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brucelidat 09-08-2016 02:38 PM

3800+ lbs, 200-300 more than I was hoping for...

NISMO IX 09-08-2016 03:01 PM

hopefully the striped down nimble Z version is quite a bit lighter...

UNKNOWN_370 09-08-2016 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by brucelidat (Post 3549938)
3800+ lbs, 200-300 more than I was hoping for...


2017 Infiniti Q60 Coupe Models | Infiniti USA

Please show me where you saw those specs. On this page weight is still blank. Those sound like AWD numbers to me... the awd g37 was 3900lbs

Actually the last gen car in coupe for was 3,834lbs. In AWD

RWD was 3,633lbs.

brucelidat 09-08-2016 06:22 PM

2017 Infiniti Q60 Coupe Models | Infiniti USA

Select the Red Sport 400 and scroll down to dimensions. curb weight = 3862.

There was no curb weight listed the last time I checked either, but it's there now.

brucelidat 09-08-2016 06:25 PM

Guess that's similar to what the G weighed so I should have expected as much.

UNKNOWN_370 09-08-2016 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by brucelidat (Post 3550044)
Guess that's similar to what the G weighed so I should have expected as much.


There goes the 3,400lbs they were touting as a concept. If the Z stays on the same platform? It will probably gain 100lbs as well.

All I know is.... if Nissan don't show and prove? I'm buying Murican

UNKNOWN_370 09-08-2016 06:36 PM

Camaro ZL 1 here I come.

SiPnPiZ 09-08-2016 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirk McGurck (Post 3547502)
7sp manual would be awesome. Let's face it, no one goes 55 on the highway.

they all do in Oregon :(

FPenvy 09-08-2016 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 3550048)
There goes the 3,400lbs they were touting as a concept. If the Z stays on the same platform? It will probably gain 100lbs as well.



All I know is.... if Nissan don't show and prove? I'm buying Murican



Yea but a Z at 3400lbs and 400hp with a very easy bump to 400whp with just cbe and secondary down pipe from FI it could be sexy.

I mean a z51 vette has 450bhp and weighs 3450lbs stock soooo

brucelidat 09-08-2016 08:33 PM

I wanted a backseat, but 3862lbs.....

MagmaRed370z 09-08-2016 09:04 PM

A little bit on the heavy side but still, 100+- pounds more than the G37 at 400 hp is not bad.

brucelidat 09-09-2016 01:56 AM

Spec'ed out a m2, about the same price as the q60 similarly spec'ed out. M2 makes similar trq and about 45 less whp, but weighs 400 lbs less. BMW;s aren't really my thing, though. I wonder how much insurance would cost for each.

Cyber370 09-09-2016 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by brucelidat (Post 3550194)
Spec'ed out a m2, about the same price as the q60 similarly spec'ed out. M2 makes similar trq and about 45 less whp, but weighs 400 lbs less. BMW;s aren't really my thing, though. I wonder how much insurance would cost for each.



BMW?? But then you'd have to learn to drive like an a$$hole. You'd have to learn how to not use your flashers, how to cut people off, how to tailgate, how to park taking two spaces or in handicap zones, etc., etc. ......LOL.

Zeee German cars are not my thing either.


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Dirk McGurck 09-09-2016 06:50 AM

There are these two Bimmer drivers at my work complex. Both of them blow the same stop sign and cut me off repeatedly. I really want them to die.

njobe89 09-09-2016 07:17 AM

i guess i should be a bmw driver then -_-

FPenvy 09-09-2016 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by brucelidat (Post 3550194)
Spec'ed out a m2, about the same price as the q60 similarly spec'ed out. M2 makes similar trq and about 45 less whp, but weighs 400 lbs less. BMW;s aren't really my thing, though. I wonder how much insurance would cost for each.



M2 msrp is only 51k loaded out I think the Q 400 is that without options.

If you put both in front of me and said pick one is struggle and probably end up with the m2 based on looks and weight.

Jordo! 09-09-2016 08:31 AM

I had hoped for a lighter version (while not really expecting it), but it's all relative. Power:weight is key, and the ratio still seems to favor the driver, so I'm not complaining (other than wanting more details NOW!).

If the Q/G remains the platform, given the latest specs, I think I (and maybe many of us) will not be disappointed.

Current weight plus a few kilos more + vastly more power is unlikely to result in a bad sports car, physical steering column or not.

I'm ready for it -- bring it on!

UNKNOWN_370 09-09-2016 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3550091)
Yea but a Z at 3400lbs and 400hp with a very easy bump to 400whp with just cbe and secondary down pipe from FI it could be sexy.

I mean a z51 vette has 450bhp and weighs 3450lbs stock soooo


Nissan better show n prove. I'm starting to think like everyone else. They dropped the ball with DAS and EPAS, And now they're bloated too?

The only thing that has slight faith for the Z is that in 2011, Nissan said they'd switch platforms on the Z. The Z, Juke n next gen GTR were supposed to be on a brand new platform. And they supposedly were going to make two more vehicles in Nissan for a total of 5 cars on the new Z platform. That's the Z family people confuse with there actually being 5 Z cars that are crossovers n sedans etc... It's not actual Z cars.they're supposed to all come from the same chassis

The FM platform would become proprietary to ONLY Infiniti. Supposedly, they were going to build the FM platform with lighter steel making the Q60 coupe lighter. About 3400-3500 lbs in rwd coupe form. Turns out their anemic 4 banger is 100lbs heavier than the vq.... fvckin really? So wack. All the reason why I've yet to pull a trigger on a BMW.

So if this is the birth of what was said in 2011? I've little faith the Z will be worth buying if it remains over 3400lbs. Which the Z has gained about 50lbs from 2009 even though we have no no substantial updates.

Chevy lost 300lbs and has that crazy 10 speed auto.line lock feature, drm, and their EPS has a smidgen of feedback, though nothing to write home about.

Mustang promised 400lbs of weight loss. Smh.

Slouches who don't deliver what they spew don't deserve cash....

Fvck em.

UNKNOWN_370 09-09-2016 12:47 PM

I'll keep my Z34 and get Jun camshafts instead, then buy a camaro

NISMO IX 09-09-2016 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 3550539)
I'll keep my Z34 and get Jun camshafts instead, then buy a camaro

:thumbsdown::stirthepot::hello:

brucelidat 09-09-2016 01:30 PM

I am okay with a ~3300lb Z with the new 400hp engine if it retains the handling/fun drive aspect and has better NVH. Look at the m2, that thing weighs ~3450lbs and it's supposed to be a return to true M roots. It's tough for modern cars to be really light without being expensive or being small ( I am assuming a similar-sized z35) If the z35 is actually smaller, that's a different story.

NISMO IX 09-09-2016 01:52 PM

Just a heads up, there was another thread started:

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...ys-nissan.html

Firebase99 09-09-2016 01:55 PM

I think the writing is on the wall boys. We need to be honest with ourselves. If there was a Z35 on the immediate horizon, there would be some news. The Z is dead.

JARblue 09-09-2016 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Firebase99 (Post 3550577)
I think the writing is on the wall boys. We need to be honest with ourselves. If there was a Z35 on the immediate horizon, there would be some news. The Z is dead.

Well that is certainly a pessimistic stretch: there's not one that we know about coming soon, so there will never ever ever be one again :rolleyes:

Firebase99 09-09-2016 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3550582)
Well that is certainly a pessimistic stretch: there's not one that we know about coming soon, so there will never ever ever be one again :rolleyes:


Think Z32 to Z33 process....

BoneZ 09-09-2016 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by njobe89 (Post 3550304)
i guess i should be a bmw driver then -_-

That's just a GA driver.

Jordo! 09-11-2016 12:43 AM

I dunno about all that -- what do they mean by "new".

New platform (as promised/threatened) -- almost definitely not. A Z based on the current Q? I don't see why not. How different is the chassis? It's got the same 7AT right?

Different body panels, tighter suspension, etc. and you've got a "new" Z.

Could be worse. Beats that weird crossover thing or the idx.

I know no one here cross shopping Camaros or Mustangs wants to think about this, but despite the flagging sales for the FT-86, there a few new smaller sports cars out now: The new MX-5 RT is pretty sweet (but will need boost) as is the new sporty Fiat spider (very hot car -- just saw one the other day).

Sports cars will be available for sale -- the amount of muscle may require a lot of aftermarket tho, unless you want to go 'Merican.

I drove a new Mustang -- I liked my Z better -- but its a good car. I'm sure the latest Camaro is good too -- I still just don't really trust their reliability... but, they are definitely getting and looking better than their predecessors.

That said, if no new Z ever emerges (or the one that does is a disappointment), I am much more likely to buy (and boost) a new MX-5 than get an American Muscle car as my next purchase.

UNKNOWN_370 09-11-2016 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Firebase99 (Post 3550577)
I think the writing is on the wall boys. We need to be honest with ourselves. If there was a Z35 on the immediate horizon, there would be some news. The Z is dead.

Historically, Nissan doesn't hype the Z

It just comes out one year after sketches. The sketches are there. It's been 2 months

EZT 09-11-2016 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Firebase99 (Post 3550577)
I think the writing is on the wall boys. We need to be honest with ourselves. If there was a Z35 on the immediate horizon, there would be some news. The Z is dead.

We just got the Q series, the Z tends to follow that line up. Just because they aren't openly advertising anything or even discussing it. They don't have to until they want to.

edk370 09-11-2016 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 3551218)
Historically, Nissan doesn't hype the Z

It just comes out one year after sketches. The sketches are there. It's been 2 months

True. But the Z34 was revealed in Nov 2008, and released Feb 2009. So they let you know 4 - 6 months in advance. That's just my train of thought.

ThaeMaestro 09-11-2016 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 3550048)
There goes the 3,400lbs they were touting as a concept. If the Z stays on the same platform? It will probably gain 100lbs as well.

All I know is.... if Nissan don't show and prove? I'm buying Murican

Thats what i was trying to say! Concepts are just that. They are these nice ideas but actually making an affordable production car that good is hard. Like i said before, I'm just going to build my 370 nice and slow. I think 3100lbs with full human comfort and close to 400bhp would be way more car then i could ever ask for. Sure ill never beat a corvette or be as light as a brz but thats an awesome middle ground in my opinion! Long live the 370z!!!

laserbluemini 09-11-2016 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaeMaestro (Post 3551337)
I think 3100lbs with full human comfort and close to 400bhp would be way more car then i could ever ask for. Sure ill never beat a corvette or be as light as a brz but thats an awesome middle ground in my opinion! Long live the 370z!!!


same. for me i just duno what to do with 400bhp. so it is a great pption to have diff engines available. but for now my 370z is already plenty good. :)

i like jow the new q has option for a turbo four banger. it will work well where i live. i feel like i dun even get to use half of my 3.7 right now. lol



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Jordo! 09-12-2016 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 3551218)
Historically, Nissan doesn't hype the Z

It just comes out one year after sketches. The sketches are there. It's been 2 months

I know you were hoping/predicting one that would be several hundred lbs lighter (which would be awesome!), but I think them continuing to bring out a slightly "leaner/meaner" Q and badging it as a Z is looking much more likely.

If the new Z is around 3500 lbs and 400 bhp, that sounds fine by me.

The current Z at its most bloated is like right around that, but with 80 less at the crank than what would (presumably) be an option for the new one. I really don't think it will suck if they keep the price/weight difference ratio between the next Z and the red sport RWD 3.0 Q60 as they had between the previous model Z and G.

Nixin 09-12-2016 07:15 AM

Simply rebadging a Q to a Z will not cut it. Z's have always had their own specific style and performance level. I for one would never consider another Z if this was the case.

MagmaRed370z 09-12-2016 09:39 AM

As we know, in the past with the G and Z, the Z is always lighter, faster, than the G. Hopefully this will be the case with the new Z35.

Dirk McGurck 09-12-2016 09:42 AM

Whats the weight on a Z34TT with a full interior?

ThaeMaestro 09-12-2016 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirk McGurck (Post 3551517)
Whats the weight on a Z34TT with a full interior?

Ive heard an extra 80lbs or so for the tt kit. But i didnt look it up. . .

Jordo! 09-12-2016 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Nixin (Post 3551486)
Simply rebadging a Q to a Z will not cut it. Z's have always had their own specific style and performance level. I for one would never consider another Z if this was the case.

Same chassis, different body panels, better suspension, different tune...

NISMO IX 09-12-2016 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 3551615)
Same chassis, different body panels, better suspension, different tune...

Same Chassis is fine but the rest is what makes a Z a Z and separate from the BIGboy luxury G or Q. I may :stirthepot: a little by saying this but the G or Q has always been made to have slightly more room in the interior to fit the Merican Arse.

Jordo! 09-12-2016 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by NISMO IX (Post 3551636)
Same Chassis is fine but the rest is what makes a Z a Z and separate from the BIGboy luxury G or Q. I may :stirthepot: a little by saying this but the G or Q has always been made to have slightly more room in the interior to fit the Merican Arse.

All I'm saying is: If there is a new Infiniti sport coupe on the market (there is) that is typically rolled out a year before the Z, which is also effectively the "sister" car for the Z, then it is very likely there will be a new Z that will have all the power + better handling etc. as that particular Infiniti coupe.

In short: It's a-comin' :driving:


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