measures curb weight? Sport Z w/manual trans is listed on Nissan at 3,344 lbs. A M2 w/manual trans is listed by BMW at 3,450 lbs, however they use European car weighting, which includes 90% full tank and 165 lbs for driver & luggage. This would bring the M2 down to 3,285 lbs, with a 90% full tank only.

06-05-2017, 05:18 PM	#159 (permalink)
Magic Bus A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2012 Location: Honolulu Posts: 1,427 Drives: 17 6MT M2 Rep Power: 18753	I typed a detailed comparison between the M2 and our 370Z as I picked up a new M2 in Munich and drove it for 9 days and 1,100 miles. But I guess it took me too long to type and I couldn't post it. So here's the short version. 6mt vs 6mt. Power/acceleration, goes to M2. Clutch, M2 by a lot. Shifter, 370 by quite a bit, M2 feels a little rubbery. Handling, M2 due to a more balanced feel. Probably due to 370Z being more front heavy, 55% vs 52%. Both hug the turns very well and M2 has very little body roll vs their M235i. Comparable to the Z. Road noise, much less in the M2 but it's no luxo cruiser and gives you enough road noise for good feedback. And I have dynomatted my hatch & doors on my Z. Steering feel, 370Z wins, can't beat hydraulic but the M2 is very good for electric and I can definitely live with it. Unknown, I know you maybe considering an M2. Definitely get a test drive, it's overall the better car but I know you're a stickler for steering feel. Any other questions please post and I'll do my best to answer.

06-05-2017, 05:21 PM	#160 (permalink)
Magic Bus A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2012 Location: Honolulu Posts: 1,427 Drives: 17 6MT M2 Rep Power: 18753	Also, stock exhaust on the M2 is excellent. Equal to my Z with axel back exhaust. M2 farts and gurgles on deceleration, while Z is smooth either way. Just depends on what you prefer, for me, I like both.

09-04-2017, 04:14 PM	#165 (permalink)
Magic Bus A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2012 Location: Honolulu Posts: 1,427 Drives: 17 6MT M2 Rep Power: 18753	This was not a concern when I purchased the M2 as I thought they'd be very similar. But the M2 is getting about 3 mpg better in the same driving conditions as the Z. The Z averaged about 16.3 in it's DD duties (70% city) and the M2 has now gotten 19.2 in the same conditions. Also insurance on the brand new M2, is only $3 a month more then my 13 Z and they all have very high coverages. What's crazy is the 11 GTI is the highest of our 3 car policy.