[OFFICIAL] Discussion for the next new Nissan 400Z Z35?

ZoomZ

80Million electric cars expected in China by 2035??? That's a lot of batteries to be "recycled".

Meanwhile, Japan will build another Nuclear power plant, on a major earthquake fault line, to meet this new demand for electrical consumption.

SMH at these green crusaders who think for short term and based on knee jerk reactions. Ethanol and Corn comes to mind. Wind farms and solar panels. Good ideas at first, and look great on paper but we know the outcome.

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takemorepills

My family in China has an electric car. China has been really pushing EVs hard.
Some of the EV cars there have overcome the charging time issue by having exchangeable battery packs.

For me, I find PHEV like the RAV4 the most likely to "convert" me. I like being able to carry 200 miles of range in a 5 gallon jug.

I'm going to keep my ICE vehicles as long as possible. My biggest concern is how much will gas cost as ICE cars fade away?

ZoomZ

If ICE cars fade away, that should reduce the cost of gas. Supply/demand?

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FL 4Motion

PHEV is the real bridge tech to tide us over for the next 10-15 years until battery tech advances to the point ice isn’t needed anymore.

Battery tech should get better, ie smalller lighter packaging, runs cooler, holds recharges better without wearing out as fast, faster recharges like ice refueling stops, even better range, etc.

Graphene tech may help with this iiirc and there’ll be advances we don’t even anticipate as well. Ice cars sucked for the first few decades let’s not forget, but we don’t still prefer to ride horses...

Gas prices should stay relatively unimpacted for the near future, esp as long as PHEVs are abundant. After that, it’s not so much a price issue imo, but a where the hell can I get gas since no one sells it anymore issue.

The power grid needs major updating to handle this tho. We’ve got a decade to sink about a trillion into our grid to prepare for this. It’s a really good idea to upgrade it regardless since it’s a national security issue so we’d be killing two birds with one stone so to speak.

FL 4Motion

See above, I think longer term it means no place to get gas anymore. “Gas stations” will be super fast recharge stations at that point most likely.

Rusty

I retired from the power generation industry. I can tell you this. IF 10% of the cars on the road now was electric. Our grid could not handle it right now. California would be in even bigger trouble. Their grid is already on shaky ground. They don't have enough generation capacity for the extra load. As they have to buy electric from out of state now. Combine that with the blackouts from the fires.

The power companies have been trying to up grade the grid for years with new power lines. But people not want the power lines close to them. So the power lines are being built.

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FL 4Motion

It needs to happen yesterday, first world countries don’t have rolling blackouts, sh1thole countries do.

If it’s electric vehicles that get the federal and state governments to finally get off their azzes and upgrade the national grid, then good, shoulda been started 20 years ago.

RicerX

It seems only anyone in power generation truly understands this. My pops is a lifelong nuclear power guy. I truly believe nuclear is the only feasible macro solution to meet our power needs while minimally impacting the environment.

Rural America and heavy industry is where I feel Hydrogen Fuel Cells have a place.

Right now gas is cheap. Post-COVID, we'll see an increase in demand and an increase in price that will eventually normalize, but gas will not get less expensive with widespread adoption of electric/alternative fuel vehicles. Production volume will decrease while demand seen from rural areas will remain, which at best will result in prices staying the same or slightly increasing. My bet is increasing. When we see electric vehicles take over, gas will become so expensive that it will price people into electric vehicles.

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