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FPenvy 02-19-2017 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 3617821)
Yeah but there was only one model year and Stillen didn't get a VQ37VHR until months after the G came out. Stillen got the VR at pre-production and they would have had 2+ years with the VR before the Z comes out. Not 9 months like the 370. That's a huge difference from last gen.



Also fast Intentions had their exhaust for the VR done and tested already so I'm already set when the Z comes out if it's good and I get that instead of the gtr.

Volk Z 02-26-2017 01:39 PM

I went and saw a Q60 today.. I noticed underneath that the rear doesn't have multi link suspension anymore... I wonder if this will transfer to the Z.

chubbs 02-26-2017 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3617967)
Also fast Intentions had their exhaust for the VR done and tested already so I'm already set when the Z comes out if it's good and I get that instead of the gtr.

Let's just hope it's easy to turn off the fake engine sound when you install an aftermarket exhaust because, sadly, I reckon the new Z may have it :(

Ape Factory 02-26-2017 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Volk Z (Post 3620682)
I went and saw a Q60 today.. I noticed underneath that the rear doesn't have multi link suspension anymore... I wonder if this will transfer to the Z.

Pretty sure the main difference is the spring is coil over damper instead of outboard like it is now. Everything else is the same afik. The front suspension is identical.

Volk Z 02-26-2017 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ape Factory (Post 3620702)
Pretty sure the main difference is the spring is cool over damper instead of outboard like it is now. Everything else is the same afik. The front suspension is identical.

The rear is basically the same as the front where the springand strut are one piece vs multi link. I'm going to test drive one tomorrow)

Ape Factory 02-26-2017 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Volk Z (Post 3620704)
The rear is basically the same as the front where the springand strut are one piece vs multi link. I'm going to test drive one tomorrow)

The multi-link refers to multiple "links" which make up the suspension design. The only difference is the rear setup is now true-type, coil over damper. Has nothing to do with multilink. Those are separate components.

It's still going to have a traction, camber and mid link like the current car does. Those are the components that make up the "multilink". It's just missing the outboard spring because it's on the damper now.

Edit: Take a look at the Infiniti website and look up the rear suspension specs. This is what it'll say: Independent, multi-link with coil springs over Dual Flow Path® shock absorbers, stabilizer bar[*]

People don't realize this is the same chassis as the G37 with a few modified stampings. They just managed to void the car of any steering feel, exhaust sound and soul.

Volk Z 02-26-2017 09:50 PM

For sure. I meant no perch for the separate spring. True coilover. :)

xcomms 02-28-2017 11:59 AM

Article.... 300Z this Autumn
 
Cool.... Can't wait to see what it looks like. Seen random images online but not sure if any are actually legit...

Next Nissan Z: Breaking Its Cover This Autumn? – NSEAVoice

kenchan 02-28-2017 12:45 PM

Not dis shittt again..

Silverstone 02-28-2017 12:46 PM

It's just another speculative article. Everyone here already knows that:
A. Nissan is working on the next Z.
B. The motor choice is undecided.
C. It'll look different.

kenchan 02-28-2017 12:48 PM

D. It will come with a stupid AT

Redglare 02-28-2017 12:56 PM

E. Many of us won't buy it if it only comes with 'D.stupid AT'

it will push a lot of people to other options with a MT.

onzedge 02-28-2017 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 3621482)
D. It will come with a stupid AT

:icon14:

Rusty 02-28-2017 07:37 PM

1 Attachment(s)
:D

ChaseZ 02-28-2017 07:40 PM

Dude they saw you coming a mile away. Put your wallet back in your pocket, that IS the old 300 :icon17:
http://nseavoice.com/wp-content/uplo...zx-660x400.jpg

Z-Girl 12 02-28-2017 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 3621479)
Not dis shittt again..

You are a nut!:shakes head:

Ape Factory 03-03-2017 11:37 AM

So this looks interesting and fits in with the new Z 500hp Nismo version. I find the current Q60RS to be tepid. I could get into this version.
This is Infiniti's idea of a 500bhp Q60 with F1 tech | Top Gear

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/j...psxumwanpb.jpg

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/j...psr4kconbw.jpg

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/j...psmgfv4qto.jpg

God-Speed 03-03-2017 12:02 PM

Looks very interesting and promising. However, I won't believe anything until I see it in person. :tup:

Kzonts 03-03-2017 12:14 PM

https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/...7/53400637.jpg

Ape Factory 03-03-2017 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by God-Speed (Post 3622882)
Looks very interesting and promising. However, I won't believe anything until I see it in person. :tup:

I'm with you on that. I mean is is the Q60 Black Sport or "Q60BS". We've been burned before. :stirthepot:

SgtGoldy 03-03-2017 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Ape Factory (Post 3622875)

ONLY 500HP?? If youre gonna make something look that aggressive... you better be putting out more than just 500.

Amsyed84 03-03-2017 12:43 PM

That is allot I would rather buy a preowned GTR

carlitos_370z 03-03-2017 01:11 PM

:drool: now that looks fcking great!

Volk Z 03-03-2017 01:15 PM

That's legit! Let's use that for the nismo Z35 and drop the extra weight the Q has. I love the rear diffuser

Chuck33079 03-03-2017 01:19 PM

I'll take one. Hold the wing on mine, please.

AestheticCM1 03-03-2017 01:24 PM

Nice looking boat.

Magic Bus 03-03-2017 02:21 PM

$75K-80K? Looks nice, I could live with it :tup:

Dwight Frye 03-03-2017 04:42 PM

I am sick of the front end styling that seems so prevalent these days with ugly cow catcher grills and scoops. And the rear looks hideous as well including the boy-racer wing. Pep Boys called Nissan's designers and wants their plastic glue on parts back.
But I like the 500 hp part. Fire the designers and hire someone who went to art school and knows what restraint in design means.

Too6Z 03-03-2017 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dwight Frye (Post 3623013)
I am sick of the front end styling that seems so prevalent these days with ugly cow catcher grills and scoops. And the rear looks hideous as well including the boy-racer wing. Pep Boys called Nissan's designers and wants their plastic glue on parts back.
But I like the 500 hp part. Fire the designers and hire someone who went to art school and knows what restraint in design means.

I couldn't agree more. Feels like they're trying way too hard.

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chubbs 03-03-2017 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dwight Frye (Post 3623013)
I am sick of the front end styling that seems so prevalent these days with ugly cow catcher grills and scoops. And the rear looks hideous as well including the boy-racer wing. Pep Boys called Nissan's designers and wants their plastic glue on parts back.
But I like the 500 hp part. Fire the designers and hire someone who went to art school and knows what restraint in design means.

Absolutely agree about the rear, but I like the aggressive front end, with big holes.

UNKNOWN_370 03-03-2017 05:27 PM

I could definitely rock that.


That's supposed to be the same engine for the 500HP Z right?

Tick64 03-03-2017 07:20 PM

I hope so.

Spooler 03-03-2017 09:40 PM

They have to do something with that catfish front grille. RUGGLY

Ape Factory 03-03-2017 09:57 PM

Guessing the Black sport would come in about 60K given the RS is 53K base. That's assuming it has a new transmission. If it's the same 7-speed, figure on less than 60K. Right now they can't give the new Q60RS away and they've actually stopped production in Japan.

It's all vaporware at this point regardless. If you read the article, the KERS part of it doesn't even exist yet. Frankly, I don't understand why they just don't enlarge the snails slightly. No reason it couldn't produce 500hp with minimal lag with nothing more than a turbo swap. Guess it's easier to pass emissions while adding 100hp at the same time.

Redglare 03-03-2017 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Ape Factory (Post 3623113)
Guessing the Black sport would come in about 60K given the RS is 53K base. That's assuming it has a new transmission. If it's the same 7-speed, figure on less than 60K. Right now they can't give the new Q60RS away and they've actually stopped production in Japan.

It's all vaporware at this point regardless. If you read the article, the KERS part of it doesn't even exist yet. Frankly, I don't understand why they just don't enlarge the snails slightly. No reason it couldn't produce 500hp with minimal lag with nothing more than a turbo swap. Guess it's easier to pass emissions while adding 100hp at the same time.


they are hiking way too far up-market, again that's why the Q60RS is doing poorly,
53k base for an RS opens up the germans for those who want refinement and speed, opens up the Vette who just want pure speed, the dated 7AT as the only option is only doing harm, could have at least thrown a 6MT in there as an alternative.


http://dailysunknoxville.com/2018-in...t-rs/920011779

Ape Factory 03-03-2017 11:16 PM

It's also doing poorly because despite having 400hp, it's tepid. I just read the article you posted and no need to even compare it to the TT RS. Hell, a regular S3 or TT-S will outrun it quite easily. Numb steering (Audi has that too), no limited slip, no edge, maxed out turbos, average handling and 3800 plus pounds. I find my current ride to be far more stimulating and exciting than the RS, despite having 50 less hp and far less torque.

It does pair up well to the non-M and non-S cars but that ain't saying much these days. You can still option out a Q60RS and come in well under the competition and have 100 extra hp to boot. Still, it's only a 13 second car in the 1/4 mile and instrumented tests are nowhere to be found. Personally, I blame Carlos. That dude has done nothing but milk the brand for every last penny. It's like Vegas. Looks great but behind the scenes, it's all a facade.

chubbs 03-04-2017 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Ape Factory (Post 3622875)
So this looks interesting and fits in with the new Z 500hp Nismo version. I find the current Q60RS to be tepid. I could get into this version.
This is Infiniti's idea of a 500bhp Q60 with F1 tech | Top Gear

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/j...psxumwanpb.jpg

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/j...psr4kconbw.jpg


I've just realised what this is. It's a Honda Civic TypeR, on steroids. Not for me, I'm sorry to say.

UNKNOWN_370 03-04-2017 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Ape Factory (Post 3623128)
It's also doing poorly because despite having 400hp, it's tepid. I just read the article you posted and no need to even compare it to the TT RS. Hell, a regular S3 or TT-S will outrun it quite easily. Numb steering (Audi has that too), no limited slip, no edge, maxed out turbos, average handling and 3800 plus pounds. I find my current ride to be far more stimulating and exciting than the RS, despite having 50 less hp and far less torque.

It does pair up well to the non-M and non-S cars but that ain't saying much these days. You can still option out a Q60RS and come in well under the competition and have 100 extra hp to boot. Still, it's only a 13 second car in the 1/4 mile and instrumented tests are nowhere to be found. Personally, I blame Carlos. That dude has done nothing but milk the brand for every last penny. It's like Vegas. Looks great but behind the scenes, it's all a facade.

Are the turbos really maxed out? So you're the next Z won't be much of a tuner without coughing up major cash on new snails???

Zatanna Z 03-05-2017 01:37 PM

Isn't all this stuff about the new Z35 practically just rumors? I don't think Nissan themselves have released anything right?

Ape Factory 03-05-2017 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 3623181)
Are the turbos really maxed out? So you're the next Z won't be much of a tuner without coughing up major cash on new snails???

They are indeed. Stillen did a brief on it and referenced the compressor maps showing how upping the boost gets them well out of their efficiency range. All the gains are going to come from other efficiencies aka exhaust. And not everyone can run test pipes, nor should they. So you have that option and tuning. I know there are some Silver S models (SS for short!) which had decent gains with bolt on mods and a tune but a cat-back exhaust, by itself, is netting around 15hp. It's almost the same as the current platform. Little gains for big bucks.

I predict most Red Sports (RS) will maybe see around 440whp with all the bolt-ons and a tune. Not bad but I think 500hp is out of the question (safely).

Link:
https://blog.stillen.com/2016/12/to-...30ddtt-turbos/

Edit: The new Z is at least two years away so I wouldn't suggest things one way or another as they could change or "upgrade" the turbos between now and then. I think it's unlikely, given Nissan's snail pace for evolution and propensity to reuse old parts, they'll be any different than what's on the Infinitis. The SS turbos are the same as the RS but the RS has an optical sensor allowing the turbo to be spun faster and closer to it's limit.


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