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Eclipz 12-16-2015 10:43 PM
The turbos are cute. It won't be long 'till the mods come. On car and driver they talked about "a small electric motor to the valve timing to increase throttle response". So VVEL will carry on? Also I hope they wont replace the hydraulic steering with electric for the new Z.

BrandonT 12-16-2015 11:18 PM
So anyone have similar pics of the Merc engine? I'd really be curious if this is in fact a Nissan or Merc motor after all the rumours.

Z_ealot 12-16-2015 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by BrandonT (Post 3369853)
So anyone have similar pics of the Merc engine? I'd really be curious if this is in fact a Nissan or Merc motor after all the rumours.
Pretty sure someone already posted the specs on the engine and yes it is a purely nissan developed engine based off of the gt-r's vr38dett

ramoszx12r 12-16-2015 11:56 PM
They are very reliable. I am on my 2nd one, and very happy.


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Originally Posted by brucelidat (Post 3369745)
Are Infinitis not reliable? I expect them to be about as reliable as Nissans for obvious reasons.

sunkist350z 12-17-2015 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by kay.zee (Post 3369683)
Nissan has said they want the z to go more fuel efficient and lightweight . That usually means a turbo 4 cylinder... There is no new z confirmed the Infiniti is pretty low in reliability and resale value. They do have great lease deals though

There is a Z confirmed, I posted a link couple of weeks ago on this thread that Nissan is committed to making a new z even more so than the mighty gtr.

sunkist350z 12-17-2015 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by ramoszx12r (Post 3369871)
They are very reliable. I am on my 2nd one, and very happy.
:iagree:

I have a 2001 infiniti i30 with 207k miles running strong, only use synthetic oil.

black_sedan 12-17-2015 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by kay.zee (Post 3369683)
Nissan has said they want the z to go more fuel efficient and lightweight . That usually means a turbo 4 cylinder... There is no new z confirmed the Infiniti is pretty low in reliability and resale value. They do have great lease deals though
Uh, the Infiniti G35, G37, and Q50 have always had the same engines as the Z cars. How would they be any less reliable than any of the Z cars?

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Originally Posted by BrandonT (Post 3369853)
So anyone have similar pics of the Merc engine? I'd really be curious if this is in fact a Nissan or Merc motor after all the rumours.
The V6 TT is a Nissan motor. There is also a 2.0 Turbo 4cyl that Infiniti is using for the Q30 and Base model Q50 that is MB sourced engine. The QX30 is the twin of the Mercedes Benz GLA which is where the 2.0 turbo is sourced from.

UNKNOWN_370 12-17-2015 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by RicerX (Post 3369167)
I think that is a byproduct benefit (deterring people from removing them) - the emissions benefit is likely the primary motive for the move from an engineering standpoint - the cats warm up almost instantaneously, which heavily benefits cold-start emissions (some of the worst in the scope of emissions).

That torque band would be dreamy on the current Z34, much less a revised and more efficient Z35 platform.


There's no way they can't make the Z35 perform right in the pack of the new GM Alpha-platformed cars, the new Mustang GT, or the current Caymans with the potential of this motor.
If the 2500LB GRIP Z chassis is coupified and sports car reinforced? It won't be 2,500lb anymore. Being that the Grip Z had an AWD in it at the weight. I see it possible the Z will be right under 3,000lbs and 400HP. Unstoppabl!! . Nissan may actually be giving us the car we want?

The muscle cars would once again play catch up... if they follow tradition like Mercedes and keep there sports cars with Hydraulic steering. I see the next Z winning awards and being the best Z since the early 70's.

Nissan, do it right! But we know like with the Z34, as when I fed the troll in the "iwantanicecar/jungle Z posts... Nissan brought groundbreaking technology and firsts in the Z. Looks like we'll be seeing this trend....

PRAYING FOR EXTREMELY LOW COG....

Dry sump lubrication anyone? Please Nissan, drop it like its hot!!! 50" ride height is the magic number.

FPenvy 12-17-2015 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by kay.zee (Post 3369683)
Nissan has said they want the z to go more fuel efficient and lightweight . That usually means a turbo 4 cylinder... There is no new z confirmed the Infiniti is pretty low in reliability and resale value. They do have great lease deals though
....................:shakes head:

FPenvy 12-17-2015 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by BrandonT (Post 3369853)
So anyone have similar pics of the Merc engine? I'd really be curious if this is in fact a Nissan or Merc motor after all the rumours.
the 4 banger is said that its a merc engine. Nissan teamed up with merc a while back on engine projects so does it really matter who makes it? its 400hp boosted engine for the Z I could care less what name is on the block lol

EzDz 12-17-2015 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 3369962)
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If the 2500LB GRIP Z chassis is coupified and sports car reinforced? It won't be 2,500lb anymore. Being that the Grip Z had an AWD in it at the weight. I see it possible the Z will be right under 3,000lbs and 400HP. Unstoppabl!! . Nissan may actually be giving us the car we want?

The muscle cars would once again play catch up... if they follow tradition like Mercedes and keep there sports cars with Hydraulic steering. I see the next Z winning awards and being the best Z since the early 70's.

Nissan, do it right! But we know like with the Z34, as when I fed the troll in the "iwantanicecar/jungle Z posts... Nissan brought groundbreaking technology and firsts in the Z. Looks like we'll be seeing this trend....

PRAYING FOR EXTREMELY LOW COG....

Dry sump lubrication anyone? Please Nissan, drop it like its hot!!! 50" ride height is the magic number.

People seem to think nissan is competing with muscle, nissan is jdm and going to compete with euro/jdm not a camaro my :twocents:

xfrgtr 12-17-2015 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by kay.zee (Post 3369683)
Nissan has said they want the z to go more fuel efficient and lightweight . That usually means a turbo 4 cylinder... There is no new z confirmed the Infiniti is pretty low in reliability and resale value. They do have great lease deals though
yep,according to nissan,smaller engine,lightweight,cheaper,mainstream.
400hp,no way.
We'll see.....

Z_ealot 12-17-2015 11:46 AM
Did people just ignore the fact that the new v6tt engine is lighter than the vq37 its replacing? Seems to me that would fall in line with their goal of lighter weight for the next Z

FPenvy 12-17-2015 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Z_ealot (Post 3370169)
Did people just ignore the fact that the new v6tt engine is lighter than the vq37 its replacing? Seems to me that would fall in line with their goal of lighter weight for the next Z
yes and no.

the block is lighter.

the new block with TT system is heavier by I believe 19lbs than the 3.7VQ

Z_ealot 12-17-2015 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3370171)
yes and no.

the block is lighter.

the new block with TT system is heavier by I believe 19lbs than the 3.7VQ
I could not for the life of me find an exact weight on the vq37 fully assembled....what's the weight on the vq37 anyway?

FPenvy 12-17-2015 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Z_ealot (Post 3370178)
I could not for the life of me find an exact weight on the vq37 fully assembled....what's the weight on the vq37 anyway?
The core structure of the 3.0-liter V6 twin-turbo engine weighs 429.5 pounds (194.8 kg) – 39.1 pounds (14.1 kg) less than the engine it replaces. The new turbocharger and advanced intercooler (or CAC) system componentry adds just an extra 56.9 pounds (25.8 kg), for 486.3 pounds (220.6 kg) total.

429.5+39.1=468.6 for the 3.7 block for block im assuming.

triso07 12-17-2015 12:28 PM
Do we have a code name for this badboy yet aside from VR?

FPenvy 12-17-2015 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by triso07 (Post 3370206)
Do we have a code name for this badboy yet aside from VR?
VR30DETT

same as the GTR VR38DETT

jwick 12-17-2015 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3370216)
VR30DETT

same as the GTR VR38DETT
You mean we might actually get a VR with a real transmission?:stirthepot:

FPenvy 12-17-2015 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3370249)
You mean we might actually get a VR with a real transmission?:stirthepot:
a DCT? maybe? but that may cut into GT-R territory and at Nissan that's holy sacred ground.


:stirthepot:

MagmaRed370z 12-17-2015 01:10 PM
Nissan should just say something. Very very secretive.

I'll be very happy with Nissan saying something like this: "We will have a new Z35 making 400+HP. It will debut in 2017 in the INSERTNAME autoshow"

jwick 12-17-2015 01:15 PM
GT-R is overrated

theDreamer 12-17-2015 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3370253)
a DCT? maybe? but that may cut into GT-R territory and at Nissan that's holy sacred ground.


:stirthepot:
They were not even going to give the Infiniti concept (4 door) with the GTR engine a DCT, they shoved the 7AT in it, I doubt this car with get the DCT.

FPenvy 12-17-2015 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3370264)
GT-R is overrated
:gtfo2:

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 3370267)
They were not even going to give the Infiniti concept (4 door) with the GTR engine a DCT, they shoved the 7AT in it, I doubt this car with get the DCT.
yes I know. It was a joke based on him being a douche about me driving the 7AT lol

theDreamer 12-17-2015 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3370271)
:gtfo2:



yes I know. It was a joke based on him being a douche about me driving the 7AT lol
Well....you do drive a 7AT.....:wtf2:

FPenvy 12-17-2015 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 3370285)
Well....you do drive a 7AT.....:wtf2:
:gtfo2:

njobe89 12-17-2015 01:32 PM
:rofl2: :rofl2:

MagmaRed370z 12-17-2015 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 3370285)
Well....you do drive a 7AT.....:wtf2:
Oh no, not again.....:roflpuke2:

jwick 12-17-2015 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 3370285)
Well....you do drive a 7AT.....:wtf2:

Shame ain't it.

You got that car running again?

theDreamer 12-17-2015 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3370373)
You got that car running again?
:roflpuke2::roflpuke2::roflpuke2::roflpuke2::roflp uke2:

I do have the Silvia up & going, need to repair the headlight wiring for inspection since right now I cannot find all the wiring for the headlights so minor issue.

jwick 12-17-2015 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 3370388)
:roflpuke2::roflpuke2::roflpuke2::roflpuke2::roflp uke2:



I do have the Silvia up & going, need to repair the headlight wiring for inspection since right now I cannot find all the wiring for the headlights so minor issue.

Nice. Are you tuned for the compressor upgrade?

UNKNOWN_370 12-17-2015 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3370264)
GT-R is overrated

I think over rated is kinda strong I would agree to say it's out dated. With the architecture of current vehicles in existence. The GT-R is not visually competitive anymore. ESPECIALLY for the asking price.

jwick 12-17-2015 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 3370448)
I think over rated is kinda strong I would agree to say it's out dated. With the architecture of current vehicles in existence. The GT-R is not visually competitive anymore. ESPECIALLY for the asking price.

Anything I post about the GT-R is solely to **** with Presto.

UNKNOWN_370 12-17-2015 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by schellingr (Post 3370258)
Nissan should just say something. Very very secretive.

I'll be very happy with Nissan saying something like this: "We will have a new Z35 making 400+HP. It will debut in 2017 in the INSERTNAME autoshow"

You have read for subliminals with Nissan. Answers are in the IDX, grip Z, q 50, q60, Mercedes... & Renault news. You gotta just extract bits & pieces that make sense. The Z is a parts bin car when it comes to engine transmission. Usually chassis too but I think that's changing.

I think by next year we will see the new Z at least in pre-production.

theDreamer 12-18-2015 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3370417)
Nice. Are you tuned for the compressor upgrade?
No, my last tune was on the stage 1 SC & pulley, if/when I get the SC back it will be the same SC unit but will be putting a smaller pulley & e85. Hoping to run 10-12 PSI with e85 and go for 500whp.

NRTim 12-18-2015 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 3370458)

I think by next year we will see the new Z at least in pre-production.
A summer 2017 release for the next gen Z would be nice...or earlier the better

BrandonT 12-18-2015 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by black_sedan (Post 3369878)


The V6 TT is a Nissan motor.
How do you KNOW that? Manufacturer's are cagey about that stuff. You don't hear Mercedes saying its current TT V6 is derived from the Pentastar, but it is.

NRTim 12-18-2015 08:12 PM
Nissan's Future Z Car Could Be Cheaper Than The Current 370Z

Z_ealot 12-18-2015 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by BrandonT (Post 3371393)
How do you KNOW that? Manufacturer's are cagey about that stuff. You don't hear Mercedes saying its current TT V6 is derived from the Pentastar, but it is.
Why does it matter? The engine code alone of "VR" means it's in the same family as the GT-R's engine and even if the design of the engine is based on something else, nissan still put a lot of work into it to make it their own

BrandonT 12-18-2015 11:11 PM
I just like to know who did the work. Like knowing the history of the 428 Cobrajet. Not taking anything away from Nissan, and I'm no fanboy, I understand the globalized nature of auto manufacturing. But if something is good, I look to know who is responsible. And if there are issues you can find out by searching what the Mercedes owners are saying.

EDIT: the fact that you mention it being in the same family as the GTR proves my point, engine lineage is interesting to car lovers.


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