What is the best price?

clubin90 · 08-16-2009, 11:46 AM

I live in Scottsdale, Arizona and am very new to buying a car as I am 19 years old. I am going with my father to the dealership as the car will be under his name so I get get the lowest APR and then pay him monthly what I owe. I am going to purchase the 370z touring model with sports package and automatic transmission, no navigation. I am wondering what the best deal I could hope for or a great deal that would be respectable on both ends OTD tax title and license included. I plan on putting 15k down on the car and financing the rest over 60 months. Any suggestions. I have looked over invoice pricing but would like to know everyone's opinion. Any plans or suggestions as going about this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

theDreamer · 08-16-2009, 11:49 AM

Invoice price is what you should shoot for, tax/title/etc. will depend on state and dealerships. I am not sure what AZ tax rate is so work on invoice price for the car and then add in yourself the tax/title, be wary of anything over 100USD for a dealership "fee." I paid 50 at my dealership in Texas for their documentation fee but many places will lower the price and then try to throw out a 150+ dealer fee to make the money back.

frost · 08-16-2009, 12:10 PM

I dont know how experienced your dad is at this, but would google up some car-buying articles before you go. They will try to hit you with fees you don't need to pay, and other shenanigans you should know about. But basically, I see most people getting their cars here for $500 over invoice.

clubin90 · 08-16-2009, 12:21 PM

the sales tax in AZ is 8.5% i believe so could someone give me an OTD estimate as to what I should pay for this car. I see the invoice pricing would come to 35,724$ when I make a deal for the car including the sport package. would 39, 803 OTD or 40k be a great deal?

dad · 08-16-2009, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clubin90

the sales tax in AZ is 8.5% i believe so could someone give me an OTD estimate as to what I should pay for this car. I see the invoice pricing would come to 35,724$ when I make a deal for the car including the sport package. would 39, 803 OTD or 40k be a great deal?

This may help.
2009 Nissan 370Z Pricing and Information

Questions and hidden fees?

alvinmathew88 · 08-16-2009, 08:20 PM

Even with Taxes you shouldnt pay over 38k OTD.

clubin90 · 08-18-2009, 01:14 PM

really my dealer thnks i am somewhat crazy offering 38k OTD for a pearl white touring with sport because they have to ship it here. Any other comments?

FuszNissan · 08-18-2009, 01:17 PM

Where are they shipping it in from? Flatbed, trailer, driven?

clubin90 · 08-18-2009, 01:32 PM

This is the reply I got:

I appreciate the emails but it seems we are on a different page on pricing. The Z I sent you had an invoice price of $36,657. I have no problem selling it $300-$500 over invoice. However, I have to factor in shipping(unless you want miles on it) along with the sales tax of($2,993) so without plates and doc fee I'm already at $39,650. My figure of $41,802 OTD would be my best number.

Thanks for your time.

Here is the invoice he sent me:

Current Configuration
56319
2009 370Z} TOURING COUPE AUTO

QAB-G
PEARL WHITE , BLACK

Invoice MSRP
BASE $33,122 $35,760

IKP $148 $200
ILLUMINATED KICK

SPT $2,602 $3,000
SPORT PACKAGE

TMA $65 $95
CARPETED TRUNK MA

50S $0 $0
50 STATE EMISSION

Freight Charge $720 $720

Total $36,657 $39,775

I am somewhat confused concerning your $37,500 OTD figure as the invoice price is $36,657 plus tax,title and license. We would also have to physically look at your Acura to achieve an accurate trade value. Is there a time you could stop in for that? Please let me know your thoughts.

FuszNissan · 08-18-2009, 01:56 PM

1200.00 for plates and doc fee....lol he said doc(illegal) you can't charge a doc fee. You could be a D*ck and have some serious fun with this guy. There is a class action lawsuit going on for dealers charging a "Doc Fee"

fuct · 08-18-2009, 02:17 PM

go get em' Fusz!!

id tell him 40k OTD....

oh and give your dad i big ol' thanks!! I mean since your going to have to tell the insurance company a lil white lie that you are not the primary driver of the car because its technically your fathers Z.

clubin90 · 08-18-2009, 02:41 PM

hehe lol Maybe I will do something about the Doc fee should I shoot for 39-39.5k OTD for his pricing of the doc fee. Illegally lol! any htoughts on how i should handle this.

FuszNissan · 08-18-2009, 04:10 PM

Doc Fee is a legal process, and completion of this paperwork requires no skill beyond that possessed by an ordinary layman, so they have no right to leagally charge a "Doc Fee". Now they could call it something else and charge it. I love stirring the pot.

fuct · 08-18-2009, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FuszNissan

Doc Fee is a legal process, and completion of this paperwork requires no skill beyond that possessed by an ordinary layman, so they have no right to leagally charge a "Doc Fee". Now they could call it something else and charge it. I love stirring the pot.

screw stirring it, id piss in it! dont let them charge you for bs!

mikeyt750 · 08-18-2009, 07:01 PM

Ok, After being a member for just a few days and reading like crazy here is what's going on. I want a Graphite Nismo and have a dealer that says he will sell it for 38400 before T/T/T. I am trying to deal with another dealer right now with a White one. He says that 37424 is Invoice and that my offer for 37500 was a little crazy. What's the deal with this guy? Is he right? I Figured that it would be a good start seeing that someone got one for 37900 and I believe FUSZNISSAN said something like 37200 in another post. I don'twant to pay more than 38700 OTD. Is that not reasonable?

08-16-2009, 11:46 AM	#1 (permalink)
clubin90 Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 19 Drives: 2009 370z White MT Rep Power: 16	What is the best price? I live in Scottsdale, Arizona and am very new to buying a car as I am 19 years old. I am going with my father to the dealership as the car will be under his name so I get get the lowest APR and then pay him monthly what I owe. I am going to purchase the 370z touring model with sports package and automatic transmission, no navigation. I am wondering what the best deal I could hope for or a great deal that would be respectable on both ends OTD tax title and license included. I plan on putting 15k down on the car and financing the rest over 60 months. Any suggestions. I have looked over invoice pricing but would like to know everyone's opinion. Any plans or suggestions as going about this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

08-16-2009, 11:49 AM	#2 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4210	Invoice price is what you should shoot for, tax/title/etc. will depend on state and dealerships. I am not sure what AZ tax rate is so work on invoice price for the car and then add in yourself the tax/title, be wary of anything over 100USD for a dealership "fee." I paid 50 at my dealership in Texas for their documentation fee but many places will lower the price and then try to throw out a 150+ dealer fee to make the money back. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

08-16-2009, 12:21 PM	#4 (permalink)
clubin90 Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 19 Drives: 2009 370z White MT Rep Power: 16	the sales tax in AZ is 8.5% i believe so could someone give me an OTD estimate as to what I should pay for this car. I see the invoice pricing would come to 35,724$ when I make a deal for the car including the sport package. would 39, 803 OTD or 40k be a great deal? Last edited by clubin90; 08-16-2009 at 12:54 PM.

08-18-2009, 01:17 PM	#8 (permalink)
FuszNissan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: St. Louis Posts: 14,275 Drives: Pure Sex Rep Power: 541	Where are they shipping it in from? Flatbed, trailer, driven? __________________ Mods: Too Many to list! LouFuszNissan ZDAYZ 2012

08-18-2009, 01:56 PM	#10 (permalink)
FuszNissan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: St. Louis Posts: 14,275 Drives: Pure Sex Rep Power: 541	1200.00 for plates and doc fee....lol he said doc(illegal) you can't charge a doc fee. You could be a Dck and have some serious fun with this guy. There is a class action lawsuit going on for dealers charging a "Doc Fee" __________________ Mods:* Too Many to list! LouFuszNissan ZDAYZ 2012

08-16-2009, 12:10 PM	#3 (permalink)
frost Retired admin Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Winterfell Posts: 106,613 Drives: Your Wife Crazy Rep Power: 0	I dont know how experienced your dad is at this, but would google up some car-buying articles before you go. They will try to hit you with fees you don't need to pay, and other shenanigans you should know about. But basically, I see most people getting their cars here for $500 over invoice.

08-16-2009, 08:20 PM	#6 (permalink)
alvinmathew88 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Irving, TX Posts: 268 Drives: 97 Civic Ex Coupe Rep Power: 16	Even with Taxes you shouldnt pay over 38k OTD.

08-18-2009, 01:14 PM	#7 (permalink)
clubin90 Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 19 Drives: 2009 370z White MT Rep Power: 16	really my dealer thnks i am somewhat crazy offering 38k OTD for a pearl white touring with sport because they have to ship it here. Any other comments?

08-18-2009, 01:32 PM	#9 (permalink)
clubin90 Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 19 Drives: 2009 370z White MT Rep Power: 16	This is the reply I got: I appreciate the emails but it seems we are on a different page on pricing. The Z I sent you had an invoice price of $36,657. I have no problem selling it $300-$500 over invoice. However, I have to factor in shipping(unless you want miles on it) along with the sales tax of($2,993) so without plates and doc fee I'm already at $39,650. My figure of $41,802 OTD would be my best number. Thanks for your time. Here is the invoice he sent me: Current Configuration 56319 2009 370Z} TOURING COUPE AUTO QAB-G PEARL WHITE , BLACK Invoice MSRP BASE $33,122 $35,760 IKP $148 $200 ILLUMINATED KICK SPT $2,602 $3,000 SPORT PACKAGE TMA $65 $95 CARPETED TRUNK MA 50S $0 $0 50 STATE EMISSION Freight Charge $720 $720 Total $36,657 $39,775 I am somewhat confused concerning your $37,500 OTD figure as the invoice price is $36,657 plus tax,title and license. We would also have to physically look at your Acura to achieve an accurate trade value. Is there a time you could stop in for that? Please let me know your thoughts.

08-18-2009, 02:17 PM	#11 (permalink)
fuct A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Sugar Land Posts: 3,692 Drives: 97' Ranger :) Rep Power: 23	go get em' Fusz!! id tell him 40k OTD.... oh and give your dad i big ol' thanks!! I mean since your going to have to tell the insurance company a lil white lie that you are not the primary driver of the car because its technically your fathers Z. Last edited by fuct; 08-18-2009 at 02:35 PM.

08-18-2009, 02:41 PM	#12 (permalink)
clubin90 Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 19 Drives: 2009 370z White MT Rep Power: 16	hehe lol Maybe I will do something about the Doc fee should I shoot for 39-39.5k OTD for his pricing of the doc fee. Illegally lol! any htoughts on how i should handle this.

08-18-2009, 04:10 PM	#13 (permalink)
FuszNissan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: St. Louis Posts: 14,275 Drives: Pure Sex Rep Power: 541	Doc Fee is a legal process, and completion of this paperwork requires no skill beyond that possessed by an ordinary layman, so they have no right to leagally charge a "Doc Fee". Now they could call it something else and charge it. I love stirring the pot. __________________ Mods: Too Many to list! LouFuszNissan ZDAYZ 2012

08-18-2009, 07:01 PM	#15 (permalink)
mikeyt750 Base Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Jacksonville NC Posts: 29 Drives: 09 NISMO Rep Power: 15	Ok, After being a member for just a few days and reading like crazy here is what's going on. I want a Graphite Nismo and have a dealer that says he will sell it for 38400 before T/T/T. I am trying to deal with another dealer right now with a White one. He says that 37424 is Invoice and that my offer for 37500 was a little crazy. What's the deal with this guy? Is he right? I Figured that it would be a good start seeing that someone got one for 37900 and I believe FUSZNISSAN said something like 37200 in another post. I don'twant to pay more than 38700 OTD. Is that not reasonable?

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