The new Alfa Romeo Giulia

ZCanadian

Mustang Dyno. I'd say the test is badly flawed and not worth the bandwidth it takes to download it.

I've not heard of this 22% loss thing - could be but sounds strange to me.

What I do know is that the Alfa 4C is notoriously tricky to dyno other than with a high end tool in a professional shop. If there is any difference at all between the front and rear wheel rotation speeds, or if the intake airflow doesn't match what was expected on the speedo, or if the cooling airflow is insufficient, the ECU simply pulls power. That is true regardless of driving mode (nannies on or off). It was a major problem for a number of tuners to deal with, so this isn't the ramblings of one person. A few blower fans and your neighbourhood tuner shop dyno isn't going to work on these cars.

There is no reason to think that the Giulia is set up any differently.

Personally, I call ******** on the entire test.

UNKNOWN_370

https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho....php?t=1875190

Mustang dyno numbers = low? - LS1TECH

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BlackZeda

Unknown 370; I see you are interested in quite a few cars, but I am wondering what likelihood of if and when you are going to do it? Are you looking to replace your Z and which are your frontrunners right now?

UNKNOWN_370

I've been observing cars for 2 years to add. People might find this dumb because people complain about our Z's so much but... with the minor mods I put in. I absolutely LOVE the Z34 platform. I've driven several cars. I can acknowledge that some are substantially better than the Z in overall performance. But the Z's weird combination of truckish pull, exotic style handling, progressively quick acceleration, poise in the curves, while it's NVH gives it a raw visceral feel really excites me. Our Z's have perfect power and feel very mechanical. Not Rx7 mechanical but... for the current times we live only the Z evo and STi give you that certain visceral feel that makes Japanese cars exciting.

That's why I fear the next generation. If the Z becomes any more muted. It will feel like every other performance car. Sure, everything is better than the Z according to the status quo. But the Z is still king in my book when you talk about passion. I WILL NOT SELL MY Z. But I also think about on the final year model Z34. I'm considering getting a NISMO. But that's is separate of my next two purchases. I will most likely get a second year Giulia but I'm really really hoping for a Z35 that doesn't disappoint.

If that doesn't work out, I will open the option of the new Supra. If that doesn't work out. I will now have to sacrifice funds I didn't want to spend and go upmarket on a sports car. If I go that route? I really don't want to go past $130k. So the cars I'll look at are...

2018/19 Porsche 911 GTS
BMW M2
Camaro ZL1

In the running but dimensions are odd.
Mercedes amg GT S maybe, depending on price
Corvette GS

As stupid as it seems. I truly love Japanese sports cars. So I rather buy an underdog but...
If I did something like buy a Porsche? It'll be my last sports car for a DECADE.

Oh... I get angry with Nissan cuz, Nissan has literally held up my purchase because of their lack of info. Yes Nissan has had me on freeze like a biatch.

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BlackZeda

Not stupid at all in regard to loving Japanese cars, since I have not owned anything else expect for a couple starter cars when I was in high school. I am right there with you with the Z as well. Even though I consider mine somewhat of a lemon I will be keeping it forever. I can definitely see the day when I bring it to a shop and give them $30K with the directive to "make this the best Z possible". The only cars that even are close to the looks of the Z would be Aston Martins and Jaguars IMO. I really like the Camaro and Corvette, but next to the Z they just look big and uninteresting. Every modification to my Z so far has netted a noticeable improvement which translates into MORE FUN!

We are both in almost identical positions, except unless Toyota blows it, the new Supra will be my next car. I am so anxious and excited for the unveiling in October! A purpose built chassis (in collaboration with BMW) by itself will hopefully translate into making it a superior curve-carver without having to put a ridiculously huge engine in it. Also, since I live in high altitude and experience winter weather I am very much open to a hybrid option to mitigate the issues I experience.

If they do blow it, then my fallbacks are:

Porsche 911 (AWD model)
Nissan GTR
Audi TT RS or S5 RS

I would have considered a BMW M2 or M4 but the piped-in engine noise is absolutely unforgivable (yet bizarrely purists in regard to only offering Ms in RWD). Being a "BMW owner" isn't something I aspire to either.

Mercedes is simply too expensive in the sense that if I am spending that much money, I would rather just buy a Porsche where I would get more bang for the buck.

I love the concept of the Alfa Romeo 4C and Giulia, but I would never buy an Italian car even though I love Ferraris.

Thanks for the insight and I look forward to what you land on in the future and the ensuing reviews!

UNKNOWN_370

The Audi S5 RS is a car I wouldn't mind looking into either. I've toyed with the idea, the interiors are amazing and the exterior is pleasant. Who knows?

The Giulia quadrifoglio ironically seems to have the most qualifications in being a true sports car outside of the Z. I look for a certain progression of performance that the Z, Porsche and seemingly now the Giulia has that other cars don't. With the power numbers to back it up.

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