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B&W_Evader 06-06-2016 02:34 PM

LOL great video. Hope they don't ruin th Z like that! We'll take the 400hp but they can keep the rest of the BS off.

FPenvy 06-06-2016 03:51 PM

Oh god I saw that video earlier and that car looked awful trying to go hard on the track.

I'm going with the others and agreeing the Z won't be like that. For one the sport will have a lsd and I would hope they leave out that stupid direct adaptive steering bs

fantaZ 06-06-2016 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 3492272)
Yeah... I was kind of bummed to see that if the Q60 isn't coming out until 2017, then we're looking at 2018 for the Z35 at soonest.

Speaking of 2017, although it would need FI to really haul ass, has anyone taken a look at this sweet new iteration of the MX-5?

http://www.the370z.com/members/jordo...-side-view.jpg

Now there's a "baby Z" :icon17:

I want to see one in red and also black... :yum:

:roflpuke2:

Dirk McGurck 06-06-2016 06:27 PM

I wouldn't compare the sedan to the upcoming Z coupe if it happens. Smaller, lighter, better weight distribution, different suspension tuning. Engine and rear diff are probably the only things they will actually share.

UNKNOWN_370 06-06-2016 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schellingr (Post 3493312)
Review of the 2016 Infiniti Q50 400HP Sports Sedan. Is this how the future Z35 is going to drive?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM2OMA1pnh0

Infiniti stated way back in 2012 that the Q series will be separating in philosophy from the Z they will no longer share as much as they used to as infmginiti will try to expand in technology and the Z is supposed to expand in driver performance. So don't expect DAS in the Z, thank God... EPAS is what scares me though.... let's stay hydraulic... please!!!! I'll take the gas penalty. Can't be worse than the 15.6mpg I get combined... lol

UNKNOWN_370 06-06-2016 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirk McGurck (Post 3493454)
I wouldn't compare the sedan to the upcoming Z coupe if it happens. Smaller, lighter, better weight distribution, different suspension tuning. Engine and rear diff are probably the only things they will actually share.

And the AKEBONO brakes. But the Z should have better pads...:tup:

Jordo! 06-06-2016 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schellingr (Post 3493312)
Review of the 2016 Infiniti Q50 400HP Sports Sedan. Is this how the future Z35 is going to drive?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM2OMA1pnh0

Not a bad review -- thanks for sharing.

I'm cool with losing the steering column so long as they get it dialed in right.

It will probably be a tunable feature too, so you can get the inputs exactly as you want -- that's potentially pretty slick, actually.

http://www.the370z.com/members/jordo...74-q-turbo.jpg

Otherwise, based on the specs, I would expect the Z35 to weigh about as much as the Z34.

As to cost, whatever the difference is in cost between a G/Q and Z now is probably going to stay about the same.

As a point of reference: 2015 Q50 starting pricce = $37,150; 2015 370Z starting price = $29,990.

So, I think a Z is roughly 20% cheaper? If so, expect a similarly equipped Z35 to go for just under 40K.

I'm in, and if it sucks I'll buy that little Miata fastback and put a big blower on it :tup:

FPenvy 06-06-2016 08:39 PM

On the weight topic I'm curious because they listed this as a 13.0 1/4 mile at almost 3900lbs with an open diff. Imagine a 3300 lb car with a lsd and that engine. Could be something mean like a 12.7 or less stock 1/4 time

Jordo! 06-06-2016 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3493505)
On the weight topic I'm curious because they listed this as a 13.0 1/4 mile at almost 3900lbs with an open diff. Imagine a 3300 lb car with a lsd and that engine. Could be something mean like a 12.7 or less stock 1/4 time

I think, again, you will probably find a proportionate difference in performance and weight between current Q/G and Z to be on par.

Point of reference:
2015 Q50 Curb weight = 3,574 lbs to 3,849 lbs
2015 370 Z Curb weight = 3,278 lbs to 3,510 lbs

So, we're in the same ball park, I think, on price, weight, and performance differences.

But, yeah, even with the viscous LSD, it would haul ass from a dead stop.

More importantly, twin turbos means lots of power potential with tuning :yum:

MagmaRed370z 06-06-2016 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3493505)
On the weight topic I'm curious because they listed this as a 13.0 1/4 mile at almost 3900lbs with an open diff. Imagine a 3300 lb car with a lsd and that engine. Could be something mean like a 12.7 or less stock 1/4 time

I agree on this. Seriously Nissan, post at least a little teaser.

FPenvy 06-06-2016 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 3493509)
I think, again, you will probably find a proportionate difference in performance and weight between current Q/G and Z to be on par.



Point of reference:

2015 Q50 Curb weight = 3,574 lbs to 3,849 lbs

2015 370 Z Curb weight = 3,278 lbs to 3,510 lbs



So, we're in the same ball park, I think, on price, weight, and performance differences.



But, yeah, even with the viscous LSD, it would haul ass from a dead stop.



More importantly, twin turbos means lots of power potential with tuning :yum:



I agree. Free up the exhaust and better intakes could net big gains on a boosted setup. Look at the gtr for example. I takes, exhaust, and tune nets 80-100whp typically.

Same thing on a Z could be nice.

RicerX 06-07-2016 07:50 AM

What Nissan will do (if they do anything) is slap the 300hp version of the engine in there and save the 400hp for a NISMO edition (if they even do that).

As a Q50 owner, I'm perplexed as to why the Red Sport, a model that is supposed to be the BMW M-Sport of the lineup, comes with **** tires and an open diff. That is some weak *** ****.

On top of that, the Q50 uses an R190 diff, and I have no idea who even makes an LSD for that, considering Nissan has used the R200 for the last 20 years worth of RWD sedans and coupes.

Spooler 06-07-2016 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RicerX (Post 3493665)
What Nissan will do (if they do anything) is slap the 300hp version of the engine in there and save the 400hp for a NISMO edition (if they even do that).

As a Q50 owner, I'm perplexed as to why the Red Sport, a model that is supposed to be the BMW M-Sport of the lineup, comes with **** tires and an open diff. That is some weak *** ****.

On top of that, the Q50 uses an R190 diff, and I have no idea who even makes an LSD for that, considering Nissan has used the R200 for the last 20 years worth of RWD sedans and coupes.

Datsun/Nissan has been using he R200 since 1975, maybe earlier.

MagmaRed370z 06-07-2016 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RicerX (Post 3493665)
What Nissan will do (if they do anything) is slap the 300hp version of the engine in there and save the 400hp for a NISMO edition (if they even do that)

That would turn me away pretty fast.:wtf2:

UNKNOWN_370 06-07-2016 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 3493509)
I think, again, you will probably find a proportionate difference in performance and weight between current Q/G and Z to be on par.

Point of reference:
2015 Q50 Curb weight = 3,574 lbs to 3,849 lbs
2015 370 Z Curb weight = 3,278 lbs to 3,510 lbs

So, we're in the same ball park, I think, on price, weight, and performance differences.

But, yeah, even with the viscous LSD, it would haul ass from a dead stop.

More importantly, twin turbos means lots of power potential with tuning :yum:

Yeah but that's the sedan. Before you start comparing that you gotta look at the coupe which is about 100-150lbs lighter.
Then subtract about 300-400lbs when comparing to a Z.
Anything over 3,650 is the AWD And doesn't pertain to us either

UNKNOWN_370 06-07-2016 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RicerX (Post 3493665)
What Nissan will do (if they do anything) is slap the 300hp version of the engine in there and save the 400hp for a NISMO edition (if they even do that).

As a Q50 owner, I'm perplexed as to why the Red Sport, a model that is supposed to be the BMW M-Sport of the lineup, comes with **** tires and an open diff. That is some weak *** ****.

On top of that, the Q50 uses an R190 diff, and I have no idea who even makes an LSD for that, considering Nissan has used the R200 for the last 20 years worth of RWD sedans and coupes.

I dunno about that. There's rumor of an ipl version to arise with 450hp? It's all rumor now but??? You never know. That could be the $60k Z?

FPenvy 06-07-2016 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 3493877)
I dunno about that. There's rumor of an ipl version to arise with 450hp? It's all rumor now but??? You never know. That could be the $60k Z?



Yes. back a bit when news on the engine was being released they mentioned that an ipl version with more hp was possible. I can't remember if it was said that its was 450 or our speculation but that would seem to be on point with a bit of a tuned version.

Dirk McGurck 06-08-2016 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schellingr (Post 3493860)
That would turn me away pretty fast.:wtf2:

Why? It will be easy to modify the 300HP to more than the 400HP, and probably for less money.

ramoszx12r 06-08-2016 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirk McGurck (Post 3494174)
Why? It will be easy to modify the 300HP to more than the 400HP, and probably for less money.

For more HP yes but HP = $$$$

Chuck33079 06-08-2016 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ramoszx12r (Post 3494213)
For more HP yes but HP = $$$$

Not on a turbo motor. Most factory FI motors make a lot of power with basic bolt ons and a tune.

Dirk McGurck 06-08-2016 08:44 AM

Like FP said, TPs, larger diameter exhaust, new intakes, and probably switching to an air-to-air intercooler, plus a tune, will easily put you over 400HP. My Mazdaspeed had all of that, with an off the shelf tune that bumped it 70HP.

Plus if they are turbo, Cobb will probably start supporting the platform since they already tune GT-Rs. So off the shelf tuning and support and probably easier to find a tuner than the current VQ.

UNKNOWN_370 06-08-2016 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirk McGurck (Post 3494253)
Like FP said, TPs, larger diameter exhaust, new intakes, and probably switching to an air-to-air intercooler, plus a tune, will easily put you over 400HP. My Mazdaspeed had all of that, with an off the shelf tune that bumped it 70HP.

Plus if they are turbo, Cobb will probably start supporting the platform since they already tune GT-Rs. So off the shelf tuning and support and probably easier to find a tuner than the current VQ.

Oh word!! And COBB is right here in Plano. I'll be there first customer. Lol 😁

TerribleONE 06-08-2016 09:39 AM

Shouldn't waste your time with COBB their OTS maps for the R35 are garbage.

A dyno tune would be a much better choice.

UNKNOWN_370 06-08-2016 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TerribleONE (Post 3494293)
Shouldn't waste your time with COBB their OTS maps for the R35 are garbage.

A dyno tune would be a much better choice.

If you don't mind me asking? What makes Cobb tunes garbage specifically for the R35?

ramoszx12r 06-08-2016 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 3494222)
Not on a turbo motor. Most factory FI motors make a lot of power with basic bolt ons and a tune.

My point is that you still have to by part or tune it and that = $$$$

Dirk McGurck 06-08-2016 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TerribleONE (Post 3494293)
Shouldn't waste your time with COBB their OTS maps for the R35 are garbage.

A dyno tune would be a much better choice.

I used an OTS tune for a little while and then used an e-Tuner. Both are way cheaper than a garage/dyno tune, and are quite safe for the motor. I was saving up for a real dyno tune, but could have fun while I waited.

Chuck33079 06-08-2016 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ramoszx12r (Post 3494355)
My point is that you still have to by part or tune it and that = $$$$

How is that any different than what 95% of Z owners here do already? At least on a factory FI motor you get 75+ whp for the same parts that only get you 25 on a NA motor?

TerribleONE 06-08-2016 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 3494324)
If you don't mind me asking? What makes Cobb tunes garbage specifically for the R35?

I personally think almost all their tunes are garbage but the R35 would be the most similar platform. In the case of the R35 you spend a good chunk of money and don't get anywhere near as good of results as you do with a Ecutek tune.

Davey 06-08-2016 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TerribleONE (Post 3494374)
I personally think almost all their tunes are garbage but the R35 would be the most similar platform. In the case of the R35 you spend a good chunk of money and don't get anywhere near as good of results as you do with a Ecutek tune.

Maybe I'm misinterpreting your post, but are you saying COBB tunes are "garbage" because the results from their canned tune are inferior to having your car tuned by a professional EcuTek tuner on a dyno?

/Angelo350Z/ 06-08-2016 04:22 PM

So ... the Q60 isn't coming out until next year? Come on Infiniti!!!

FPenvy 06-08-2016 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by /Angelo350Z/ (Post 3494540)
So ... the Q60 isn't coming out until next year? Come on Infiniti!!!



No one cares about that. We just want the next Z haha

MagmaRed370z 06-08-2016 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3494663)
No one cares about that. We just want the next Z haha

:tup:

markesc 06-08-2016 11:24 PM

Whoops wrong thread....

Dirk McGurck 06-09-2016 06:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davey (Post 3494517)
Maybe I'm misinterpreting your post, but are you saying COBB tunes are "garbage" because the results from their canned tune are inferior to having your car tuned by a professional EcuTek tuner on a dyno?

That's what it sounds like he's saying. That the free tunes you can download and swap to your heart's content are inferior to a specific tune to your car.

370zEric 06-09-2016 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3494663)
No one cares about that. We just want the next Z haha


:iagree:

UNKNOWN_370 06-09-2016 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3494663)
No one cares about that. We just want the next Z haha

In reality, it kind of matters because it's going to take 12 months for the Z to come out after the Q.

It makes no sense that the Q incoming out in 2017. If history serves correct it will be here late October!!!

Considering there's no 2017 Z. I believe my guesstimate is correct

FPenvy 06-09-2016 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 3495144)
In reality, it kind of matters because it's going to take 12 months for the Z to come out after the Q.

It makes no sense that the Q incoming out in 2017. If history serves correct it will be here late October!!!

Considering there's no 2017 Z. I believe my guesstimate is correct



Well let's hope they announce something soon. I'd like to stick with a Z and hopefully with that twin turbo goodness under the hood

:yum:

/Angelo350Z/ 06-09-2016 05:19 PM

Based on what we know about the Q60, the next Z will have at least a 400 hp variant. This is good news, I just hope the Z35 is as sexy and timeless as the Z32.

MagmaRed370z 06-09-2016 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 3495144)
In reality, it kind of matters because it's going to take 12 months for the Z to come out after the Q.

It makes no sense that the Q incoming out in 2017. If history serves correct it will be here late October!!!

Considering there's no 2017 Z. I believe my guesstimate is correct


Canada already has the 2017 370Z on their website

night blade 06-10-2016 07:01 AM

Canada got the 2016 first too, with so little sales up here I wonder why?


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