The Z through all its generations never had a dud like the Mazda RX8; the late 90s to early 2000s Mustangs (even the 4.6 wasn't all that then); the Eclipse after they did away with the turbo motor; and lots of other cars that were supposed to carry the torch in subsequent generations....The only car that never missed, and always won praise, is the Mazda Miata. Critics love this car, through all its generations.

Back on topic. I think the Z35 will get the 3.0 V6 twin turbo. I mean think about it. How can Nissan let diehard Z fans down. I think Nissan will make it as quick as a stock V8 Mustang or Camaro...and the rest is up to you to tune.....I think the Z35 will be a pleasant surprise. That's why I say save up for it so you can get it when it comes out. It will be somewhat more expensive, but worth it.

....I think it'll target the BMW M2 for competition. We will see.

Sad there's no info on a 370Z successor :shakes head:

My head is telling me R32 GTR but my heart is telling me to wait it out for a Z35 with the TT V6 engine if there is gonna be one......

I'm likely doing one of two things -

1) Keeping my 2015 Q50, paying it off, and buying an R33 or R34 to toss into the garage.
2) If Infiniti adds a dual clutch and LSD to the Red Sport at the full mid-cycle refresh of the Q50, I'm just buying that and keeping it forever. The Q50 is a solid vehicle as long as you skip the electric steering. I have always been a manual purist, but I haven't had an automatic since my Chevy Cavalier, and I gotta say, the Jatco 7AT in the G/Z/Q50 is a pretty decent transmission.

A 400hp Red Sport with a dual clutch... NOM NOM.

The only thing that makes sense for them to do in the grand scheme of things when you consider pricing and market conditions is build a smaller/lighter Z, toss in the 300hp version of the motor, and leave the M2 to a performance variant of the upcoming Q60. The Q60 is lower, lighter, and shorter than the outgoing G37/Q60 coupe - it won't be as small as the M2, but it will be close.

Think about it - why not rock out a $35k Z that could take a few bits from Cobb and be at 400hp for less than $40k and roast the Mustang and Camaro? Build the car with a solid foundation and the tuner crowd that loves the Z will come out in droves and buy it.

The Z is already a slow seller at $40k. Magically pricing it at $60k with the same power output as cars that cost $40k will kill it, no matter how good the chassis or driving experience is. At least... not on a Nissan nameplate. (I'm looking at you, Porsche Cayman - somehow, you sell doing what you do). The Nissan (or Infiniti brand, as of yet) don't have the level of prestige to make that work. The GT-R is a tad of an anomaly here, but not an extreme one.

I agree it is a great drivers' car. Pricing is not so great for the level of drivers car you get. The Miata (for most people) is arguably a better drivers' car for $10k less. People would also argue the BRZ is a better drivers' car than the Z... for $10k less. On the other side of that, many find it difficult to argue the level of driver's car you get in a Vette for less than $10k more than a NISMO.

Sure a Z is customizable to your liking. You can also modify a Camry to your liking. However, as far as performance goes? The Z is NOT cost effective to modify... for anything. Performance, cosmetics, nothing. It may be the most expensive Z for customization, ever.

I completely understand what the Z is about, however. Most, if not all, people here do. However, I have had 3 Z34s myself, and have been around Z cars for nearly 20 years... the Z34 is in a weird place compared to every Z before it as far as what it's trying to do and where it fits.

The S30 hung with a Vette for less than half the money. The Z32 twin turbo hung with a Vette for less money. The Z33 was a massive success despite what you may think about its styling - it sold in droves and helped reawaken the affordable sports car arena (they could be had in the $20k range new), because during that time period we saw a new S2000, RX-8, and the sales of those vehicles motivated GM and Ford to rethink the Camaro and Mustang, and those cars motivated Dodge to recreate the Challenger. It was a VERY relevant car.

Things have changed, and car buyers have changed. Z owners have changed. The benchmark for what a sports car should do for the money has changed, just as it has for the last 47 years of the Z's existence. You say some of us don't understand what a Z is all about. I say you don't understand what the Z is meant to be about and what it should become. I'm glad you're happy with your purchase, but I think rather than interpreting this discussion as misunderstanding of what a Z is about, I think you're demonstrating a misunderstanding of the point.

The Z is a great car. All of them (save the awkward late 70s/early 80s years... this was also a time when shag carpet and doorway beads were fashionable). I worry Nissan doesn't have the balls to evolve this car the way it needs to be evolved to stay relevant in the market after this iteration.

I didn't see who wrote this first. I should've known. Well said bruh!!!

:iagree: :driving: :tiphat:

I'd have to agree, although I love my 16 Nismo. But as far as bang for the buck, the Z right now is really not as competitive.

I was willing to pay the "premium" because I always wanted a Z and finally decided to go all out on one, loved the style of the new Nismo, and I didn't want to go Bodykit and too many aftermarket parts (mainly cuz I don't know what I'm doing).

As far as what I paid, I've been quite happy. Non-stop compliments, really fun to drive, and just feels great. But, again... premium.

For the price, you could get a lot more tech and relatively more performance with other competitors. If I were into muscle cars I would've considered the Camaro 2SS for the price range. Or for more luxury, comfort and tech I'd consider the Lexus RC 350 F Sport.

The Z really is a relatively niche market nowadays. Regardless, I also like the unique factor, at least in my area. Very rarely do I see another 370z, and even more rare is a 15/16 Nismo. If I happen to drive next to a Camaro, Lexus RC (or even RC F), Mustang GT, BRZ, etc., the spectators will usually be glued to my car instead, lol.

We have our reasons for loving the Z, and it's all valid. But lets also be realistic... it's really far from being competitive given all the other performance and tech that's available nowadays. Especially the Tech... you know what I mean when comparing interior and tech options compared to others. Yes, the Z is much more raw and feels great, but Screen controls and Backup cam really should be closer to standard options, and more modernized meters wouldn't hurt.

But with that said, performance shouldn't just be looked at with HP, as many tend to do. There are turns in the roads, and on tracks, and the Z's handling is absolutely phenomenal when it comes to that, and should be considered in the comparison.

To your last line about Z handling. Absolutely. Everyone compares the Z to other cars. I could care less about the other cars. I just want another Z with the enhancements Nissan implied in 2012...Period.

Can you refresh my memory and advise on the "upgrades/enhancements" that Nissan implied in 2012? I don't recall.

They implied a car is closer to the original Z in weight, design and handling. A car that's more versatile with a bigger trunk for better grand touring capability while maintaining a true sports car feel. They said they were looking into offering different engine options to cater to more customers around and offering a benchmark in modern technology. That's what was said in Jay Leno's garage.

Yeah, that was until the bean counters saw that video and probably chastised shiro nakamura for speaking out of line lol

a lot has changed since that video though...

The iDX got cancelled. The FRS didn't do that well (fair for me to say, I DD one). I've been out of the G/Z scene for awhile (sold my 04 back in 2010ish). But I am gonna take a wild guess and say the Z will be akin to this...?...

2017 Infiniti Q60 Luxury Coupe | Infiniti USA

I sincerely hope it doesn't take too many styling cues from this because it isn't my cup of tea. But the engine sounds like a natural progression... V6TT to make it relateable to the GTR at 400hp, but not encroaching on Nissan's halo car prowess...

The one thing I hope that they take away from the iDX + FRS + oldschool Datsun "anniversary" idea is lighter weight. I drift now and I realize how heavy my G was and what a big difference that makes. Straight line is great but I hope that the handling is drastically improved.

I would hope that 400hp v6 is our high end engine. I believe the grip Z is the vehicle where you can find future Z styling cues from. People are speculating the "Z" will be a lineup of cars. A 2 Seater, 4 Seater, roadster and crossover. I only have interest in the two Seater.

It is said there will be a 4ChL turbo option. I'm only interested in a 400/450hp Nismo.

It's said it will have a Targa model too. Kool.

It is said it will have a starting price that's lower. Probably on the 4 cyl to compete with FRS.

They said the new gen Z35 will be a departure from being the Q series brother. Maybe Z and GTR will become more closely related.

They said they have no plans of KILLING THE Z or GT-R lineup. Ever!!!

We've been getting a lot of information. Kind of like how Mr. Myagi taught Daniel-San Karate that appeared to have a Kung Fu philosophy. Lol. He didn't know he was learning till Mr Myagi said... "Show me, sand the floor", "show me paint the fence" But Danielsan needed to learn Karate in 2 months. And we are itching to drive Nissan's next iteration.

For this Z34, I was married and trying to be a good husband. Only able to be a part time enthusiast. I'm single now n I'm dying for a Z35 to immerse myself into the culture again ABD hit up all the events. I love Nissan Z's Rx 7's n Supra's. I'd love to see them come back. Even the Mitsubishi conquest was sick and was the inception to modern day Tuning. It deserves its spot as the founder of computerized turbo technology. People are quick to forget that kool ride.

I just want Nissan to show us some respect though. 2017 could at least have a soft touch dash n door uppers with the foglight as standard. And I'd be like. OK, it's something. Just like the Nismo was.... but the engine in the nismo isn't deserving of its price by $4,000.

I'm expecting the 300hp tt engine in the normal z maybe tuned up slightly and the 400hp in the Nismo. I am hoping this 400hp nismo is about the same price as the nismo now and has more storage so I can use it for work occasionally (have a big luggage sized case of equipment I carry to jobs). Oh yeah, and I hope the Nismo looks nice and not too over the top boy racer. I like the current one a lot.

With Nissan marketing pushing the 370z as the ultimate drifting car, its clear that the q60 platform and its drive by wire system isn't up to what makes a Z. Maybe next year.

... So you've driven a car that's not out yet? Please share some details!

I'm also going to assume you mean steer by wire. Your Z is drive by wire, just like most vehicles. The steer by wire system is optional, and by all means, if anyone ever drives the new Q50 or Q60, skip that garbage. It's not ready for prime time just yet.

You're stretching the dollars a little.

A Miata starts at $25K, the FR-S $26K, and the Z at 30K, rounding up. And, the Corvette starts at $55K, which is $13K more than the NISMO.

I don't know about you, but I'm not that comfortable throwing the word "only" in front of $13K when I'm talking about relatively useless depreciating assets like 2-seat cars that probably can't function as anything other than a weekend toy very effectively. Not that you did, but, point being, $10K is a lot of ******* money to most people.

Does a Z "do" 4K more than an FR-S? Or $5K more than a Miata?

Does a Z do everything you need for $23K less than a Corvette?

Is the NISMO worth $10K more than a base Z, even though it isn't actually faster?

These are subjective questions, but my answer is "Yes."

Further, consider the Cayman, which costs a little more than $20K more than the 370Z and has a slower 0-60 time. How can Porsche justify that kind of performance to dollar ratio? Why wouldn't you just buy a Corvette instead, for the same money? I guess *you* would, but I would not.

The Z needs to be improved, but it's still a good value vs. the Camaro and Mustang if you want a car that feels like a sports car and not a fat tub of V8 boat for your $30K (I've driven the new Mustang and it's great but it's no Z), given that you don't really care that you're a few 10ths slower in the quarter mile. It's still a good value compared to the Corvette and Cayman because it provides some of the experience of a powerful sports car for tens of thousands less. It's still a good value compared to the Miata and FR-S because it provides some of the experience of an inexpensive driver-focused car without being underpowered.

I'm not really sure what more you could expect for $30K.

I would like a Z like the current Z with some enhancements like improved brake cooling, no fuel starvation, less intrusive Vehicle Stability Assistance mode, a Torsen diff, without having to resort to the aftermarket.

It could stand to be lighter, too.

I agree with every philosophy you speak of concerning the Z. In my opinion, the Z is a better performance value than people give it credit for. And I guess maybe at $30k. It is a good value.

But the real issue here are other aspects of the Z. Remember, us O.G.'s were haggling for the $30k before 2013 when Nissan decided to go back to 09 pricing. We saw nearly $33,000 as a base price.And up top the Nismo could lose about $3,000.

What I think the real issue here is at 3 and 6 years Nissan should have done more to update , materials and the gauge cowel to get smoothed out in a refresh. They had opportunities to add the foglight, upgrade the stereo with Bluetooth and USB, much earlier in the game. They could have tuned the exhaust. Also been more proactive with the CSC failure and a couple of other situations.

As sophomoric as this may sound.... Unfortunately, in a consumer driven society, car companies create the competitive edge with there advertising and engineering claims. It's what sells sports cars. Nissan is playing in a very competitive segment. We'd like to see updates if we're not going to get a new sports car in the traditional 6 year life cycle.

Another thing is. Even though we get Mr. Myagi news from nissan. We don't get the type of news that keeps the consumer excited about the brand.
Loyalists and enthusiasts want to be tantalized. They want to know their car company is working hard at that next level driving experience. Nissan only does that for GT-R and leaf owners. Even Juke owners get more enthusiast attention than we do. Not cool.

This kind of sways people to seeing the Z worse than it is. Because everyone else's car companies engage with them on any financial level. Chevy, Ford, BMW, Dodge, Mercedes, etc. All are creating excitement and buzz and they all have cars in the same price arena as our Z's.

Old heads are ready for the next level. We've been in a Z34 a Looooong Time.

^exactly... I am hoping with a new Z platform, Nissan can bring some excitement back to the brand. When Scion dropped the FRS, they treated first few of us extremely well. Even gave us hotel rooms and passes to SEMA. With the likes of Chris Forsberg and other Nissan Racing drivers, you would think that they would push to "leak" some tidbits, but all I hear is that we aren't getting the iDX anymore (bummer as I thought the NISMO version had potential)... I even heard rumors that it was based on a 240SX wheelbase (I need a drift car Nissan are you listening???) haha...

In any case. If they add weight, which let's be honest, is generally speaking a trend nowadays... the 400hp mark for the standard model doesn't seem to be a big stretch to me. Maybe they will have a 250-300hp "base" model but if they don't bring 400hp to the table, who are they competing with then? Rumors say the new Genesis will even have more than 300hp+...

Please. Insiders. Anyone. ... there has to be SOME info around? I am from the GTR crowd so I know that the GTR is set for the next gen and it is in development (the R35 platform is maxed out). One would think the Z would have more hub-hub since it is a presumably better selling / more accessible car....?....

Most cars add weight with redesigns because the companies make them larger. There are still many Japanese cars that stayed the same weight or lost weight from one model year to the next, so the Z doesn't have to put on weight.

Also, the Genesis already has more than 300hp. It could stand to lose weight, but it isn't really aimed at the Z, it's marched better with the piggy Gs.

Exactly. The affordable car should be getting the buzz..

The G37 is about 200lbs heavier than the Q50 so I'm not too worried about weight.

But our crowd is definitely the most unsupported enthusiast crowd, by the company it supports. Even Hyundai gets involved with the Gencoupe crowd.

Based on everything else that's been indicated by Nissan, and also keeping the past decade or so of the car's re-brith in mind, here is what to expect:

1. It will be debuted in 2018

2. It will weigh about the same and cost about the same as current offering.

3. It will come it at least three trims (not counting targa or verts): Regular, Sport, Nismo. A fourth tier, Nismo Turbo is possible, assuming it isn't simply the only "Nismo" badged option, which is quite likely.

4. Expect overall performance across the board to be a bit better than it's advertised for the Q60, in a proportionate degree to the current difference.

Naturally, the boosted option will have lots and lots of aftermarket potential. If you plan to boost, just buy that one and lump the extra cost up front, rather than boosting the N/A motor -- less blown engines.

5. Without starting a whole debate over "sports car purity" or whatever, expect all tiers to have a 7-AT option, and all but the base to have a (viscous) LSD.

Is the Z really going to have different engine trim? I thought all were supposed to have the V6 turbo from the Q60.

To those stating that the Z will have different engine trim, where did you guys get your sources from?

Weight is going down. That's for sure.

Both GT-R and Z are getting dramatic weight reduction. I'm expecting 200lbs on the v6 turbo.... 300lbs on the turbo 4.

Yes multiple engines were already confirmed by Nissan as the Q60 has 2 engines and the 6 has two different tunes.

Twin turbo options and 400+hp is probably on the menu for the Z35 Nismo. While I havent thrashed the drive by wire steering from the Q50 Red.. IMO... It looks like the platform is there.. It has promise... Just needs a lot of tuning over the next 6+ months to deliver... https://youtu.be/fM2OMA1pnh0

43-45k for a 400hp tt Nismo that has better NVH without adding weight (and enough storage for my work equipment) and I am in. Make it so Nissan before an electric car and it's green-ness and instant torque tempt me.

Why do I keep seeing people saying that the nismo will be the 400hp and the regular Z only 300. That would be the most retarded thing Nissan could ever do. Imo the Z will be 400 and the nismo will be a tuned version at 430-450hp

:iagree: with you for once lol

Maybe a bit, but not quite as much as you think, especially if we're looking at it from the overall sports car package.

If you consider the full package of amenities, the Miata Club at $28,600 has roughly the exact equipment as a Sport Tech Z at $37,070 (except more updated) - nearly $10k. I don't know many people that want the base equipment in either car (which is VERY base in the Z for today's standards - a radio with 2 speakers and a USB port as a prime example.)

As far as the BRZ, I refreshed myself a bit on Subaru's site, and I'll concede there. I've made the argument that the BRZ is borderline worthless compared to the Z in the past, and I'll stand by that rather than trying to use it to back my case in this particular argument. **** that car.

On the other end of the argument, the Vette at $55,400 comes with Brembos and Bose along with the updated infotainment that you'd expect in a car at that price, and it takes a $45,490 Nismo Tech to get closest, package for package.

Not trying to muddy your point - your approach is fine. Just clarifying my approach.

That is an exceptionally fair point to the front end of the argument. For the NISMO/Vette side of it, not so much. If you're in the market for a $45k NISMO, I don't see how you don't at least consider pricing a Vette, especially since there are incentives out there on the Stingrays. (RANT: I don't know that I spend $41,990 on a NISMO and don't at least think about a Tech trim so I can get "tech" that comes standard in a $19k Sentra - this might be a different converstation if Nissan didn't just throw in the tech at the $41k pricing.)
I know you could work a dealer on the price of a new Z, but at that level, why wouldn't you consider the Vette? Sure there's budgeting a buyer needs to consider, but that's where the Z is running into trouble on the top end of its offerings- it's too close to a piece of the market where the majority of its buyers care less about a $10k price difference at this level of car. My point is that the Z doesn't have what it takes to play in that space and retain a significant portion of the market.

Finally, if you're shopping $50k sports cars and you're whining about $10k, go home. You're drunk. Maybe you need to stay around $30k. Or maybe you don't need a sports car.

See bolded text. However, here, you're admitting that a base Z is nearly worthless to consider in the scope of this argument. Allow me to elaborate...

You make too many assumptions. It's about the package. The entire argument is about the package of each car.

1) Because Porsche. Neither Nissan nor Chevrolet compare to the overall fit and finish you get with a car that comes from a company that has never even dabbled in things like economy cars or full sized trucks. Porsche makes sports cars. The end. The Corvette is nice... the Z is nice... but if you're a sports car connoisseur, it's a Porsche.

2) If all there is to look at is the 0-60 time, I'm surprised there aren't more muscle cars around here. The Cayman does everything else better than the Z at the base model level (even when compared to the sport Z). It's lighter and boasts nearly a tenth of a g better in lateral acceleration (0.99 vs 1.06). It's faster through the slalom at a couple MPH as well. Equip the PDK transmission, and that takes care of the 0-60 deficiency. Like I always preach... it's the PACKAGE. Do we even need to talk about fit and finish here? The NISMO's interior barely knocks on the door of a base Cayman. I imagine visibility and seating position are things to consider in a performance car... both of which are better in the Cayman.

Plus, you'd compare a base Z, complete with open differential, sissy brakes, and terrible tires to a base Cayman, which has none of those things? Let's not reach too far here.

A 2016 Camaro SS (at the same price of a Sport Tech Z) boasts better braking, better acceleration, better roadholding, and better tech for the same money. Regardless of the "feel" of the car, these are the numbers, and the numbers don't lie. A 4.0s 0-60, a 12.4s 1/4mi, and a 0.97g roadholding. Stock. Out of a car that outweighs the Z by 400lbs. $37k for $37k.

Even if we stick to your beloved $30k figure, the new V6 Camaro is damned close to the Z, and you only concede on the acceleration and braking, but still retain equal handling ratings while gaining better fuel economy.

This used to be a car that handled like a houseboat and got rocked by a 350Z. That's called evolving your product. Case in point - if the Z has to take a couple years off to get retooled the way the Camaro got retooled, sign me up. Otherwise, the value for dollar of the Z has slipped in the wake of the evolving competition.

1) Those two motors exist with Infiniti. Wouldn't have to retool anything. Focus on reducing weight. Makes business sense.

2) If those two motors came through with the Z brand and followed similar pricing structure of the 370 (starting $30k, premium model $42k), you can have your bargain sports car at the bottom and premium, high performance version at the top, and both of which would be extremely compelling alternatives to the current offering of sports cars in the same pricing category.

It makes complete sense, especially when you consider the torque curve of each motor - both of those motors provide increased performance potential stock-for-stock when compared to the VQ37.

This would be nice, but we're trying to be realistic with our expectations. Nissan already has the 300hp tuned engine and if they want to offer a less expensive option, they would probably use it to not compete against the higher output options. I find it very hard to believe Nissan will release a 400hp Z in the mid 30s. Iw would really detract from the 400hp q60. We see the Z differently than Nissan does. I don't think in their mind, the Z needs to be substantially or at all more powerful than the q(g)50/60. The Z to them is the downmarket more enthusiast version.

I hope they don't release a 300hp in the mid 30k range. Although the same engine with different tune minus the speed density add ons to the turbos is the same as the 400hp engine. At this point I'm just over this random speculation. Not one of us knows anything for sure just hopes and dreams.

I have no problem paying whatever they charge of its 400hp TT decent weight 3300 or less with good interior/options and they don't rape the exterior look.

Hell my sticker of my 2009 was 44 or 45k. Couple more thousand for TT and updated I'm cool with that.

Oh, and I want them to fix the hi-beam dash light with the new Z.

Given the right specs, weight, transmission, power and technology. I would. That's what matters.

The thread title is really old and just people throwing out a number. There is no info that suggests that the z35 will be 60k so people can stop talking about that price now.

My prediction

2.0t. $27,000
3.0tt 300/ $33,000
3.0tt 400/ $39,000
NISMO 450/$50,000

Optioned out roping near $60,000.

3.0TT please , Thank you.